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Anonymous wrote:I agree that some of these posters show troubling mental health signs. Really surprised the lack of boundary awareness. We are talking about kids here and people are speculating wildly about special needs, IEP, what was approved, with absolutely no shred of evidence. Ultimately that’s a private matter, leave it to the school and parents.

The comments about taking pleasure in someone’s (a child, none the less!) misfortune were truly repugnant. You’ve got to have a massive chip on your shoulder to stoop so low.

The competition these parents imagine themselves to be in is truly disturbing. The kid starting kindergarten later won’t steal anyone spot at a coveted college or a job later on, life is not that deterministic.

Also the strident chest beating about how great of a mother a poster is for taking care of her special needs child, and judging everyone else by how they compare against how much she did for her kid. Are we competing on who sacrificed most for their kids now? That’s what it seems. The bragging and inquiring about whose kid is more advanced in math, that’s a whole next level of insane competitiveness.

Unfortunately these harpies are lost, there’s no relief in sight, because they think of themselves as heroine mothers and models to follow, the very voice of common sense.

Lol no. The issue is an entitled set of NW moms taking up ALL the air in the room to get their own way. That’s no way to run a school system and we have seen very recent examples of where catering to a coterie of “concerned moms” was disastrous.

Yes this. All of the opposition is because people who think rules don't apply to them are grating. But then the UNW moms create a bunch of straw man arguments and vehemently defend them. That feels like 50 percent of this thread now.

I know! The other 50% is “look how much I did for my child, why can’t you do the same?”

In short, striver mom gets her ivy (lol) hopes high when her kid is taking calculus in 10th grade, only to see them shattered by actual college admission results. Meanwhile, lower “stats” kid gets into UVA. Initially she can’t even comprehend it, but it finally dawn on her, the kid was redshirted, an unfair advantage that negated all her hard work throughout the years. All that kindergarten reading, the algebra in 6th, the tutoring, it was for nothing because her kid was the youngest in the grade, a massive handicap to those in the know.

So she does what any rational person would do, troll internet posting boards, seeking validation of her parenting skill and spewing venom on redshirted kids and their parents. It’s really cathartic at the end of the day, and much cheaper than therapy. Not as effective though, her rants are getting more and more unhinged.

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument . Thank you!

But you’ve been so forthcoming with sharing personal details in your life especially about giving parents advice on how to raise their kids.

For real though, what college did your kid go to? Because with all the advice you’re dishing out, forgive me, but I want to make sure you’re legit and the final outcome is worthy of paying attention to you. If it’s below William and Mary don’t say anything, we get it, I won’t push it further and you have my sympathy.

My kids are not in college yet but it’s clear you held back to game the system. You did it for your ego vs your kids. I could not care less the ranking and hope mine go to an affordable school so we can pay for college and grad school. Except in a few fields no one cares about rankings except someone like you.

You just proved the point we are making about people like you who are gaming the system. I feel for your kids given how competitive you are.

Why is it gaming the system to hold back a kid until he’s ready to enter kindergarten?

Don’t you want all the kids to do well?

Because they are bigger, stronger, taller, faster, start puberty early for their grade and have more developed brains than the age level kids in their grades. Those factors impact almost everything.

The physical traits only matter in sports and those are by age. The intellectual abilities are not as connected to age and more with learning.

I don’t believe it’s an advantage, but if you believe those things, why didn’t you redshirt you kid? I still don’t understand what the issue is if some parents want to advantage their kids and send them later. We don’t blink an eye at tutors and expensive private schools.

So, why did you hold back? No, intellectual abilities are partly due to IQ, partly hard work, baring any sn or learning disabilities. Older doesn't make you smarter or more intellectual. It makes you less intellectual as you are not with true peers and with younger peers with lower expectations. When expectations are lowered that's not smarter, that's gaming the system.

One of my kids is very short regardless. At 17 they are still very short. Should I have held them back 3-4 years to hope they'd grow more?

Some of us put a lot of effort into our children’s nutrition, I wonder why you couldn’t do the same, it’s not that hard. When they were young it was like a had another extra job making sure they always had home cooked nutritious meals. They’ve never had junk food or sugary drinks!

Consult with their pediatrician, we were advised three servings of dairy per day, and make sure they eat about 1 gram of protein a day per pound of body weight. That’s a lot of meat, eggs, fish. Don’t even think about restricting food amounts if it’s clean, teenager boys eat a lot! In 6th grade my kid grew from 5’1” to 5’6”, it was crazy to watch.

My kid doesn’t drink juice or any bad drinks and just milk and water. Of course we all cook. Even pack every school lunch. That has nothing to do with height. It is genetics.

Since you put so much effort into food, why didn’t you put the same into academics and extracurricular activities?

Maybe the issue is that the food does not taste good. Do they say they like it, see them eating it, or maybe throwing away secretly? Cook fresh instead of doing a large batch for the week. Only saying it because that’s what I did as a child and the portions were often too small. I was very skinny.

If the child is in the bottom 20 percentile of height, I’d look first at nutrition, especially if it’s a boy. Talk to an endocrinologist, do regular checkups, tell your concerns to the pediatrician. The “genetics” you’re talking about may be human growth hormone deficiency which is treatable.

Last, spend less time on forums biatching about redshirted kids and more on your child who seems to be in a state at terrible neglect.

Oh honey, the food is good and they eat no issue. They eat four meals a day. I don’t cook large batches. You cannot change genetics. I’m not giving my child artificial hormones that can cause other issues later in life. Your projecting. Maybe if you put half as much time into supporting your child’s education they could have gone on time.

Please get informed about this for the sake of your child. Genetics can also mean epigenetics as in the genes are turned on to make needed hormones. The ignorance is breathtaking.

If you’re against artificial hormones, are you also against diabetes treatment, because insulin is an artificial hormone. Against birth control too? Anti vaccine? I’m not surprised though, of course the most rabid anti-redshirters are also anti science and conspiracy theorists.

Those things are nit comparable. I’m ok with my kid being short. They don’t want the hormones, so it’s a no.

Not saying that’s absolutely the case, but if the child is in the bottom 5% of height there may be nutrition issues or an underlying medical condition. At least be open and consult a nutritionist or physician it doesn’t hurt to have another qualified opinion. There’s no shame in that.

It’s not about wanting hormones or not, it may be that the body doesn’t produce them in sufficient quantities. Seriously, we’re not living in the Middle Ages.

Slightly off topic but I think it’s important to raise awareness and this may still be the right venue. Short stature is defined below 5’4” height for boys and 4’11” for girls after puberty. It is a medical condition that can have nutritional and hormonal causes and it can be difficult to diagnose.

It can be treated before puberty ideally before 8-10 years old. Don’t chuck it to “genes”.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/short-stature-child

If a parent considers redshirting because the child is small for the age, consult growth charts and see if the child is in the bottom 5 percentile and discuss with the pediatrician this possibility. Please don’t let ignorance ruin your child’s life.

You do not hold back a child based off height. That is bizzare.

Lets get back to talking about yours. If your child could go to CC for senior year, and take a full course load, that really says they shouldn't have been held back and you were making up for your decision.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that some of these posters show troubling mental health signs. Really surprised the lack of boundary awareness. We are talking about kids here and people are speculating wildly about special needs, IEP, what was approved, with absolutely no shred of evidence. Ultimately that’s a private matter, leave it to the school and parents.

The comments about taking pleasure in someone’s (a child, none the less!) misfortune were truly repugnant. You’ve got to have a massive chip on your shoulder to stoop so low.

The competition these parents imagine themselves to be in is truly disturbing. The kid starting kindergarten later won’t steal anyone spot at a coveted college or a job later on, life is not that deterministic.

Also the strident chest beating about how great of a mother a poster is for taking care of her special needs child, and judging everyone else by how they compare against how much she did for her kid. Are we competing on who sacrificed most for their kids now? That’s what it seems. The bragging and inquiring about whose kid is more advanced in math, that’s a whole next level of insane competitiveness.

