Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?

[Anonymous]

When the majority students from HGCs at Cold Spring ES and Barnsley ES are denied a chance to attend MS magnets, the students and parents are confused. Many of the denied students have all four test scores sr 99%. The Asian students were hit disproportionally by this new admission policy. At the infomation meeting at TPMS, there are more white students, less Asian students, handful of black students and Hispanic. Some of the white student may be white hispanic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:20:03 here

We didn’t fill out race box in profile and have Anglo-sounding name. (Most others I have met with this last name are white). But in reality, DC has been working 2 or 3 grades ahead in most subjects and outperforms kids in top private. Perhaps my child is a unicorn, but I doubt it given the extremely bright, hardworking families I meet every day. I this area you can fill classrooms with a diverse group of gifted students without lowering standard.

We were thinking of public for economic reasons and naively believed that DC could find bright friends from varying SES backgrounds. These threads make me very concerned about the mentality of families in Montgomery County.

Don’t assume until you have all the data.

Based on all the testing data in MCPS (and honestly nationally) yes, your child is something of a unicorn.

According to the PARCC results for 8th grade Geometry (reasonable assumption for kids aiming for a magnet) there were:

499 White students that exceeded expectations.
20 AA students that exceeded expectations.
25 Hispanic students that exceeded expectations.
435 Asian students that exceeded expectations.

Do you have these numbers in percentiles in the county?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When the majority students from HGCs at Cold Spring ES and Barnsley ES are denied a chance to attend MS magnets, the students and parents are confused. Many of the denied students have all four test scores sr 99%. The Asian students were hit disproportionally by this new admission policy. At the infomation meeting at TPMS, there are more white students, less Asian students, handful of black students and Hispanic. Some of the white student may be white hispanic.

I think I know the reason why you are confused...

you either think the test score alone determines magnet admission,

or you've arbitrarily assigned a high value in your head for the test score, while minimizing other considerations: MAP testing, PARCC scores, classroom grades, pre-test questionaire, and peer group at the home middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the majority students from HGCs at Cold Spring ES and Barnsley ES are denied a chance to attend MS magnets, the students and parents are confused. Many of the denied students have all four test scores sr 99%. The Asian students were hit disproportionally by this new admission policy. At the infomation meeting at TPMS, there are more white students, less Asian students, handful of black students and Hispanic. Some of the white student may be white hispanic.

I think I know the reason why you are confused...

you either think the test score alone determines magnet admission,

or you've arbitrarily assigned a high value in your head for the test score, while minimizing other considerations: MAP testing, PARCC scores, classroom grades, pre-test questionaire, and peer group at the home middle school.

Even considering PARCC, MAP testing, there is no doubt in my mind that the Cold Spring kids did well. How would I know this? I am told that kids get their MAP scores as well as the distribution of their classmates' scores (no names listed, of course). In terms of classroom grades, I am not sure how MCPS would interpret that. Getting an A is likely harder at the HGC than at the home school. I do think that peer group was the deciding factor at the end. That is not to take away the achievements of the kids who did get in to Takoma/Eastern, who do deserve an opportunity. If the are the outlier at their school, then they should be given an opportunity. But for people who kept insisting that the kids who got into Takoma/Eastern got much better marks than those who got rejected from the HGC, I don't think that was necessarily the case. MCPS did the right thing in casing a wider net and offering opportunities to outliers, but they also need to do the right thing by offering those who are high-achievers with cohorts a similar curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the majority students from HGCs at Cold Spring ES and Barnsley ES are denied a chance to attend MS magnets, the students and parents are confused. Many of the denied students have all four test scores sr 99%. The Asian students were hit disproportionally by this new admission policy. At the infomation meeting at TPMS, there are more white students, less Asian students, handful of black students and Hispanic. Some of the white student may be white hispanic.

I think I know the reason why you are confused...

you either think the test score alone determines magnet admission,

or you've arbitrarily assigned a high value in your head for the test score, while minimizing other considerations: MAP testing, PARCC scores, classroom grades, pre-test questionaire, and peer group at the home middle school.

It's not the parents who were delusional, MCPS firmly established over the years that the magnet test score is the most important factor. Search the past magnet discussions on this forum, numerous parents confirmed this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the majority students from HGCs at Cold Spring ES and Barnsley ES are denied a chance to attend MS magnets, the students and parents are confused. Many of the denied students have all four test scores sr 99%. The Asian students were hit disproportionally by this new admission policy. At the infomation meeting at TPMS, there are more white students, less Asian students, handful of black students and Hispanic. Some of the white student may be white hispanic.

I think I know the reason why you are confused...

you either think the test score alone determines magnet admission,

or you've arbitrarily assigned a high value in your head for the test score, while minimizing other considerations: MAP testing, PARCC scores, classroom grades, pre-test questionaire, and peer group at the home middle school.

