Why is testing not part of the reopening plan?

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Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Maybe if they got vaccinated....

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Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

Glad that you feel so confident from the outside. I'm at a DCPS summer program that started 7/5 and still hasn't conducted any asymptomatic testing, despite it being promised weekly

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Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Maybe DCPS recognized that asymptomatic testing wasn't going to be worth the expense and wasn't going to be valuable as a tool for mitigating spread. It's not like the tests are free, and if you've got only a limited amount of money then why not spend it on things that are more likely to mitigate spread.

Idk, maybe DCPS is actually making a calculated decision.

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Do random surveillance testing can help you know on a population level whether cases are rising. They should do that at a minimum.

They should also require vaccination or testing of staff.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

Glad that you feel so confident from the outside. I'm at a DCPS summer program that started 7/5 and still hasn't conducted any asymptomatic testing, despite it being promised weekly

and are all the kids getting sick?

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Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

I'm glad you are so confident. If DCPS does have a plan for the fall, then they are playing it VERY close to the vest, because they haven't shared it with teachers, the public, or at the council hearing last week. At the end of the school year, teacher received an email that all safety procedures, from temperature checks (which were useless anyway) to asymptomatic and symptomatic rapid testing, would be discontinued at the end of June. Other than the mask requirement, there have been no further updates. But sure, they are doing great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

I'm glad you are so confident. If DCPS does have a plan for the fall, then they are playing it VERY close to the vest, because they haven't shared it with teachers, the public, or at the council hearing last week. At the end of the school year, teacher received an email that all safety procedures, from temperature checks (which were useless anyway) to asymptomatic and symptomatic rapid testing, would be discontinued at the end of June. Other than the mask requirement, there have been no further updates. But sure, they are doing great.

"DCPS HAS NO PLAAANNNNN!!" Lol.

Again, based on last year, I'm totally confident in DCPS. Health and safety plans generally are not consensus things - I have no conspiratorial concerns about DCPS "playing it close to the vest."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

Glad that you feel so confident from the outside. I'm at a DCPS summer program that started 7/5 and still hasn't conducted any asymptomatic testing, despite it being promised weekly

Yikes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

Glad that you feel so confident from the outside. I'm at a DCPS summer program that started 7/5 and still hasn't conducted any asymptomatic testing, despite it being promised weekly

Yikes.

I wonder how PP is even aware of this. it’s just 10% and a random sample so her kid wouldn’t be tested at all most likely.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

Glad that you feel so confident from the outside. I'm at a DCPS summer program that started 7/5 and still hasn't conducted any asymptomatic testing, despite it being promised weekly

Yikes.

I wonder how PP is even aware of this. it’s just 10% and a random sample so her kid wouldn’t be tested at all most likely.

I assume it’s a teacher.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

Glad that you feel so confident from the outside. I'm at a DCPS summer program that started 7/5 and still hasn't conducted any asymptomatic testing, despite it being promised weekly

Yikes.

I wonder how PP is even aware of this. it’s just 10% and a random sample so her kid wouldn’t be tested at all most likely.

I assume it’s a teacher.

Correct assumption

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

Glad that you feel so confident from the outside. I'm at a DCPS summer program that started 7/5 and still hasn't conducted any asymptomatic testing, despite it being promised weekly

Yikes.

I wonder how PP is even aware of this. it’s just 10% and a random sample so her kid wouldn’t be tested at all most likely.

I assume it’s a teacher.

Correct assumption

it’s a random selection of 10% of kids - she might not have any kids selected from her class. Anyway, it’s surveillance testing, not screening testing. so it’s not really something to get fixated on IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

Glad that you feel so confident from the outside. I'm at a DCPS summer program that started 7/5 and still hasn't conducted any asymptomatic testing, despite it being promised weekly

Yikes.

I wonder how PP is even aware of this. it’s just 10% and a random sample so her kid wouldn’t be tested at all most likely.

I assume it’s a teacher.

Correct assumption

it’s a random selection of 10% of kids - she might not have any kids selected from her class. Anyway, it’s surveillance testing, not screening testing. so it’s not really something to get fixated on IMO.

You can keep trying to explain it away. I am 100% sure that no testing has been done. It's not even about the lack of the testing, its just another example of DCPS communicating something to placate families, which gives them "full confidence in DCPS", while fulfilling none of their actual promises on the individual school level

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DP. but perhaps a more useful study showing that when prevalence rates are low you can get a large number of false positives even with relatively precise tests.

https://asm.org/Articles/2020/November/SARS-CoV-2-Testing-Sensitivity-Is-Not-the-Whole-St

This. This is why universal asymptomatic testing in our schools probably does more harm than good, especially if every “positive” entails a two week quarantine.

yep. I’m thinking about opting out now.

Opting out of what? There is no plan for asymptomatic testing this year. DCPS isn't going to care about covid until your kids schools start to get it anyway. If kids or adults east of the river are getting sick, it's not going to matter, be sure that is how DC politics work.

Just because the plan hasn’t been announced doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. I’m assuming that it’s likely DCPS will do the surveillance asymptomatic testing like they did last year, plus rapid tests for symptoms that show up in school. If they do pooled testing where any positives are retested, I would probably be ok with that.

And the whole “DCPS has no plaaaannn!!” thing is 100% part of the WTU playbook during negotiations (which are currently ongoing.) I’m not falling for it. DCPS has shown to me it’s managing covid well. Yes there are things I would like to see improved but I have no overall concerns and feel confident in them.

I'm glad you are so confident. If DCPS does have a plan for the fall, then they are playing it VERY close to the vest, because they haven't shared it with teachers, the public, or at the council hearing last week. At the end of the school year, teacher received an email that all safety procedures, from temperature checks (which were useless anyway) to asymptomatic and symptomatic rapid testing, would be discontinued at the end of June. Other than the mask requirement, there have been no further updates. But sure, they are doing great.

"DCPS HAS NO PLAAANNNNN!!" Lol.

Again, based on last year, I'm totally confident in DCPS. Health and safety plans generally are not consensus things - I have no conspiratorial concerns about DCPS "playing it close to the vest."

So they aren't playing it close to the vest, and they aren't announcing any plans....... so what is it that you think they ARE doing?

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Anonymous wrote:If the city could manage false positives better, then I would opt in to testing. But this spring showed us that it can’t. So nope, they won’t be testing my kid again.

what happened with the false positive? a long time out of school?

Good question. Can’t you just test again?

LOL no. You are out of school for two weeks full stop. It doesn't matter if you test again and it is negative.

Original false positive PP here. Correct - a false positive is treated as a positive even if subsequent tests are negative. 2 weeks out of school and all the cancellation of activities for not only my kid, but everyone else's who shares the activity or class. Plus, then you get the health department calling you every day because a false positive doesn't matter to them either- they count it as covid and then want to know everyone you are in contact with.

Our school had a cluster of false positives this spring (a bunch of kids in different grades and classes all came back positive - every single one got a second pcr test that same day and were negative) and they had to essentially shut the school. Nope, no thanks. If DC can't be nuanced about its protocols or policies, then I am not participating.