Unfortunately these harpies are lost, there’s no relief in sight, because they think of themselves as heroine mothers and models to follow, the very voice of common sense.

Lol no. The issue is an entitled set of NW moms taking up ALL the air in the room to get their own way. That’s no way to run a school system and we have seen very recent examples of where catering to a coterie of “concerned moms” was disastrous.

Yes this. All of the opposition is because people who think rules don't apply to them are grating. But then the UNW moms create a bunch of straw man arguments and vehemently defend them. That feels like 50 percent of this thread now.

I know! The other 50% is “look how much I did for my child, why can’t you do the same?”

In short, striver mom gets her ivy (lol) hopes high when her kid is taking calculus in 10th grade, only to see them shattered by actual college admission results. Meanwhile, lower “stats” kid gets into UVA. Initially she can’t even comprehend it, but it finally dawn on her, the kid was redshirted, an unfair advantage that negated all her hard work throughout the years. All that kindergarten reading, the algebra in 6th, the tutoring, it was for nothing because her kid was the youngest in the grade, a massive handicap to those in the know.

So she does what any rational person would do, troll internet posting boards, seeking validation of her parenting skill and spewing venom on redshirted kids and their parents. It’s really cathartic at the end of the day, and much cheaper than therapy. Not as effective though, her rants are getting more and more unhinged.

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument . Thank you!

But you’ve been so forthcoming with sharing personal details in your life especially about giving parents advice on how to raise their kids.

For real though, what college did your kid go to? Because with all the advice you’re dishing out, forgive me, but I want to make sure you’re legit and the final outcome is worthy of paying attention to you. If it’s below William and Mary don’t say anything, we get it, I won’t push it further and you have my sympathy.

My kids are not in college yet but it’s clear you held back to game the system. You did it for your ego vs your kids. I could not care less the ranking and hope mine go to an affordable school so we can pay for college and grad school. Except in a few fields no one cares about rankings except someone like you.

You just proved the point we are making about people like you who are gaming the system. I feel for your kids given how competitive you are.

Why is it gaming the system to hold back a kid until he’s ready to enter kindergarten?

Don’t you want all the kids to do well?

Because they are bigger, stronger, taller, faster, start puberty early for their grade and have more developed brains than the age level kids in their grades. Those factors impact almost everything.

The physical traits only matter in sports and those are by age. The intellectual abilities are not as connected to age and more with learning.

I don’t believe it’s an advantage, but if you believe those things, why didn’t you redshirt you kid? I still don’t understand what the issue is if some parents want to advantage their kids and send them later. We don’t blink an eye at tutors and expensive private schools.

Some sports have ethical policies that go by age not grade, to prevent this nonsense. I have smart kids, good IQ's and we prepared them academically and support as needed. Maybe if you tried that....

He does great academically even without me putting a lot of effort into it. With my career I wouldn’t have the time anyways. He has always been more independent and mature compared to other kids. Based on grades, AP scores and extracurriculars (captain of the varsity swim team) we’re targeting top schools.

Where does your kid go? If it’s around Boston they might end up close, fingers crossed!

This is a pretty typical profile. The more you post, the more you look silly as no reason to hold back. How do they do swimming outside hs where it is age based? How do they just have hs swim as an extra curricular. That’s only like three months out of the year. Funny how competitive you are. It’s sad you admit you put no effort in and your career comes first. He isn’t more mature or independent. He’s one to two years older so he’s equal or less due to the age gap. I feel bad for kids like yours where parents have all kinds of d of priorities that aren’t their kids being first. You held back for you, not him.

Don’t tell me how to raise my child I won’t tell you how to raise yours. Same with family priorities.

Really don’t get what your beef is or why you feel bad. How was that a “bad” outcome for the child? The kid turned out fine, maybe it would have been fine either way. If anything it is an indication that redshirting is not detrimental. In the end it’s a smart kid, doing great academically and socially that has a bright future ahead. That’s the dream of every parent. Mission accomplished, moving on to the next chapter in life.

You aren’t raising your kid. You are too busy with your career. These kids are not smarter and brighter nor more mature. They are with younger peers so you need to put them with age appropriate peers to compare. They may not survive in college never having to work hard or be challenged.

A total of 14 AP scores of 5 throughout high school would beg to differ. In high school the age matters less, there a lot of mixing between younger and older students especially in AP classes. It doesn’t matter. We didn’t care about classmates birthdays but my estimate is he was younger than the average in AP Calculus, older in AP Spanish.

I’m happy about how I raised my kid and where he ended up, actually I’m quite proud of it. Having a career is in my view a positive model for a child that can see the parent being engaged and a productive member of society. My kid absolutely loved career days.

Not sure which ap calc your kid took but mine took bc as a 15 year old. That’s smart. Your kid may be extremely smart but you held them back.

Same, he was in 9th grade, it worked out fine. So what if they were held back, there no prize on who graduates high school the youngest. Holding back worked for us, I don’t see why you are so aggravated by this. Serious trying hard to understand, but I don’t get it.

I hardly doubt he was in 9th and you are probably making this all up. And, if he was in 9th held back doing bc you are proving there was no reason to hold him back. What school system allowed this? It would be very rare. Your posts get more and more bizzare and are proof on why your kid shou,d not have been held back. So, what math are they in now if they did bc as a freshman? And then there is no way they could do 15 aps there are no ap classes in math after calc bc.

You can doubt as much as you like.

AP Statistics in 10th, dual enrollment in 11th, for a total of four semesters of Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra, Differential Equations and Discrete Math, basically exhausting the community college math catalogue. The school also allows AP computer science classes to be taken as math, but he took them as electives, easy 5s. He didn’t do 15 APs, I said 14.

As I said the coursework was plenty challenging, basically he could have earned an AA degree while in high school, but chose not to so that the freshman status is not affected. It worked out great for him college wise.

This child should not have been held back and they are lying about the math. And, probably everything else. No school allows computer science as a math.

DC and few other states allow computer science class to fulfill math requirements in high school.

Read what they are posting. They wouldn't need the math requirement if the child was actually at CC as it would transfer. NOTHING they say makes sense. MD does not and they specifically said MD.

Computer science classes satisfy math requirements in DC and MD, Google to convince yourself. So do classes taken as dual enrollment, that’s why they are called that, they satisfy both college and high school requirements. You have no idea what you’re talking about, just screaming “you lie” left and right picking random bits from posts you don’t like. You really are unhinged, take a break from DCUM for a couple of days it will calm you down.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that some of these posters show troubling mental health signs. Really surprised the lack of boundary awareness. We are talking about kids here and people are speculating wildly about special needs, IEP, what was approved, with absolutely no shred of evidence. Ultimately that’s a private matter, leave it to the school and parents.

The comments about taking pleasure in someone’s (a child, none the less!) misfortune were truly repugnant. You’ve got to have a massive chip on your shoulder to stoop so low.

The competition these parents imagine themselves to be in is truly disturbing. The kid starting kindergarten later won’t steal anyone spot at a coveted college or a job later on, life is not that deterministic.

Also the strident chest beating about how great of a mother a poster is for taking care of her special needs child, and judging everyone else by how they compare against how much she did for her kid. Are we competing on who sacrificed most for their kids now? That’s what it seems. The bragging and inquiring about whose kid is more advanced in math, that’s a whole next level of insane competitiveness.

Unfortunately these harpies are lost, there’s no relief in sight, because they think of themselves as heroine mothers and models to follow, the very voice of common sense.

Lol no. The issue is an entitled set of NW moms taking up ALL the air in the room to get their own way. That’s no way to run a school system and we have seen very recent examples of where catering to a coterie of “concerned moms” was disastrous.