It's not the parents who were delusional, MCPS firmly established over the years that the magnet test score is the most important factor. Search the past magnet discussions on this forum, numerous parents confirmed this.

Well this year it was, as announced, a new test, and a multiple factor review. They told us in advance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the majority students from HGCs at Cold Spring ES and Barnsley ES are denied a chance to attend MS magnets, the students and parents are confused. Many of the denied students have all four test scores sr 99%. The Asian students were hit disproportionally by this new admission policy. At the infomation meeting at TPMS, there are more white students, less Asian students, handful of black students and Hispanic. Some of the white student may be white hispanic.

I think I know the reason why you are confused...

you either think the test score alone determines magnet admission,

or you've arbitrarily assigned a high value in your head for the test score, while minimizing other considerations: MAP testing, PARCC scores, classroom grades, pre-test questionaire, and peer group at the home middle school.

You could make DCUM great again with posts like this. Thank you for the simple clarity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the majority students from HGCs at Cold Spring ES and Barnsley ES are denied a chance to attend MS magnets, the students and parents are confused. Many of the denied students have all four test scores sr 99%. The Asian students were hit disproportionally by this new admission policy. At the infomation meeting at TPMS, there are more white students, less Asian students, handful of black students and Hispanic. Some of the white student may be white hispanic.

I think I know the reason why you are confused...

you either think the test score alone determines magnet admission,

or you've arbitrarily assigned a high value in your head for the test score, while minimizing other considerations: MAP testing, PARCC scores, classroom grades, pre-test questionaire, and peer group at the home middle school.

Even considering PARCC, MAP testing, there is no doubt in my mind that the Cold Spring kids did well. How would I know this? I am told that kids get their MAP scores as well as the distribution of their classmates' scores (no names listed, of course). In terms of classroom grades, I am not sure how MCPS would interpret that. Getting an A is likely harder at the HGC than at the home school. I do think that peer group was the deciding factor at the end. That is not to take away the achievements of the kids who did get in to Takoma/Eastern, who do deserve an opportunity. If the are the outlier at their school, then they should be given an opportunity. But for people who kept insisting that the kids who got into Takoma/Eastern got much better marks than those who got rejected from the HGC, I don't think that was necessarily the case. MCPS did the right thing in casing a wider net and offering opportunities to outliers, but they also need to do the right thing by offering those who are high-achievers with cohorts a similar curriculum.

You are still forgetting/omitting the following:

A. Pre-test questionnaire

B. Peer group at assigned home middle school

With 4000 students competing for 200ish spaces...everything counts in large amounts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the majority students from HGCs at Cold Spring ES and Barnsley ES are denied a chance to attend MS magnets, the students and parents are confused. Many of the denied students have all four test scores sr 99%. The Asian students were hit disproportionally by this new admission policy. At the infomation meeting at TPMS, there are more white students, less Asian students, handful of black students and Hispanic. Some of the white student may be white hispanic.

I think I know the reason why you are confused...

you either think the test score alone determines magnet admission,

or you've arbitrarily assigned a high value in your head for the test score, while minimizing other considerations: MAP testing, PARCC scores, classroom grades, pre-test questionaire, and peer group at the home middle school.

It's not the parents who were delusional, MCPS firmly established over the years that the magnet test score is the most important factor. Search the past magnet discussions on this forum, numerous parents confirmed this.

Well this year it was, as announced, a new test, and a multiple factor review. They told us in advance.

The multiple factors were mentioned, yes. But still no one is sure what led to their kid's acceptance/rejection. For example of cold spring students, some guessed peer-group, some suggested maybe their scores/grades are not good enough, others assumed they don't have enough raw talent. The parents are understandably confused.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the majority students from HGCs at Cold Spring ES and Barnsley ES are denied a chance to attend MS magnets, the students and parents are confused. Many of the denied students have all four test scores sr 99%. The Asian students were hit disproportionally by this new admission policy. At the infomation meeting at TPMS, there are more white students, less Asian students, handful of black students and Hispanic. Some of the white student may be white hispanic.

I think I know the reason why you are confused...

you either think the test score alone determines magnet admission,

or you've arbitrarily assigned a high value in your head for the test score, while minimizing other considerations: MAP testing, PARCC scores, classroom grades, pre-test questionaire, and peer group at the home middle school.

Even considering PARCC, MAP testing, there is no doubt in my mind that the Cold Spring kids did well. How would I know this? I am told that kids get their MAP scores as well as the distribution of their classmates' scores (no names listed, of course). In terms of classroom grades, I am not sure how MCPS would interpret that. Getting an A is likely harder at the HGC than at the home school. I do think that peer group was the deciding factor at the end. That is not to take away the achievements of the kids who did get in to Takoma/Eastern, who do deserve an opportunity. If the are the outlier at their school, then they should be given an opportunity. But for people who kept insisting that the kids who got into Takoma/Eastern got much better marks than those who got rejected from the HGC, I don't think that was necessarily the case. MCPS did the right thing in casing a wider net and offering opportunities to outliers, but they also need to do the right thing by offering those who are high-achievers with cohorts a similar curriculum.

