APS teachers leaving?

[Anonymous]

Yeah - I definitely thought that APS was higher than FCPS and Loudon and more on par with ACPS. I think maybe if you have missed out on step increases is where the differences come in. Am super happy this year with ACPS - at least we got step increase, COL, and a bonus on June 30th - I guess COL and bonus add up to the 5% - we did not get the step increase last year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm an APS teacher. Parents complain about the "systems of schools" all the time. It plays the same every year on the ground. Those schools whose principals take care of their staff and are not toxic have virtually no turnover. The ones that's not so turn over more frequently. I'm seeing the same this year.

Interesting. My child's school had two beloved teachers leave, but I haven't seen a mass exodus. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes though. I guess we'll all find out in the fall just how dire the situation is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an APS teacher. Parents complain about the "systems of schools" all the time. It plays the same every year on the ground. Those schools whose principals take care of their staff and are not toxic have virtually no turnover. The ones that's not so turn over more frequently. I'm seeing the same this year.

Interesting. My child's school had two beloved teachers leave, but I haven't seen a mass exodus. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes though. I guess we'll all find out in the fall just how dire the situation is.

It could be just a coincidence with two teachers, but usually that’s what you start seeing when there is bad leadership. The good teachers have other options, and they leave. Over time, the school staff is comprised of all the dead weight that couldn’t get out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm an APS teacher. Parents complain about the "systems of schools" all the time. It plays the same every year on the ground. Those schools whose principals take care of their staff and are not toxic have virtually no turnover. The ones that's not so turn over more frequently. I'm seeing the same this year.

Interesting. My child's school had two beloved teachers leave, but I haven't seen a mass exodus. I don't know what's going on behind the scenes though. I guess we'll all find out in the fall just how dire the situation is.

It could be just a coincidence with two teachers, but usually that’s what you start seeing when there is bad leadership. The good teachers have other options, and they leave. Over time, the school staff is comprised of all the dead weight that couldn’t get out.

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Two teachers are really not a lot, though! I wouldn’t read too much into that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah - I definitely thought that APS was higher than FCPS and Loudon and more on par with ACPS. I think maybe if you have missed out on step increases is where the differences come in. Am super happy this year with ACPS - at least we got step increase, COL, and a bonus on June 30th - I guess COL and bonus add up to the 5% - we did not get the step increase last year.

Yeah, but class sizes also got bigger. Sorry kids, but private school or homeschooling is the way to go at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of APS students have left, too.

But they are likely coming back after a year when pandemic is truly over; then the system will be overcrowded AND understaffed.

Still no plans for HS overcrowding right?

I wouldn’t count on it. Many private schools offer a better product. Hard to return to your overcrowded public school…

Having worked at both- LOL. Private schools sometimes do some interesting things, but the people who graduate private schools mostly do well in life because they’re from a socioeconomic situation that allows them to afford private schools, not because they went to private school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of APS students have left, too.

But they are likely coming back after a year when pandemic is truly over; then the system will be overcrowded AND understaffed.

Still no plans for HS overcrowding right?

I wouldn’t count on it. Many private schools offer a better product. Hard to return to your overcrowded public school…

Having worked at both- LOL. Private schools sometimes do some interesting things, but the people who graduate private schools mostly do well in life because they’re from a socioeconomic situation that allows them to afford private schools, not because they went to private school.

Yep, “mostly”.

Please tell me what product is better:

1. Overcrowded school focused on state test results. I’m addition to huge class sizes, there are many students that don’t speak English, many students that have parents that work multiple jobs (don’t have time to read to their kids each night, or income to supplement outside of school), and students with all sorts of disabilities ranging from mild to severe — Oh, and they all have to be mainstreamed into the same classroom.

So sure, you aren’t wrong that socioeconomic status matters with these things, but having a small, homogenous group of learners in a classroom matters, too. Everyone speaks English. No moderate-to-severe disabilities to accommodate, etc.

It’s a different product. Don’t kid yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of APS students have left, too.

But they are likely coming back after a year when pandemic is truly over; then the system will be overcrowded AND understaffed.

Still no plans for HS overcrowding right?

I wouldn’t count on it. Many private schools offer a better product. Hard to return to your overcrowded public school…

Having worked at both- LOL. Private schools sometimes do some interesting things, but the people who graduate private schools mostly do well in life because they’re from a socioeconomic situation that allows them to afford private schools, not because they went to private school.

Yep, “mostly”.

Please tell me what product is better:

1. Overcrowded school focused on state test results. I’m addition to huge class sizes, there are many students that don’t speak English, many students that have parents that work multiple jobs (don’t have time to read to their kids each night, or income to supplement outside of school), and students with all sorts of disabilities ranging from mild to severe — Oh, and they all have to be mainstreamed into the same classroom.