Yes this. All of the opposition is because people who think rules don't apply to them are grating. But then the UNW moms create a bunch of straw man arguments and vehemently defend them. That feels like 50 percent of this thread now.

I know! The other 50% is “look how much I did for my child, why can’t you do the same?”

In short, striver mom gets her ivy (lol) hopes high when her kid is taking calculus in 10th grade, only to see them shattered by actual college admission results. Meanwhile, lower “stats” kid gets into UVA. Initially she can’t even comprehend it, but it finally dawn on her, the kid was redshirted, an unfair advantage that negated all her hard work throughout the years. All that kindergarten reading, the algebra in 6th, the tutoring, it was for nothing because her kid was the youngest in the grade, a massive handicap to those in the know.

So she does what any rational person would do, troll internet posting boards, seeking validation of her parenting skill and spewing venom on redshirted kids and their parents. It’s really cathartic at the end of the day, and much cheaper than therapy. Not as effective though, her rants are getting more and more unhinged.

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument . Thank you!

But you’ve been so forthcoming with sharing personal details in your life especially about giving parents advice on how to raise their kids.

For real though, what college did your kid go to? Because with all the advice you’re dishing out, forgive me, but I want to make sure you’re legit and the final outcome is worthy of paying attention to you. If it’s below William and Mary don’t say anything, we get it, I won’t push it further and you have my sympathy.

My kids are not in college yet but it’s clear you held back to game the system. You did it for your ego vs your kids. I could not care less the ranking and hope mine go to an affordable school so we can pay for college and grad school. Except in a few fields no one cares about rankings except someone like you.

You just proved the point we are making about people like you who are gaming the system. I feel for your kids given how competitive you are.

Why is it gaming the system to hold back a kid until he’s ready to enter kindergarten?

Don’t you want all the kids to do well?

Because they are bigger, stronger, taller, faster, start puberty early for their grade and have more developed brains than the age level kids in their grades. Those factors impact almost everything.

The physical traits only matter in sports and those are by age. The intellectual abilities are not as connected to age and more with learning.

I don’t believe it’s an advantage, but if you believe those things, why didn’t you redshirt you kid? I still don’t understand what the issue is if some parents want to advantage their kids and send them later. We don’t blink an eye at tutors and expensive private schools.

So, why did you hold back? No, intellectual abilities are partly due to IQ, partly hard work, baring any sn or learning disabilities. Older doesn't make you smarter or more intellectual. It makes you less intellectual as you are not with true peers and with younger peers with lower expectations. When expectations are lowered that's not smarter, that's gaming the system.

One of my kids is very short regardless. At 17 they are still very short. Should I have held them back 3-4 years to hope they'd grow more?

Some of us put a lot of effort into our children’s nutrition, I wonder why you couldn’t do the same, it’s not that hard. When they were young it was like a had another extra job making sure they always had home cooked nutritious meals. They’ve never had junk food or sugary drinks!

Consult with their pediatrician, we were advised three servings of dairy per day, and make sure they eat about 1 gram of protein a day per pound of body weight. That’s a lot of meat, eggs, fish. Don’t even think about restricting food amounts if it’s clean, teenager boys eat a lot! In 6th grade my kid grew from 5’1” to 5’6”, it was crazy to watch.

My kid doesn’t drink juice or any bad drinks and just milk and water. Of course we all cook. Even pack every school lunch. That has nothing to do with height. It is genetics.

Since you put so much effort into food, why didn’t you put the same into academics and extracurricular activities?

Maybe the issue is that the food does not taste good. Do they say they like it, see them eating it, or maybe throwing away secretly? Cook fresh instead of doing a large batch for the week. Only saying it because that’s what I did as a child and the portions were often too small. I was very skinny.

If the child is in the bottom 20 percentile of height, I’d look first at nutrition, especially if it’s a boy. Talk to an endocrinologist, do regular checkups, tell your concerns to the pediatrician. The “genetics” you’re talking about may be human growth hormone deficiency which is treatable.

Last, spend less time on forums biatching about redshirted kids and more on your child who seems to be in a state at terrible neglect.

Oh honey, the food is good and they eat no issue. They eat four meals a day. I don’t cook large batches. You cannot change genetics. I’m not giving my child artificial hormones that can cause other issues later in life. Your projecting. Maybe if you put half as much time into supporting your child’s education they could have gone on time.

Please get informed about this for the sake of your child. Genetics can also mean epigenetics as in the genes are turned on to make needed hormones. The ignorance is breathtaking.

If you’re against artificial hormones, are you also against diabetes treatment, because insulin is an artificial hormone. Against birth control too? Anti vaccine? I’m not surprised though, of course the most rabid anti-redshirters are also anti science and conspiracy theorists.

Those things are nit comparable. I’m ok with my kid being short. They don’t want the hormones, so it’s a no.

Not saying that’s absolutely the case, but if the child is in the bottom 5% of height there may be nutrition issues or an underlying medical condition. At least be open and consult a nutritionist or physician it doesn’t hurt to have another qualified opinion. There’s no shame in that.

It’s not about wanting hormones or not, it may be that the body doesn’t produce them in sufficient quantities. Seriously, we’re not living in the Middle Ages.

Slightly off topic but I think it’s important to raise awareness and this may still be the right venue. Short stature is defined below 5’4” height for boys and 4’11” for girls after puberty. It is a medical condition that can have nutritional and hormonal causes and it can be difficult to diagnose.

It can be treated before puberty ideally before 8-10 years old. Don’t chuck it to “genes”.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/short-stature-child

If a parent considers redshirting because the child is small for the age, consult growth charts and see if the child is in the bottom 5 percentile and discuss with the pediatrician this possibility. Please don’t let ignorance ruin your child’s life.

Have you had yourself checked out? With a personality like yours there's likely a host of underlying problems.

Your kid should, under no circumstances, be allowed to redshirt. If anything, assuming everything you've said is true, they should skip a grade and be a year (or two) younger than everyone else in their grade.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that some of these posters show troubling mental health signs. Really surprised the lack of boundary awareness. We are talking about kids here and people are speculating wildly about special needs, IEP, what was approved, with absolutely no shred of evidence. Ultimately that’s a private matter, leave it to the school and parents.

The comments about taking pleasure in someone’s (a child, none the less!) misfortune were truly repugnant. You’ve got to have a massive chip on your shoulder to stoop so low.

The competition these parents imagine themselves to be in is truly disturbing. The kid starting kindergarten later won’t steal anyone spot at a coveted college or a job later on, life is not that deterministic.

Also the strident chest beating about how great of a mother a poster is for taking care of her special needs child, and judging everyone else by how they compare against how much she did for her kid. Are we competing on who sacrificed most for their kids now? That’s what it seems. The bragging and inquiring about whose kid is more advanced in math, that’s a whole next level of insane competitiveness.

Unfortunately these harpies are lost, there’s no relief in sight, because they think of themselves as heroine mothers and models to follow, the very voice of common sense.

Lol no. The issue is an entitled set of NW moms taking up ALL the air in the room to get their own way. That’s no way to run a school system and we have seen very recent examples of where catering to a coterie of “concerned moms” was disastrous.

Yes this. All of the opposition is because people who think rules don't apply to them are grating. But then the UNW moms create a bunch of straw man arguments and vehemently defend them. That feels like 50 percent of this thread now.

I know! The other 50% is “look how much I did for my child, why can’t you do the same?”

In short, striver mom gets her ivy (lol) hopes high when her kid is taking calculus in 10th grade, only to see them shattered by actual college admission results. Meanwhile, lower “stats” kid gets into UVA. Initially she can’t even comprehend it, but it finally dawn on her, the kid was redshirted, an unfair advantage that negated all her hard work throughout the years. All that kindergarten reading, the algebra in 6th, the tutoring, it was for nothing because her kid was the youngest in the grade, a massive handicap to those in the know.

