Dominion Fertility vs. Shady Grove Fertility

Anonymous
Our experience with Dominion Fertility vs. Shady Grove Fertility

Having tried unsuccessfully for years to get pregnant, my wife and I began researching fertility clinics in the DC area. Our doctor recommended Dominion Fertility (DF). We scheduled a consultation, met with Dr. Gordon and were pleased with our visit. As a result, we decided to pursue treatments at DF. My wife was diagnosed almost immediately with PCOS. Someone as slender as my wife wouldn’t normally fall into the PCOS category, yet Dr. G was adamant about his diagnosis. And thus we began our journey through fertility treatments. As we explored our insurance options we discovered IVF would only be covered at certain clinics, and unfortunately DF was not one of them. Reluctantly, we researched clinics within our insurance network. We found Shady Grove (SG) in Rockville and scheduled an appointment with Dr. Stillman. Our first impression of Dr. S was quite good, given his resume, certifications, awards, etc., and consequently we decided to go with SG. After Dr. S reviewed my wife’s file, he shared with us his strong opinion that in fact my wife did not suffer from PCOS. This was contradictory to the diagnosis offered by Dr. G and quite frankly we were relieved. Dr. S was convincing about the potential success with IVF, but we still felt uneasy and overwhelmed. We had become accustomed to receiving explanations from Dr. G in simple, easy-to-understand terms and now it was all medical jargon, but still we began our first IVF cycle. Suddenly, we felt as though we had been branded with a number and were now part of an enormous cattle call. We were attended to by doctors we had never met and missed the personal attention afforded us at DF but we pushed forward. As the IVF treatment progressed, my wife began showing signs of hyper-stimulation. The doctors reassured us things were fine and to continue the medications. The retrieval date arrived and yet another unknown doctor performed the procedure retrieving 45 eggs from my wife. That’s right, 45 eggs (If you’re familiar with IVF, you know that’s way too many). As a sports fanatic, I thought a high number equated to great success and I wasn’t informed otherwise by the doctors so I was excited. Then I saw my wife in the operating room shaking, feverish, nauseous and bleeding. Something wasn’t right and it just didn’t add up, but again not knowing how these things work I figured this was normal. Everyone in the room appeared to be doing business as usual while my wife was crying and bleeding all over the bed sheets. After an hour recuperating time, I picked up my wife and walked her out of the clinic, hoping that this had all been worth the emotional and physical toll. Due to hyper-stimulation, the cycle was cancelled, meaning we were unable to move forward with a fresh transfer. Only 7 embryos were cryopreserved (not many for retrieving 45 eggs, but not surprising now that we understand how it works). We experienced 2 unsuccessful transfers using all of the cryopreserved embryos. It was disheartening to receive the news that we weren’t pregnant. Nearly a year had passed, and after enduring multiple fertility treatments at SG, without blinking an eye, Dr. S shared with us his medical opinion that my wife did in fact suffer from PCOS. Rage doesn’t begin to describe my feelings of frustration and anger at the lack of consideration and personal attention given to our case by Dr. S and the SG warehouse. But we didn’t truly realize just how poorly our case had been handled until many months later.

After much thought, we figured it wasn’t worth the insurance coverage to have to endure another IVF round with a profit-centered fertility business such as SG. We were seeking a fertility clinic that would provide not only the latest technology and finest medical care, but one that would literally hold our hand throughout the process. To us it was worth it to pay out-of-pocket for a comfortable, intimate setting, receiving personal attention from Dr. G and the nurses of DF. So, we returned to DF for IVF and they have handled us with the utmost respect and care throughout the entire process. This time we were well-informed and aware of each step and how my wife was responding. Finally, the day for the beta HCG (pregnancy) test arrived. Not knowing yet the outcome of the test, my wife thanked Dr. G for all he and his staff had done on our behalf. We were overwhelmed with gratitude since the experience was so different this time around. Dr. G. later recounted that he thought my wife had taken a home pregnancy test prior to that visit because she was so optimistic and thankful. Suffice it to say, the results were positive. We are now pregnant!