You are still forgetting/omitting the following:

A. Pre-test questionnaire

B. Peer group at assigned home middle school

With 4000 students competing for 200ish spaces...everything counts in large amounts.

Where did I forget peer group?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The multiple factors were mentioned, yes. But still no one is sure what led to their kid's acceptance/rejection. For example of cold spring students, some guessed peer-group, some suggested maybe their scores/grades are not good enough, others assumed they don't have enough raw talent. The parents are understandably confused.

This is not new. That's how it was in the past, also. Are parents entitled to a detailed explanation of how come their child did or didn't get in (and, by implication, other children didn't or did get in?). I don't think so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:20:03 here

We didn’t fill out race box in profile and have Anglo-sounding name. (Most others I have met with this last name are white). But in reality, DC has been working 2 or 3 grades ahead in most subjects and outperforms kids in top private. Perhaps my child is a unicorn, but I doubt it given the extremely bright, hardworking families I meet every day. I this area you can fill classrooms with a diverse group of gifted students without lowering standard.

We were thinking of public for economic reasons and naively believed that DC could find bright friends from varying SES backgrounds. These threads make me very concerned about the mentality of families in Montgomery County.

Don’t assume until you have all the data.

Based on all the testing data in MCPS (and honestly nationally) yes, your child is something of a unicorn.

According to the PARCC results for 8th grade Geometry (reasonable assumption for kids aiming for a magnet) there were:

499 White students that exceeded expectations.
20 AA students that exceeded expectations.
25 Hispanic students that exceeded expectations.
435 Asian students that exceeded expectations.

These numbers are extremely disappointing. More needs to be done to deepen the bench of highly able urm students who now constitute half the kids in the county

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:20:03 here

We didn’t fill out race box in profile and have Anglo-sounding name. (Most others I have met with this last name are white). But in reality, DC has been working 2 or 3 grades ahead in most subjects and outperforms kids in top private. Perhaps my child is a unicorn, but I doubt it given the extremely bright, hardworking families I meet every day. I this area you can fill classrooms with a diverse group of gifted students without lowering standard.

We were thinking of public for economic reasons and naively believed that DC could find bright friends from varying SES backgrounds. These threads make me very concerned about the mentality of families in Montgomery County.

Don’t assume until you have all the data.

Based on all the testing data in MCPS (and honestly nationally) yes, your child is something of a unicorn.

According to the PARCC results for 8th grade Geometry (reasonable assumption for kids aiming for a magnet) there were:

499 White students that exceeded expectations.
20 AA students that exceeded expectations.
25 Hispanic students that exceeded expectations.
435 Asian students that exceeded expectations.

These numbers are extremely disappointing. More needs to be done to deepen the bench of highly able urm students who now constitute half the kids in the county

Why are the numbers so low for AA and Hispanic students in 8th grade Math?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Based on all the testing data in MCPS (and honestly nationally) yes, your child is something of a unicorn.

According to the PARCC results for 8th grade Geometry (reasonable assumption for kids aiming for a magnet) there were:

499 White students that exceeded expectations.
20 AA students that exceeded expectations.
25 Hispanic students that exceeded expectations.
435 Asian students that exceeded expectations.

These numbers are extremely disappointing. More needs to be done to deepen the bench of highly able urm students who now constitute half the kids in the county

Why are the numbers so low for AA and Hispanic students in 8th grade Math?

Because they are not being educated properly in ES level by MCPS. PreK - 5th grade is 7 years of nonsense education for these students by MCPS teachers and administrators.

Kids need to be held back if they do not perform at high levels at PARCC and MAP. If they are held back after 3rd grade parents have to pay tuition. Everyone will get with the program then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Based on all the testing data in MCPS (and honestly nationally) yes, your child is something of a unicorn.

According to the PARCC results for 8th grade Geometry (reasonable assumption for kids aiming for a magnet) there were:

499 White students that exceeded expectations.
20 AA students that exceeded expectations.
25 Hispanic students that exceeded expectations.
435 Asian students that exceeded expectations.

These numbers are extremely disappointing. More needs to be done to deepen the bench of highly able urm students who now constitute half the kids in the county

Why are the numbers so low for AA and Hispanic students in 8th grade Math?

Because they are not being educated properly in ES level by MCPS. PreK - 5th grade is 7 years of nonsense education for these students by MCPS teachers and administrators.

Kids need to be held back if they do not perform at high levels at PARCC and MAP. If they are held back after 3rd grade parents have to pay tuition. Everyone will get with the program then.

Also parental involvement in education is sorely lacking for URMs. On the other hand, Asian-Americans are doing phenomenally across this nation, even if their parents are ill-educated, have language barriers and are very poor because of the culture of parental involvement and priortizing education among Asian-Americans, regardless of which country and ethnicity they originally came from.