So she does what any rational person would do, troll internet posting boards, seeking validation of her parenting skill and spewing venom on redshirted kids and their parents. It’s really cathartic at the end of the day, and much cheaper than therapy. Not as effective though, her rants are getting more and more unhinged.

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument . Thank you!

But you’ve been so forthcoming with sharing personal details in your life especially about giving parents advice on how to raise their kids.

For real though, what college did your kid go to? Because with all the advice you’re dishing out, forgive me, but I want to make sure you’re legit and the final outcome is worthy of paying attention to you. If it’s below William and Mary don’t say anything, we get it, I won’t push it further and you have my sympathy.

My kids are not in college yet but it’s clear you held back to game the system. You did it for your ego vs your kids. I could not care less the ranking and hope mine go to an affordable school so we can pay for college and grad school. Except in a few fields no one cares about rankings except someone like you.

You just proved the point we are making about people like you who are gaming the system. I feel for your kids given how competitive you are.

Why is it gaming the system to hold back a kid until he’s ready to enter kindergarten?

Don’t you want all the kids to do well?

Because they are bigger, stronger, taller, faster, start puberty early for their grade and have more developed brains than the age level kids in their grades. Those factors impact almost everything.

The physical traits only matter in sports and those are by age. The intellectual abilities are not as connected to age and more with learning.

I don’t believe it’s an advantage, but if you believe those things, why didn’t you redshirt you kid? I still don’t understand what the issue is if some parents want to advantage their kids and send them later. We don’t blink an eye at tutors and expensive private schools.

So, why did you hold back? No, intellectual abilities are partly due to IQ, partly hard work, baring any sn or learning disabilities. Older doesn't make you smarter or more intellectual. It makes you less intellectual as you are not with true peers and with younger peers with lower expectations. When expectations are lowered that's not smarter, that's gaming the system.

One of my kids is very short regardless. At 17 they are still very short. Should I have held them back 3-4 years to hope they'd grow more?

Some of us put a lot of effort into our children’s nutrition, I wonder why you couldn’t do the same, it’s not that hard. When they were young it was like a had another extra job making sure they always had home cooked nutritious meals. They’ve never had junk food or sugary drinks!

Consult with their pediatrician, we were advised three servings of dairy per day, and make sure they eat about 1 gram of protein a day per pound of body weight. That’s a lot of meat, eggs, fish. Don’t even think about restricting food amounts if it’s clean, teenager boys eat a lot! In 6th grade my kid grew from 5’1” to 5’6”, it was crazy to watch.

My kid doesn’t drink juice or any bad drinks and just milk and water. Of course we all cook. Even pack every school lunch. That has nothing to do with height. It is genetics.

Since you put so much effort into food, why didn’t you put the same into academics and extracurricular activities?

Maybe the issue is that the food does not taste good. Do they say they like it, see them eating it, or maybe throwing away secretly? Cook fresh instead of doing a large batch for the week. Only saying it because that’s what I did as a child and the portions were often too small. I was very skinny.

If the child is in the bottom 20 percentile of height, I’d look first at nutrition, especially if it’s a boy. Talk to an endocrinologist, do regular checkups, tell your concerns to the pediatrician. The “genetics” you’re talking about may be human growth hormone deficiency which is treatable.

Last, spend less time on forums biatching about redshirted kids and more on your child who seems to be in a state at terrible neglect.

Oh honey, the food is good and they eat no issue. They eat four meals a day. I don’t cook large batches. You cannot change genetics. I’m not giving my child artificial hormones that can cause other issues later in life. Your projecting. Maybe if you put half as much time into supporting your child’s education they could have gone on time.

Please get informed about this for the sake of your child. Genetics can also mean epigenetics as in the genes are turned on to make needed hormones. The ignorance is breathtaking.

If you’re against artificial hormones, are you also against diabetes treatment, because insulin is an artificial hormone. Against birth control too? Anti vaccine? I’m not surprised though, of course the most rabid anti-redshirters are also anti science and conspiracy theorists.

Those things are nit comparable. I’m ok with my kid being short. They don’t want the hormones, so it’s a no.

Not saying that’s absolutely the case, but if the child is in the bottom 5% of height there may be nutrition issues or an underlying medical condition. At least be open and consult a nutritionist or physician it doesn’t hurt to have another qualified opinion. There’s no shame in that.

It’s not about wanting hormones or not, it may be that the body doesn’t produce them in sufficient quantities. Seriously, we’re not living in the Middle Ages.

Slightly off topic but I think it’s important to raise awareness and this may still be the right venue. Short stature is defined below 5’4” height for boys and 4’11” for girls after puberty. It is a medical condition that can have nutritional and hormonal causes and it can be difficult to diagnose.

It can be treated before puberty ideally before 8-10 years old. Don’t chuck it to “genes”.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/short-stature-child

If a parent considers redshirting because the child is small for the age, consult growth charts and see if the child is in the bottom 5 percentile and discuss with the pediatrician this possibility. Please don’t let ignorance ruin your child’s life.

You do not hold back a child based off height. That is bizzare.

Lets get back to talking about yours. If your child could go to CC for senior year, and take a full course load, that really says they shouldn't have been held back and you were making up for your decision.

Physical development is actually a common reason for redshirting along social and emotional maturity, academic readiness, and special needs.

It’s rare students take a full course load at community college while in high school, mine didn’t. Students just take a handful of classes they are interested in and not offered at their high school.

Doing well in senior year of high school is not equivalent to being ready for kindergarten at 5. Let parents decide for their kids.

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How did this thread devolve into a discussion on nutrition, height and bragging about math classes? You all need to take a walk outside and look at some trees.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that some of these posters show troubling mental health signs. Really surprised the lack of boundary awareness. We are talking about kids here and people are speculating wildly about special needs, IEP, what was approved, with absolutely no shred of evidence. Ultimately that’s a private matter, leave it to the school and parents.

The comments about taking pleasure in someone’s (a child, none the less!) misfortune were truly repugnant. You’ve got to have a massive chip on your shoulder to stoop so low.

The competition these parents imagine themselves to be in is truly disturbing. The kid starting kindergarten later won’t steal anyone spot at a coveted college or a job later on, life is not that deterministic.

Also the strident chest beating about how great of a mother a poster is for taking care of her special needs child, and judging everyone else by how they compare against how much she did for her kid. Are we competing on who sacrificed most for their kids now? That’s what it seems. The bragging and inquiring about whose kid is more advanced in math, that’s a whole next level of insane competitiveness.

Unfortunately these harpies are lost, there’s no relief in sight, because they think of themselves as heroine mothers and models to follow, the very voice of common sense.

Lol no. The issue is an entitled set of NW moms taking up ALL the air in the room to get their own way. That’s no way to run a school system and we have seen very recent examples of where catering to a coterie of “concerned moms” was disastrous.

Yes this. All of the opposition is because people who think rules don't apply to them are grating. But then the UNW moms create a bunch of straw man arguments and vehemently defend them. That feels like 50 percent of this thread now.

I know! The other 50% is “look how much I did for my child, why can’t you do the same?”

In short, striver mom gets her ivy (lol) hopes high when her kid is taking calculus in 10th grade, only to see them shattered by actual college admission results. Meanwhile, lower “stats” kid gets into UVA. Initially she can’t even comprehend it, but it finally dawn on her, the kid was redshirted, an unfair advantage that negated all her hard work throughout the years. All that kindergarten reading, the algebra in 6th, the tutoring, it was for nothing because her kid was the youngest in the grade, a massive handicap to those in the know.

So she does what any rational person would do, troll internet posting boards, seeking validation of her parenting skill and spewing venom on redshirted kids and their parents. It’s really cathartic at the end of the day, and much cheaper than therapy. Not as effective though, her rants are getting more and more unhinged.

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument . Thank you!

But you’ve been so forthcoming with sharing personal details in your life especially about giving parents advice on how to raise their kids.