If you’re looking for a fertility clinic in the DC area, we highly recommend Dr. Gordon and Dr. DiMattina at Dominion Fertility. You won’t find a more capable and caring group of people!
Anonymous
OP - do you work for Dominion Fertility? Sure sounds like it.
Anonymous
We had such a good experience with DF as opposed to SG that I had to share our experience. I can't say enough about how the folks at DF cared for my wife. And after watching my wife suffer through our first IVF round with SG, I feel it must be told. It is what it is.
Anonymous
Assuming you don't work for Dominion, I'm glad you had a good experience there and got a BFP. To provide a different perspective (even though we've had the Dominion Fertility debate before on this forum)... they insisted that I do ICSI even though we don't have male factor and I told Dr Dimatina that I didn't think ICSI had been adequately studied to warrant using it in cases where there wasn't a proven need. He told me, "I am the doctor and that's the end of it." Needless to say, we went to SG where they didn't do ICSI and all of my eggs fertilized (and I saved the ~$2000 they charge for ICSI).

Also, a friend of mine at Dominion was advised to transfer 2 five day blasts that were great quality in her first round of IVF -- even though there are serious health risks to having twins and my friend was only 30 and it was her first IVF cycle. She is now pregnant with twins. At SG they encourage eSET in such cases, even though it may affect their success rates. And Dr Stillman has been vocal about decreasing the number of multiples born thru IVF.

That said, I think at SG (or anywhere you are receiving any medical treatment), you have to advocate for yourself -- if something doesn't seem right, ask!!!
Anonymous
Absolutely, I agree. And believe me we did plenty of advocating. It was just refreshing to have someone explain in simple terms the process and pay personal attention to our needs. We felt like a commodity at SG as opposed to being treated like real people with feelings and emotions at DF. But again, I agree with you that folks should absolutely advocate for themselves. Nice to hear your comments as we all are or have gone down the infertility path.
Anonymous
17:53 - i couldn't agree more, i was thinking the same exact thing...i swear to god i feel like that dimattina is at home in his boxers writing in and promoting himself and his practice.

I had a consult w/ dimattina and was not impressed, he was arrogant, and unwilling to answer my questions...he was more interested in pointing out his silly "best doctors" plaque than answering my questions. i considered making an appointment with his colleague dr. gordon - but decided that i didn't want to take the chance with them - i just had a gut feeling about their practice.

after spending a lot time and a lot of money at 2 other local clinics with no success, and after much hesitation, i finally set a consultation appointment with dr. greenhouse at sgfc. i am about to trigger for my ivf cycle and so far have been extremely happy with the service. they are extremely quick and organized with all of my appointments and both my doctor and my primary nurse have been very efficient in answering any questions that we have. they always explain everything in "simple terms" to me, and i am comfortable in asking question. i feel extremely positive and happy about the service that i have received so far.

while it is a large facility, i believe that i am an individual at this clinic. yes i know many many other people are patients there, but i actually have felt so much more comfortable than the other 2 clinics i have been to; i feel like they really know what they are doing and hopefully i will be another one of their success stories.

there is something to say about large clinics - maybe it is more competitive to work there; maybe they have many more resources to provide better labs and staff; and call it a "baby-mill" but hey - that's what i want - a baby...so i am willing to let them have a go with me. i have an extremely rare condition and dr. greenhouse has made sure that my file/records reflect this so that the team is all on the same page. at the other smaller clinics, surprisingly enough, the staff was always confused about my condition and even administered the wrong medication at one time...

also, i find that the people i know who have gone through fertility treatments and who become successful always rave about their doctor/clinic....and why is that...because it worked. so congratulations to you and your wife, i am very happy for your success...but just because it didn't work at sgfc for you does not mean that they don't know what they are doing....