So sure, you aren’t wrong that socioeconomic status matters with these things, but having a small, homogenous group of learners in a classroom matters, too. Everyone speaks English. No moderate-to-severe disabilities to accommodate, etc.

It’s a different product. Don’t kid yourself.

Well, you really didn’t write this well, but you’re not wrong…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of APS students have left, too.

But they are likely coming back after a year when pandemic is truly over; then the system will be overcrowded AND understaffed.

Still no plans for HS overcrowding right?

I wouldn’t count on it. Many private schools offer a better product. Hard to return to your overcrowded public school…

Having worked at both- LOL. Private schools sometimes do some interesting things, but the people who graduate private schools mostly do well in life because they’re from a socioeconomic situation that allows them to afford private schools, not because they went to private school.

Yep, “mostly”.

Please tell me what product is better:

1. Overcrowded school focused on state test results. I’m addition to huge class sizes, there are many students that don’t speak English, many students that have parents that work multiple jobs (don’t have time to read to their kids each night, or income to supplement outside of school), and students with all sorts of disabilities ranging from mild to severe — Oh, and they all have to be mainstreamed into the same classroom.

So sure, you aren’t wrong that socioeconomic status matters with these things, but having a small, homogenous group of learners in a classroom matters, too. Everyone speaks English. No moderate-to-severe disabilities to accommodate, etc.

It’s a different product. Don’t kid yourself.

oh, it’s definitely a different product. But it’s not a better product.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of APS students have left, too.

But they are likely coming back after a year when pandemic is truly over; then the system will be overcrowded AND understaffed.

Still no plans for HS overcrowding right?

I wouldn’t count on it. Many private schools offer a better product. Hard to return to your overcrowded public school…

Having worked at both- LOL. Private schools sometimes do some interesting things, but the people who graduate private schools mostly do well in life because they’re from a socioeconomic situation that allows them to afford private schools, not because they went to private school.

Yep, “mostly”.

Please tell me what product is better:

1. Overcrowded school focused on state test results. I’m addition to huge class sizes, there are many students that don’t speak English, many students that have parents that work multiple jobs (don’t have time to read to their kids each night, or income to supplement outside of school), and students with all sorts of disabilities ranging from mild to severe — Oh, and they all have to be mainstreamed into the same classroom.

So sure, you aren’t wrong that socioeconomic status matters with these things, but having a small, homogenous group of learners in a classroom matters, too. Everyone speaks English. No moderate-to-severe disabilities to accommodate, etc.

It’s a different product. Don’t kid yourself.

oh, it’s definitely a different product. But it’s not a better product.

Exactly what someone who can’t afford it would say. The outcomes, even for those that aren’t wealthy or well-connected, speak for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of APS students have left, too.

But they are likely coming back after a year when pandemic is truly over; then the system will be overcrowded AND understaffed.

Still no plans for HS overcrowding right?

I wouldn’t count on it. Many private schools offer a better product. Hard to return to your overcrowded public school…

Having worked at both- LOL. Private schools sometimes do some interesting things, but the people who graduate private schools mostly do well in life because they’re from a socioeconomic situation that allows them to afford private schools, not because they went to private school.

Yep, “mostly”.

Please tell me what product is better:

1. Overcrowded school focused on state test results. I’m addition to huge class sizes, there are many students that don’t speak English, many students that have parents that work multiple jobs (don’t have time to read to their kids each night, or income to supplement outside of school), and students with all sorts of disabilities ranging from mild to severe — Oh, and they all have to be mainstreamed into the same classroom.

So sure, you aren’t wrong that socioeconomic status matters with these things, but having a small, homogenous group of learners in a classroom matters, too. Everyone speaks English. No moderate-to-severe disabilities to accommodate, etc.

It’s a different product. Don’t kid yourself.

oh, it’s definitely a different product. But it’s not a better product.

Exactly what someone who can’t afford it would say. The outcomes, even for those that aren’t wealthy or well-connected, speak for themselves.

Why are you commenting on a public school education board when you value private schools? You're better than us? Okay then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of APS students have left, too.

But they are likely coming back after a year when pandemic is truly over; then the system will be overcrowded AND understaffed.

Still no plans for HS overcrowding right?

I wouldn’t count on it. Many private schools offer a better product. Hard to return to your overcrowded public school…

Having worked at both- LOL. Private schools sometimes do some interesting things, but the people who graduate private schools mostly do well in life because they’re from a socioeconomic situation that allows them to afford private schools, not because they went to private school.

Yep, “mostly”.

Please tell me what product is better:

1. Overcrowded school focused on state test results. I’m addition to huge class sizes, there are many students that don’t speak English, many students that have parents that work multiple jobs (don’t have time to read to their kids each night, or income to supplement outside of school), and students with all sorts of disabilities ranging from mild to severe — Oh, and they all have to be mainstreamed into the same classroom.