For real though, what college did your kid go to? Because with all the advice you’re dishing out, forgive me, but I want to make sure you’re legit and the final outcome is worthy of paying attention to you. If it’s below William and Mary don’t say anything, we get it, I won’t push it further and you have my sympathy.

My kids are not in college yet but it’s clear you held back to game the system. You did it for your ego vs your kids. I could not care less the ranking and hope mine go to an affordable school so we can pay for college and grad school. Except in a few fields no one cares about rankings except someone like you.

You just proved the point we are making about people like you who are gaming the system. I feel for your kids given how competitive you are.

Why is it gaming the system to hold back a kid until he’s ready to enter kindergarten?

Don’t you want all the kids to do well?

Because they are bigger, stronger, taller, faster, start puberty early for their grade and have more developed brains than the age level kids in their grades. Those factors impact almost everything.

The physical traits only matter in sports and those are by age. The intellectual abilities are not as connected to age and more with learning.

I don’t believe it’s an advantage, but if you believe those things, why didn’t you redshirt you kid? I still don’t understand what the issue is if some parents want to advantage their kids and send them later. We don’t blink an eye at tutors and expensive private schools.

So, why did you hold back? No, intellectual abilities are partly due to IQ, partly hard work, baring any sn or learning disabilities. Older doesn't make you smarter or more intellectual. It makes you less intellectual as you are not with true peers and with younger peers with lower expectations. When expectations are lowered that's not smarter, that's gaming the system.

One of my kids is very short regardless. At 17 they are still very short. Should I have held them back 3-4 years to hope they'd grow more?

Some of us put a lot of effort into our children’s nutrition, I wonder why you couldn’t do the same, it’s not that hard. When they were young it was like a had another extra job making sure they always had home cooked nutritious meals. They’ve never had junk food or sugary drinks!

Consult with their pediatrician, we were advised three servings of dairy per day, and make sure they eat about 1 gram of protein a day per pound of body weight. That’s a lot of meat, eggs, fish. Don’t even think about restricting food amounts if it’s clean, teenager boys eat a lot! In 6th grade my kid grew from 5’1” to 5’6”, it was crazy to watch.

My kid doesn’t drink juice or any bad drinks and just milk and water. Of course we all cook. Even pack every school lunch. That has nothing to do with height. It is genetics.

Since you put so much effort into food, why didn’t you put the same into academics and extracurricular activities?

Maybe the issue is that the food does not taste good. Do they say they like it, see them eating it, or maybe throwing away secretly? Cook fresh instead of doing a large batch for the week. Only saying it because that’s what I did as a child and the portions were often too small. I was very skinny.

If the child is in the bottom 20 percentile of height, I’d look first at nutrition, especially if it’s a boy. Talk to an endocrinologist, do regular checkups, tell your concerns to the pediatrician. The “genetics” you’re talking about may be human growth hormone deficiency which is treatable.

Last, spend less time on forums biatching about redshirted kids and more on your child who seems to be in a state at terrible neglect.

Oh honey, the food is good and they eat no issue. They eat four meals a day. I don’t cook large batches. You cannot change genetics. I’m not giving my child artificial hormones that can cause other issues later in life. Your projecting. Maybe if you put half as much time into supporting your child’s education they could have gone on time.

Please get informed about this for the sake of your child. Genetics can also mean epigenetics as in the genes are turned on to make needed hormones. The ignorance is breathtaking.

If you’re against artificial hormones, are you also against diabetes treatment, because insulin is an artificial hormone. Against birth control too? Anti vaccine? I’m not surprised though, of course the most rabid anti-redshirters are also anti science and conspiracy theorists.

Those things are nit comparable. I’m ok with my kid being short. They don’t want the hormones, so it’s a no.

Not saying that’s absolutely the case, but if the child is in the bottom 5% of height there may be nutrition issues or an underlying medical condition. At least be open and consult a nutritionist or physician it doesn’t hurt to have another qualified opinion. There’s no shame in that.

It’s not about wanting hormones or not, it may be that the body doesn’t produce them in sufficient quantities. Seriously, we’re not living in the Middle Ages.

Slightly off topic but I think it’s important to raise awareness and this may still be the right venue. Short stature is defined below 5’4” height for boys and 4’11” for girls after puberty. It is a medical condition that can have nutritional and hormonal causes and it can be difficult to diagnose.

It can be treated before puberty ideally before 8-10 years old. Don’t chuck it to “genes”.

https://www.yalemedicine.org/conditions/short-stature-child

If a parent considers redshirting because the child is small for the age, consult growth charts and see if the child is in the bottom 5 percentile and discuss with the pediatrician this possibility. Please don’t let ignorance ruin your child’s life.

Have you had yourself checked out? With a personality like yours there's likely a host of underlying problems.

Your kid should, under no circumstances, be allowed to redshirt. If anything, assuming everything you've said is true, they should skip a grade and be a year (or two) younger than everyone else in their grade.

So now you’re advocating obligatory grade skipping?

I considered grade skipping for my child in elementary school but decided it was not a good idea. I think it’s great to use the teenage years to explore things and find what interests you and just build a broad general knowledge base. There are plenty of advanced college level classes in high school, it’s not like you’ll run out of them.

I don’t see the benefit of going early to college, life accelerates once you’re there and speeds up even more once you start working. So they’ll start working a year earlier whats so special about it? Let them enter adult life when they’ve ready and fully prepared. In my view that’s why parents redshirt, they want the best for their child. I don’t understand why some school are making it hard.

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Anonymous wrote:How did this thread devolve into a discussion on nutrition, height and bragging about math classes? You all need to take a walk outside and look at some trees.

Right? Is it just two people bickering? I'm assuming all accounts are anonymous, so I'm impressed they can even keep track of who they are bickering with. Too bad a Reddit mod can't just ban them at this point.

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Not at all surprising that the My School DC would be removing kids if they are outside of the age cutoffs. The website very clearly states the DCPS policy that some claim do not exist:

Kindergarten: No older than five on September 30, 2025

https://www.myschooldc.org/how-apply/age-cutoffs-cutoff-dates

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Kindergarten: No older than five on September 30, 2025

https://www.myschooldc.org/how-apply/age-cutoffs-cutoff-dates

Omg look at the way back machine. That’s a new addition to the language, obviously added to assuage the chancellor

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all surprising that the My School DC would be removing kids if they are outside of the age cutoffs. The website very clearly states the DCPS policy that some claim do not exist:

Kindergarten: No older than five on September 30, 2025

https://www.myschooldc.org/how-apply/age-cutoffs-cutoff-dates

Interesting. Even the current policy of "principal's discretion" for redshirting is really only an option for a very small group: students enrolling at their IB school who didn't do DCPS, DCPCS, or CBO PK.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all surprising that the My School DC would be removing kids if they are outside of the age cutoffs. The website very clearly states the DCPS policy that some claim do not exist:

Kindergarten: No older than five on September 30, 2025

https://www.myschooldc.org/how-apply/age-cutoffs-cutoff-dates

Omg look at the way back machine. That’s a new addition to the language, obviously added to assuage the chancellor

Actually it's been a DC regulation since October 2006.

Chapter 5 Section 5-E2004: https://www.dcregs.dc.gov/Common/DCMR/RuleList.aspx?ChapterNum=5-E20&ChapterId=242

2004.3 A student who is or will become five (5) years of age on or before December 31st of the 2006-2007 school year and September 30th in all subsequent school years shall be eligible for admission to the kindergarten program.

2004.5 A student who is or will become six (6) years of age on or before December 31st of the 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 school years and September 30th in all subsequent school years shall be eligible for admission to the first (1st) grade.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that some of these posters show troubling mental health signs. Really surprised the lack of boundary awareness. We are talking about kids here and people are speculating wildly about special needs, IEP, what was approved, with absolutely no shred of evidence. Ultimately that’s a private matter, leave it to the school and parents.