Anonymous
I totally agree with poster 11:43! Many of us are at SG and many of us are very happy there. (I am a former patient of Dr. Gordon's and 2 failed rounds of NCIVF, and although I liked him/his practice for the most part, I feel like I am getting better, more aggressive care at SG.)

The lesson from all of this...as patients, we have to be our own advocates, regardless of what clinic we are at. If you have a gut feeling something is wrong, question the heck out of it before you let anyone convince you to pump yourself up with fertility drugs! Get a third opinion if you have to! Especially if you get conflicting diagnoses from 2 different Drs. If you feel like cattle at a clinic, then get the heck out of there before moving forward with treatment. In this case, I don't blame the clinic, I blame the patient who just went along despite having reservations. We are in charge of our bodies and our experiences, not the Drs. We're the ones in the driver's seat, not the Drs/clinics.
Anonymous
I can't speak for Dr. DiMattina as much as I can for Dr. Gordon. Dr. G was our doctor. Even before we found out we were pregnant we were extactic with him and the staff at DF. Again, for us, it was refreshing to be treated with dignity and care as we were at DF as opposed to the mistreatment and talk-down-to attitude we received at SG. We truly felt like just another $ sign at the SG warehouse. It was very hard on my wife. I wouldn't wish that experience on anyone dealing with infertility.
Anonymous
Having been to DF and SG for a consult, and SG for my IUIs, I felt like DF was very sales-y, and pushed NCIVF as their big money maker. I didn't like the required ICSI procedure either, when we have no male factor issues. Also, when asked if Dr. Gordon's NCIVF had been published in any peer reviewed journals, the best he could tell me was to read his blog! Um, not really the same thing. I also think their marketing department is on this board quite frequently pushing that practice, there are so many posts that sound more like an advertisement for DF than anyone's actual experience.

As far as SG, I thought they seemed more professional as a whole, were easy to contact when I had questions, but I still felt a disconnect and wasn't sure that I was getting great care (had a mistake that I discovered (not them) during one cycle that resulted in 100% refund of the IUI cost), so that kind of put a sour taste in my mouth with their practice. I'm seeking a 3rd opinion at CFA soon.
Anonymous
I'm sorry you have had such a difficult time. I can't believe DF staff are on here pushing their clinic lol. I just think most people have wonderful experiences with Dr. G and wish to share their own experiences. I guess everyone can't be pleased . . . huh? But truly, I wish you all the best. I have a place in my heart for any and all that have to deal with infertility.
Anonymous
i agree 16:58 totally. so suspicious, many of these posts about dominion seem just like advertisements. some of us are not lucky enough to be able to participate in a ncivf either...
hard to believe but they are really the only clinic that randomly and frequently have RANDOM posts that are promoting them. i never see anyone just randomly starting a thread like: "hey i love sgfc! blah blah blah..." or "gee gw fertility clinic is THE best"..... sketch!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous
Listen people, I only posted our experience due to the tremendous personal care we received at DF as opposed to the lack thereof at SG. If you'd like to discuss our experience in more detail feel free to call me on my cell at 202-412-0200.
Anonymous
I agree with the poster who said that DF was very salesy...I got suckered into NCIVF 2 times and neither worked for me. I would have preferred to save my $8800+ and just do a few rounds of IUIs (which is covered by my insurance) but felt very pressured to move forward with NCIVF by Dr. Gordon who pitched me and my husband hard. I felt like NCIVF was all they offered at that place! Needless to say, Im trying IUIs at SG and am very happy with the level of personalized care I've received. You have to be your own advocate and understand that fertility clinics are largely a business so "if it don't feel right, don't buy it!" Lesson learned original poster.
Anonymous
Good luck at the SG warehouse. I wish you all the best. I'd ask you to say hello to our doctor but I can't remember all twelve of their names.
Anonymous
Bottom line -- people are happy with whomever GOT THEM PREGNANT. And, quite frankly much of it is luck and a crap shoot. Not all - there's protocol and lab quality to consider but really, come on people, you adore who got you pregnant and everyone has their own uinque experience.
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