So sure, you aren’t wrong that socioeconomic status matters with these things, but having a small, homogenous group of learners in a classroom matters, too. Everyone speaks English. No moderate-to-severe disabilities to accommodate, etc.

It’s a different product. Don’t kid yourself.

oh, it’s definitely a different product. But it’s not a better product.

Exactly what someone who can’t afford it would say. The outcomes, even for those that aren’t wealthy or well-connected, speak for themselves.

Classist asshole says what?

Look, dude, I’m sorry you’re throwing $30k/yr+ down the toilet so you can put a sticker on your car that makes you feel better about your own personal failures as a parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of APS students have left, too.

But they are likely coming back after a year when pandemic is truly over; then the system will be overcrowded AND understaffed.

Still no plans for HS overcrowding right?

I wouldn’t count on it. Many private schools offer a better product. Hard to return to your overcrowded public school…

Having worked at both- LOL. Private schools sometimes do some interesting things, but the people who graduate private schools mostly do well in life because they’re from a socioeconomic situation that allows them to afford private schools, not because they went to private school.

Yep, “mostly”.

Please tell me what product is better:

1. Overcrowded school focused on state test results. I’m addition to huge class sizes, there are many students that don’t speak English, many students that have parents that work multiple jobs (don’t have time to read to their kids each night, or income to supplement outside of school), and students with all sorts of disabilities ranging from mild to severe — Oh, and they all have to be mainstreamed into the same classroom.

So sure, you aren’t wrong that socioeconomic status matters with these things, but having a small, homogenous group of learners in a classroom matters, too. Everyone speaks English. No moderate-to-severe disabilities to accommodate, etc.

It’s a different product. Don’t kid yourself.

oh, it’s definitely a different product. But it’s not a better product.

Exactly what someone who can’t afford it would say. The outcomes, even for those that aren’t wealthy or well-connected, speak for themselves.

"How do I protect my kid from going to school with the unwashed masses?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of APS students have left, too.

But they are likely coming back after a year when pandemic is truly over; then the system will be overcrowded AND understaffed.

Still no plans for HS overcrowding right?

I wouldn’t count on it. Many private schools offer a better product. Hard to return to your overcrowded public school…

Having worked at both- LOL. Private schools sometimes do some interesting things, but the people who graduate private schools mostly do well in life because they’re from a socioeconomic situation that allows them to afford private schools, not because they went to private school.

Yep, “mostly”.

Please tell me what product is better:

1. Overcrowded school focused on state test results. I’m addition to huge class sizes, there are many students that don’t speak English, many students that have parents that work multiple jobs (don’t have time to read to their kids each night, or income to supplement outside of school), and students with all sorts of disabilities ranging from mild to severe — Oh, and they all have to be mainstreamed into the same classroom.

So sure, you aren’t wrong that socioeconomic status matters with these things, but having a small, homogenous group of learners in a classroom matters, too. Everyone speaks English. No moderate-to-severe disabilities to accommodate, etc.

It’s a different product. Don’t kid yourself.

oh, it’s definitely a different product. But it’s not a better product.

Exactly what someone who can’t afford it would say. The outcomes, even for those that aren’t wealthy or well-connected, speak for themselves.

"How do I protect my kid from going to school with the unwashed masses?"

DP. Classes are too big to have ESL etc mainstreamed into classes. We need more small group support for them; we could even have bigger mainstream classes in that scenario. But it still would cost more so won’t happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A lot of APS students have left, too.

But they are likely coming back after a year when pandemic is truly over; then the system will be overcrowded AND understaffed.

Still no plans for HS overcrowding right?

I wouldn’t count on it. Many private schools offer a better product. Hard to return to your overcrowded public school…

Having worked at both- LOL. Private schools sometimes do some interesting things, but the people who graduate private schools mostly do well in life because they’re from a socioeconomic situation that allows them to afford private schools, not because they went to private school.

Yep, “mostly”.

Please tell me what product is better:

1. Overcrowded school focused on state test results. I’m addition to huge class sizes, there are many students that don’t speak English, many students that have parents that work multiple jobs (don’t have time to read to their kids each night, or income to supplement outside of school), and students with all sorts of disabilities ranging from mild to severe — Oh, and they all have to be mainstreamed into the same classroom.

So sure, you aren’t wrong that socioeconomic status matters with these things, but having a small, homogenous group of learners in a classroom matters, too. Everyone speaks English. No moderate-to-severe disabilities to accommodate, etc.

It’s a different product. Don’t kid yourself.

oh, it’s definitely a different product. But it’s not a better product.

Exactly what someone who can’t afford it would say. The outcomes, even for those that aren’t wealthy or well-connected, speak for themselves.

"How do I protect my kid from going to school with the unwashed masses?"

DP. Classes are too big to have ESL etc mainstreamed into classes. We need more small group support for them; we could even have bigger mainstream classes in that scenario. But it still would cost more so won’t happen.

Yes you certainly answered your own question