The comments about taking pleasure in someone’s (a child, none the less!) misfortune were truly repugnant. You’ve got to have a massive chip on your shoulder to stoop so low.

The competition these parents imagine themselves to be in is truly disturbing. The kid starting kindergarten later won’t steal anyone spot at a coveted college or a job later on, life is not that deterministic.

Also the strident chest beating about how great of a mother a poster is for taking care of her special needs child, and judging everyone else by how they compare against how much she did for her kid. Are we competing on who sacrificed most for their kids now? That’s what it seems. The bragging and inquiring about whose kid is more advanced in math, that’s a whole next level of insane competitiveness.

Unfortunately these harpies are lost, there’s no relief in sight, because they think of themselves as heroine mothers and models to follow, the very voice of common sense.

Lol no. The issue is an entitled set of NW moms taking up ALL the air in the room to get their own way. That’s no way to run a school system and we have seen very recent examples of where catering to a coterie of “concerned moms” was disastrous.

Yes this. All of the opposition is because people who think rules don't apply to them are grating. But then the UNW moms create a bunch of straw man arguments and vehemently defend them. That feels like 50 percent of this thread now.

I know! The other 50% is “look how much I did for my child, why can’t you do the same?”

In short, striver mom gets her ivy (lol) hopes high when her kid is taking calculus in 10th grade, only to see them shattered by actual college admission results. Meanwhile, lower “stats” kid gets into UVA. Initially she can’t even comprehend it, but it finally dawn on her, the kid was redshirted, an unfair advantage that negated all her hard work throughout the years. All that kindergarten reading, the algebra in 6th, the tutoring, it was for nothing because her kid was the youngest in the grade, a massive handicap to those in the know.

So she does what any rational person would do, troll internet posting boards, seeking validation of her parenting skill and spewing venom on redshirted kids and their parents. It’s really cathartic at the end of the day, and much cheaper than therapy. Not as effective though, her rants are getting more and more unhinged.

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument . Thank you!

But you’ve been so forthcoming with sharing personal details in your life especially about giving parents advice on how to raise their kids.

For real though, what college did your kid go to? Because with all the advice you’re dishing out, forgive me, but I want to make sure you’re legit and the final outcome is worthy of paying attention to you. If it’s below William and Mary don’t say anything, we get it, I won’t push it further and you have my sympathy.

My kids are not in college yet but it’s clear you held back to game the system. You did it for your ego vs your kids. I could not care less the ranking and hope mine go to an affordable school so we can pay for college and grad school. Except in a few fields no one cares about rankings except someone like you.

You just proved the point we are making about people like you who are gaming the system. I feel for your kids given how competitive you are.

Why is it gaming the system to hold back a kid until he’s ready to enter kindergarten?

Don’t you want all the kids to do well?

Because they are bigger, stronger, taller, faster, start puberty early for their grade and have more developed brains than the age level kids in their grades. Those factors impact almost everything.

The physical traits only matter in sports and those are by age. The intellectual abilities are not as connected to age and more with learning.

I don’t believe it’s an advantage, but if you believe those things, why didn’t you redshirt you kid? I still don’t understand what the issue is if some parents want to advantage their kids and send them later. We don’t blink an eye at tutors and expensive private schools.

Some sports have ethical policies that go by age not grade, to prevent this nonsense. I have smart kids, good IQ's and we prepared them academically and support as needed. Maybe if you tried that....

He does great academically even without me putting a lot of effort into it. With my career I wouldn’t have the time anyways. He has always been more independent and mature compared to other kids. Based on grades, AP scores and extracurriculars (captain of the varsity swim team) we’re targeting top schools.

Where does your kid go? If it’s around Boston they might end up close, fingers crossed!

This is a pretty typical profile. The more you post, the more you look silly as no reason to hold back. How do they do swimming outside hs where it is age based? How do they just have hs swim as an extra curricular. That’s only like three months out of the year. Funny how competitive you are. It’s sad you admit you put no effort in and your career comes first. He isn’t more mature or independent. He’s one to two years older so he’s equal or less due to the age gap. I feel bad for kids like yours where parents have all kinds of d of priorities that aren’t their kids being first. You held back for you, not him.

Don’t tell me how to raise my child I won’t tell you how to raise yours. Same with family priorities.

Really don’t get what your beef is or why you feel bad. How was that a “bad” outcome for the child? The kid turned out fine, maybe it would have been fine either way. If anything it is an indication that redshirting is not detrimental. In the end it’s a smart kid, doing great academically and socially that has a bright future ahead. That’s the dream of every parent. Mission accomplished, moving on to the next chapter in life.

You aren’t raising your kid. You are too busy with your career. These kids are not smarter and brighter nor more mature. They are with younger peers so you need to put them with age appropriate peers to compare. They may not survive in college never having to work hard or be challenged.

A total of 14 AP scores of 5 throughout high school would beg to differ. In high school the age matters less, there a lot of mixing between younger and older students especially in AP classes. It doesn’t matter. We didn’t care about classmates birthdays but my estimate is he was younger than the average in AP Calculus, older in AP Spanish.

I’m happy about how I raised my kid and where he ended up, actually I’m quite proud of it. Having a career is in my view a positive model for a child that can see the parent being engaged and a productive member of society. My kid absolutely loved career days.

Not sure which ap calc your kid took but mine took bc as a 15 year old. That’s smart. Your kid may be extremely smart but you held them back.

Same, he was in 9th grade, it worked out fine. So what if they were held back, there no prize on who graduates high school the youngest. Holding back worked for us, I don’t see why you are so aggravated by this. Serious trying hard to understand, but I don’t get it.

I hardly doubt he was in 9th and you are probably making this all up. And, if he was in 9th held back doing bc you are proving there was no reason to hold him back. What school system allowed this? It would be very rare. Your posts get more and more bizzare and are proof on why your kid shou,d not have been held back. So, what math are they in now if they did bc as a freshman? And then there is no way they could do 15 aps there are no ap classes in math after calc bc.

You can doubt as much as you like.

AP Statistics in 10th, dual enrollment in 11th, for a total of four semesters of Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra, Differential Equations and Discrete Math, basically exhausting the community college math catalogue. The school also allows AP computer science classes to be taken as math, but he took them as electives, easy 5s. He didn’t do 15 APs, I said 14.

As I said the coursework was plenty challenging, basically he could have earned an AA degree while in high school, but chose not to so that the freshman status is not affected. It worked out great for him college wise.

This child should not have been held back and they are lying about the math. And, probably everything else. No school allows computer science as a math.

DC and few other states allow computer science class to fulfill math requirements in high school.

Read what they are posting. They wouldn't need the math requirement if the child was actually at CC as it would transfer. NOTHING they say makes sense. MD does not and they specifically said MD.

Computer science classes satisfy math requirements in DC and MD, Google to convince yourself. So do classes taken as dual enrollment, that’s why they are called that, they satisfy both college and high school requirements. You have no idea what you’re talking about, just screaming “you lie” left and right picking random bits from posts you don’t like. You really are unhinged, take a break from DCUM for a couple of days it will calm you down.

CS classes don’t satisfy Math requirements in DCPS.

You can only take dual enrollment for classes not offered at your HS, which means you already satisfied the DCPS requirements (which are only to get to precalc or take Stat).

Most colleges won’t accept any DE taken during high school, though GW will accept DE taken at GW.

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Anonymous wrote:Not at all surprising that the My School DC would be removing kids if they are outside of the age cutoffs. The website very clearly states the DCPS policy that some claim do not exist:

Kindergarten: No older than five on September 30, 2025

https://www.myschooldc.org/how-apply/age-cutoffs-cutoff-dates

Omg look at the way back machine. That’s a new addition to the language, obviously added to assuage the chancellor

Actually it's been a DC regulation since October 2006.

