Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap

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Anonymous wrote:Karma is a very peculiar thing. Baldwin have always been anti-gun. Now he has to live with this for the rest of his life. Hope he will take some classes and learns how to handle weapon OR don't touch the weapon if he is clueless about guns.

Excuse me but how was being anti-gun deserving of karma?

He spoke openly against use of the guns. His lazy ass never bothered to learn the basics of the gun regulations and how to handle the weapon, because, you know, we should ban all guns. I didn't say he deserved it. But he has to live with this feeling for the rest of his life. I hope he will reconsider his views and will learn something about weapons. It is funny how life teach you something that you refuse to learn.

You don’t know what karma means.

+1. That made absolutely no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

You know there is more than one person here with that opinion right?

I would think that anyone who has grown up around guns or has been trained to use them would view a someone who pulled the trigger as responsible for knowing if a gun is loaded

Exactly. Alec Baldwin seems generally reckless in his behavior.

How about the director who relied on the armorer and assistant director?

I don't really know their history. But people who anti-guns or learning about gun safety should never have a gun.

You don't know that the director was the other person who was shot? Put himself in front of a "cold gun" and asked Baldwin to aim it in his general direction?

The director that was shot is not the same director that handed him the gun.

Procedures were ignored but ultimately Alec is the one that pulled the trigger and killed her

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Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

You know there is more than one person here with that opinion right?

I would think that anyone who has grown up around guns or has been trained to use them would view a someone who pulled the trigger as responsible for knowing if a gun is loaded

Exactly. Alec Baldwin seems generally reckless in his behavior.

How about the director who relied on the armorer and assistant director?

I don't really know their history. But people who anti-guns or learning about gun safety should never have a gun.

You don't know that the director was the other person who was shot? Put himself in front of a "cold gun" and asked Baldwin to aim it in his general direction?

The director that was shot is not the same director that handed him the gun.

Procedures were ignored but ultimately Alec is the one that pulled the trigger and killed her

The director that was shot complimented the armorer on what a great job she was doing. He relied on her and the assistant director, who handed the gun to AB, to do their jobs, and he, the director that was shot, instructed AB to aim the gun in the direction of the camera, where he was.

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After giving this some more consideration, I have to change my position that Alec is definitely at fault. If it went down exactly as he said, and he didn't pull the trigger at all, and the gun just misfired, it's not his fault.

If he did pull the trigger, it's his fault. He is also at fault for perjury in that case.

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Anonymous wrote:After giving this some more consideration, I have to change my position that Alec is definitely at fault. If it went down exactly as he said, and he didn't pull the trigger at all, and the gun just misfired, it's not his fault.

If he did pull the trigger, it's his fault. He is also at fault for perjury in that case.

That's not what perjury means. Is this sarcasm?

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If this was a conservative actor that shot somebody there would be pages here trying to blame just that person instead of blaming everybody else

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Anonymous wrote:If this was a conservative actor that shot somebody there would be pages here trying to blame just that person instead of blaming everybody else

A conservative actor? Who are you thinking of, Chris Pratt? Tom Cruz?

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Anonymous wrote:If this was a conservative actor that shot somebody there would be pages here trying to blame just that person instead of blaming everybody else

Yeah, this thread's getting brigaded by offsite hacks.

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Anonymous wrote:Alec Baldwin is responsible along with others. I love how his PR machine is trying to pin it on everyone else.

If a surgeon is handed a drug and told it is a sedative, then administers it only for the patient to code and they learn it was actually a lethal toxin -- are they responsible? No.

The person whose job it is monitor, secure, and prepare the drugs is.

The surgeon is just the person who physically does the labor. They don't manufacture the drugs or prepare them for use.

Baldwin is just the person who physically does the labor. He doesn't prepare or check the instrument before doing his job.

Anesthesiologists administer drugs, not surgeons.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you hear that an experienced armorer had turned the job down. He said he could tell they were going to cut safety corners, and raised concerns that they expected the armorer to also be responsible for other props (i.e. to wear two hats).

And the AP (who handed AB the gun) had been fired from another set after a crew member was injured by a firearm.

https://www.insider.com/rust-assistant-director-fired-from-another-film-2019-over-gun-2021-10

They contributed to the issue, but the ultimate responsibility is with the person pulling the trigger.

You've told us what you think, regardless of anything else that anyone else has said. B

You know there is more than one person here with that opinion right?

I would think that anyone who has grown up around guns or has been trained to use them would view a someone who pulled the trigger as responsible for knowing if a gun is loaded

I would think anyone would be more interested in what the people who actually work in the industry have to say.

It does not matter what "the industry" says. It’s the 1st rule of holding a gun. Know if it’s loaded.
If "the industry" says drunk driving is ok, does that make it so?

Actually, they do portray drunk driving in movies, but they fake it so that it is safe. The same approach should be taken with firearms.

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All of those so quick to post, from the anonymous safety of your homes...do you speak up when you see something wrong in your work place?

Because it sounds like there were a millton red flags along the way with several of these people, and no one in authority took action. They were about saving money. Or just stayed silent.

So, I hope you all do the right thing when you are in authority.

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Anonymous wrote:After giving this some more consideration, I have to change my position that Alec is definitely at fault. If it went down exactly as he said, and he didn't pull the trigger at all, and the gun just misfired, it's not his fault.

If he did pull the trigger, it's his fault. He is also at fault for perjury in that case.

That's not what perjury means. Is this sarcasm?

No. His signed affidavit that he provided to police says that the gun went off by itself.

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Anonymous wrote:After giving this some more consideration, I have to change my position that Alec is definitely at fault. If it went down exactly as he said, and he didn't pull the trigger at all, and the gun just misfired, it's not his fault.

If he did pull the trigger, it's his fault. He is also at fault for perjury in that case.

That's not what perjury means. Is this sarcasm?

No. His signed affidavit that he provided to police says that the gun went off by itself.

But he still aimed it in the direction of people. You're being inconsistent. Not matter what else was happening, it's still his fault. That's what you've saying for days.

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Anonymous wrote:After giving this some more consideration, I have to change my position that Alec is definitely at fault. If it went down exactly as he said, and he didn't pull the trigger at all, and the gun just misfired, it's not his fault.

If he did pull the trigger, it's his fault. He is also at fault for perjury in that case.

That's not what perjury means. Is this sarcasm?

No. His signed affidavit that he provided to police says that the gun went off by itself.

But he still aimed it in the direction of people. You're being inconsistent. Not matter what else was happening, it's still his fault. That's what you've saying for days.

Dp- AB aimed where he was instructed to aim, and shot the people who instructed him to do it.
This isn’t a simple case.

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Anonymous wrote:After giving this some more consideration, I have to change my position that Alec is definitely at fault. If it went down exactly as he said, and he didn't pull the trigger at all, and the gun just misfired, it's not his fault.

If he did pull the trigger, it's his fault. He is also at fault for perjury in that case.

That's not what perjury means. Is this sarcasm?

No. His signed affidavit that he provided to police says that the gun went off by itself.

But he still aimed it in the direction of people. You're being inconsistent. Not matter what else was happening, it's still his fault. That's what you've saying for days.

Dp- AB aimed where he was instructed to aim, and shot the people who instructed him to do it.
This isn’t a simple case.

Whether he pulled the trigger or not, whether he aimed at the camera or at the people or had only drawn the gun from the holster when it fired, all the ghouls pointing fingers at AB are being ghoulish.

It's not a hard case. The armorer is at fault. To a lesser extent, the sloppy assistant director is at fault. The director and the actor aren't.