Chapter 5 Section 5-E2004: https://www.dcregs.dc.gov/Common/DCMR/RuleList.aspx?ChapterNum=5-E20&ChapterId=242

2004.3 A student who is or will become five (5) years of age on or before December 31st of the 2006-2007 school year and September 30th in all subsequent school years shall be eligible for admission to the kindergarten program.

2004.5 A student who is or will become six (6) years of age on or before December 31st of the 2006-2007 and 2007-2008 school years and September 30th in all subsequent school years shall be eligible for admission to the first (1st) grade.

“Shall be eligible” is not the same 🤦‍♀️

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that some of these posters show troubling mental health signs. Really surprised the lack of boundary awareness. We are talking about kids here and people are speculating wildly about special needs, IEP, what was approved, with absolutely no shred of evidence. Ultimately that’s a private matter, leave it to the school and parents.

The comments about taking pleasure in someone’s (a child, none the less!) misfortune were truly repugnant. You’ve got to have a massive chip on your shoulder to stoop so low.

The competition these parents imagine themselves to be in is truly disturbing. The kid starting kindergarten later won’t steal anyone spot at a coveted college or a job later on, life is not that deterministic.

Also the strident chest beating about how great of a mother a poster is for taking care of her special needs child, and judging everyone else by how they compare against how much she did for her kid. Are we competing on who sacrificed most for their kids now? That’s what it seems. The bragging and inquiring about whose kid is more advanced in math, that’s a whole next level of insane competitiveness.

Unfortunately these harpies are lost, there’s no relief in sight, because they think of themselves as heroine mothers and models to follow, the very voice of common sense.

Lol no. The issue is an entitled set of NW moms taking up ALL the air in the room to get their own way. That’s no way to run a school system and we have seen very recent examples of where catering to a coterie of “concerned moms” was disastrous.

Yes this. All of the opposition is because people who think rules don't apply to them are grating. But then the UNW moms create a bunch of straw man arguments and vehemently defend them. That feels like 50 percent of this thread now.

I know! The other 50% is “look how much I did for my child, why can’t you do the same?”

In short, striver mom gets her ivy (lol) hopes high when her kid is taking calculus in 10th grade, only to see them shattered by actual college admission results. Meanwhile, lower “stats” kid gets into UVA. Initially she can’t even comprehend it, but it finally dawn on her, the kid was redshirted, an unfair advantage that negated all her hard work throughout the years. All that kindergarten reading, the algebra in 6th, the tutoring, it was for nothing because her kid was the youngest in the grade, a massive handicap to those in the know.

So she does what any rational person would do, troll internet posting boards, seeking validation of her parenting skill and spewing venom on redshirted kids and their parents. It’s really cathartic at the end of the day, and much cheaper than therapy. Not as effective though, her rants are getting more and more unhinged.

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument . Thank you!

But you’ve been so forthcoming with sharing personal details in your life especially about giving parents advice on how to raise their kids.

For real though, what college did your kid go to? Because with all the advice you’re dishing out, forgive me, but I want to make sure you’re legit and the final outcome is worthy of paying attention to you. If it’s below William and Mary don’t say anything, we get it, I won’t push it further and you have my sympathy.

My kids are not in college yet but it’s clear you held back to game the system. You did it for your ego vs your kids. I could not care less the ranking and hope mine go to an affordable school so we can pay for college and grad school. Except in a few fields no one cares about rankings except someone like you.

You just proved the point we are making about people like you who are gaming the system. I feel for your kids given how competitive you are.

Why is it gaming the system to hold back a kid until he’s ready to enter kindergarten?

Don’t you want all the kids to do well?

Because they are bigger, stronger, taller, faster, start puberty early for their grade and have more developed brains than the age level kids in their grades. Those factors impact almost everything.

The physical traits only matter in sports and those are by age. The intellectual abilities are not as connected to age and more with learning.

I don’t believe it’s an advantage, but if you believe those things, why didn’t you redshirt you kid? I still don’t understand what the issue is if some parents want to advantage their kids and send them later. We don’t blink an eye at tutors and expensive private schools.

Some sports have ethical policies that go by age not grade, to prevent this nonsense. I have smart kids, good IQ's and we prepared them academically and support as needed. Maybe if you tried that....

He does great academically even without me putting a lot of effort into it. With my career I wouldn’t have the time anyways. He has always been more independent and mature compared to other kids. Based on grades, AP scores and extracurriculars (captain of the varsity swim team) we’re targeting top schools.

Where does your kid go? If it’s around Boston they might end up close, fingers crossed!

This is a pretty typical profile. The more you post, the more you look silly as no reason to hold back. How do they do swimming outside hs where it is age based? How do they just have hs swim as an extra curricular. That’s only like three months out of the year. Funny how competitive you are. It’s sad you admit you put no effort in and your career comes first. He isn’t more mature or independent. He’s one to two years older so he’s equal or less due to the age gap. I feel bad for kids like yours where parents have all kinds of d of priorities that aren’t their kids being first. You held back for you, not him.

Don’t tell me how to raise my child I won’t tell you how to raise yours. Same with family priorities.

Really don’t get what your beef is or why you feel bad. How was that a “bad” outcome for the child? The kid turned out fine, maybe it would have been fine either way. If anything it is an indication that redshirting is not detrimental. In the end it’s a smart kid, doing great academically and socially that has a bright future ahead. That’s the dream of every parent. Mission accomplished, moving on to the next chapter in life.

You aren’t raising your kid. You are too busy with your career. These kids are not smarter and brighter nor more mature. They are with younger peers so you need to put them with age appropriate peers to compare. They may not survive in college never having to work hard or be challenged.

A total of 14 AP scores of 5 throughout high school would beg to differ. In high school the age matters less, there a lot of mixing between younger and older students especially in AP classes. It doesn’t matter. We didn’t care about classmates birthdays but my estimate is he was younger than the average in AP Calculus, older in AP Spanish.

I’m happy about how I raised my kid and where he ended up, actually I’m quite proud of it. Having a career is in my view a positive model for a child that can see the parent being engaged and a productive member of society. My kid absolutely loved career days.

Not sure which ap calc your kid took but mine took bc as a 15 year old. That’s smart. Your kid may be extremely smart but you held them back.

Same, he was in 9th grade, it worked out fine. So what if they were held back, there no prize on who graduates high school the youngest. Holding back worked for us, I don’t see why you are so aggravated by this. Serious trying hard to understand, but I don’t get it.

I hardly doubt he was in 9th and you are probably making this all up. And, if he was in 9th held back doing bc you are proving there was no reason to hold him back. What school system allowed this? It would be very rare. Your posts get more and more bizzare and are proof on why your kid shou,d not have been held back. So, what math are they in now if they did bc as a freshman? And then there is no way they could do 15 aps there are no ap classes in math after calc bc.

You can doubt as much as you like.

AP Statistics in 10th, dual enrollment in 11th, for a total of four semesters of Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra, Differential Equations and Discrete Math, basically exhausting the community college math catalogue. The school also allows AP computer science classes to be taken as math, but he took them as electives, easy 5s. He didn’t do 15 APs, I said 14.

As I said the coursework was plenty challenging, basically he could have earned an AA degree while in high school, but chose not to so that the freshman status is not affected. It worked out great for him college wise.

This child should not have been held back and they are lying about the math. And, probably everything else. No school allows computer science as a math.

DC and few other states allow computer science class to fulfill math requirements in high school.

Read what they are posting. They wouldn't need the math requirement if the child was actually at CC as it would transfer. NOTHING they say makes sense. MD does not and they specifically said MD.

Computer science classes satisfy math requirements in DC and MD, Google to convince yourself. So do classes taken as dual enrollment, that’s why they are called that, they satisfy both college and high school requirements. You have no idea what you’re talking about, just screaming “you lie” left and right picking random bits from posts you don’t like. You really are unhinged, take a break from DCUM for a couple of days it will calm you down.

Md requires four years of math. You are making up stuff. Computer science is a separate requirement. You are required four years of math including algebra and geometry and have to take an algebra test to graduate.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that some of these posters show troubling mental health signs. Really surprised the lack of boundary awareness. We are talking about kids here and people are speculating wildly about special needs, IEP, what was approved, with absolutely no shred of evidence. Ultimately that’s a private matter, leave it to the school and parents.

The comments about taking pleasure in someone’s (a child, none the less!) misfortune were truly repugnant. You’ve got to have a massive chip on your shoulder to stoop so low.

The competition these parents imagine themselves to be in is truly disturbing. The kid starting kindergarten later won’t steal anyone spot at a coveted college or a job later on, life is not that deterministic.

Also the strident chest beating about how great of a mother a poster is for taking care of her special needs child, and judging everyone else by how they compare against how much she did for her kid. Are we competing on who sacrificed most for their kids now? That’s what it seems. The bragging and inquiring about whose kid is more advanced in math, that’s a whole next level of insane competitiveness.

Unfortunately these harpies are lost, there’s no relief in sight, because they think of themselves as heroine mothers and models to follow, the very voice of common sense.

Lol no. The issue is an entitled set of NW moms taking up ALL the air in the room to get their own way. That’s no way to run a school system and we have seen very recent examples of where catering to a coterie of “concerned moms” was disastrous.

Yes this. All of the opposition is because people who think rules don't apply to them are grating. But then the UNW moms create a bunch of straw man arguments and vehemently defend them. That feels like 50 percent of this thread now.

I know! The other 50% is “look how much I did for my child, why can’t you do the same?”

In short, striver mom gets her ivy (lol) hopes high when her kid is taking calculus in 10th grade, only to see them shattered by actual college admission results. Meanwhile, lower “stats” kid gets into UVA. Initially she can’t even comprehend it, but it finally dawn on her, the kid was redshirted, an unfair advantage that negated all her hard work throughout the years. All that kindergarten reading, the algebra in 6th, the tutoring, it was for nothing because her kid was the youngest in the grade, a massive handicap to those in the know.

So she does what any rational person would do, troll internet posting boards, seeking validation of her parenting skill and spewing venom on redshirted kids and their parents. It’s really cathartic at the end of the day, and much cheaper than therapy. Not as effective though, her rants are getting more and more unhinged.

This is a perfect example of a straw man argument . Thank you!

But you’ve been so forthcoming with sharing personal details in your life especially about giving parents advice on how to raise their kids.

For real though, what college did your kid go to? Because with all the advice you’re dishing out, forgive me, but I want to make sure you’re legit and the final outcome is worthy of paying attention to you. If it’s below William and Mary don’t say anything, we get it, I won’t push it further and you have my sympathy.

My kids are not in college yet but it’s clear you held back to game the system. You did it for your ego vs your kids. I could not care less the ranking and hope mine go to an affordable school so we can pay for college and grad school. Except in a few fields no one cares about rankings except someone like you.

You just proved the point we are making about people like you who are gaming the system. I feel for your kids given how competitive you are.

Why is it gaming the system to hold back a kid until he’s ready to enter kindergarten?

Don’t you want all the kids to do well?

Because they are bigger, stronger, taller, faster, start puberty early for their grade and have more developed brains than the age level kids in their grades. Those factors impact almost everything.

The physical traits only matter in sports and those are by age. The intellectual abilities are not as connected to age and more with learning.

I don’t believe it’s an advantage, but if you believe those things, why didn’t you redshirt you kid? I still don’t understand what the issue is if some parents want to advantage their kids and send them later. We don’t blink an eye at tutors and expensive private schools.

Some sports have ethical policies that go by age not grade, to prevent this nonsense. I have smart kids, good IQ's and we prepared them academically and support as needed. Maybe if you tried that....

He does great academically even without me putting a lot of effort into it. With my career I wouldn’t have the time anyways. He has always been more independent and mature compared to other kids. Based on grades, AP scores and extracurriculars (captain of the varsity swim team) we’re targeting top schools.

Where does your kid go? If it’s around Boston they might end up close, fingers crossed!

This is a pretty typical profile. The more you post, the more you look silly as no reason to hold back. How do they do swimming outside hs where it is age based? How do they just have hs swim as an extra curricular. That’s only like three months out of the year. Funny how competitive you are. It’s sad you admit you put no effort in and your career comes first. He isn’t more mature or independent. He’s one to two years older so he’s equal or less due to the age gap. I feel bad for kids like yours where parents have all kinds of d of priorities that aren’t their kids being first. You held back for you, not him.

Don’t tell me how to raise my child I won’t tell you how to raise yours. Same with family priorities.

Really don’t get what your beef is or why you feel bad. How was that a “bad” outcome for the child? The kid turned out fine, maybe it would have been fine either way. If anything it is an indication that redshirting is not detrimental. In the end it’s a smart kid, doing great academically and socially that has a bright future ahead. That’s the dream of every parent. Mission accomplished, moving on to the next chapter in life.

You aren’t raising your kid. You are too busy with your career. These kids are not smarter and brighter nor more mature. They are with younger peers so you need to put them with age appropriate peers to compare. They may not survive in college never having to work hard or be challenged.

A total of 14 AP scores of 5 throughout high school would beg to differ. In high school the age matters less, there a lot of mixing between younger and older students especially in AP classes. It doesn’t matter. We didn’t care about classmates birthdays but my estimate is he was younger than the average in AP Calculus, older in AP Spanish.

I’m happy about how I raised my kid and where he ended up, actually I’m quite proud of it. Having a career is in my view a positive model for a child that can see the parent being engaged and a productive member of society. My kid absolutely loved career days.

Not sure which ap calc your kid took but mine took bc as a 15 year old. That’s smart. Your kid may be extremely smart but you held them back.

Same, he was in 9th grade, it worked out fine. So what if they were held back, there no prize on who graduates high school the youngest. Holding back worked for us, I don’t see why you are so aggravated by this. Serious trying hard to understand, but I don’t get it.

I hardly doubt he was in 9th and you are probably making this all up. And, if he was in 9th held back doing bc you are proving there was no reason to hold him back. What school system allowed this? It would be very rare. Your posts get more and more bizzare and are proof on why your kid shou,d not have been held back. So, what math are they in now if they did bc as a freshman? And then there is no way they could do 15 aps there are no ap classes in math after calc bc.

You can doubt as much as you like.

AP Statistics in 10th, dual enrollment in 11th, for a total of four semesters of Multivariable Calculus, Linear Algebra, Differential Equations and Discrete Math, basically exhausting the community college math catalogue. The school also allows AP computer science classes to be taken as math, but he took them as electives, easy 5s. He didn’t do 15 APs, I said 14.

As I said the coursework was plenty challenging, basically he could have earned an AA degree while in high school, but chose not to so that the freshman status is not affected. It worked out great for him college wise.

This child should not have been held back and they are lying about the math. And, probably everything else. No school allows computer science as a math.

DC and few other states allow computer science class to fulfill math requirements in high school.

Read what they are posting. They wouldn't need the math requirement if the child was actually at CC as it would transfer. NOTHING they say makes sense. MD does not and they specifically said MD.

Computer science classes satisfy math requirements in DC and MD, Google to convince yourself. So do classes taken as dual enrollment, that’s why they are called that, they satisfy both college and high school requirements. You have no idea what you’re talking about, just screaming “you lie” left and right picking random bits from posts you don’t like. You really are unhinged, take a break from DCUM for a couple of days it will calm you down.

Md requires four years of math. You are making up stuff. Computer science is a separate requirement. You are required four years of math including algebra and geometry and have to take an algebra test to graduate.

https://marylandpublicschools.org/about/Documents/DCAA/Math/MMGR/FAQsMathEveryYearEnrollmentRequirements.pdf