Why is Janney not fully open 4 days a week vs Murch and Lafayette?

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t exactly understand how the decisions from Q3 meant that the offerings for Q4 were so slim. Can someone spell it out? Kids couldn’t switch teachers? But they did at Lafayette.

Lafayette is not following the 3ft rule. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were not following this rule. Lafayette is also failing to provide teachers with proper breaks. Under contract teachers are to receive 45 min lunch breaks. At best they are getting 25 mins and are in the classroom unable to leave for bathroom breaks the rest of the day.

OMG. If teachers are complaining about not getting 45 minute breaks at this point, they should leave the profession.

DCPS is hemorrhaging students and will continue to do so if it cannot educate its students. Applications were down 20% to myschooldc -- and that's the first statistic in.

They are going to have to lay off a ton of teachers. And if this is the attitude of those teachers, I applaud those pinkslips.

Don’t worry, a lot of teachers are planning on leaving. Teachers have a right to what their contract says. You have no idea what conditions are in the building.

Contracts were not written with a pandemic in mind. In unusual times, professionals need to offer some grace and flexibility.

Oh shut up. As a self contained teacher I need my FULL lunch. ALL teachers deserve their full lunch, the fact that you think we should be 'flexible' for such a thing is disgusting.

And oh, if we are going to play the pandemic game then 'oh it's a pandemic so you can have DL, why don't you be flexible and keep your kid at home UNTIL it's over?'
After all, one has to be 'flexible.'

I feel so thankful my parents aren't nasty like this. I am flexible about my planning time, I should have 45 min a day but I have 2 hours on Wednesday. That's fine, I knew IPL would have some kinks because we have no specials.
A 25 minute lunch everyday is not fine and illegal BTW. Not due to teacher contracts but actual labor laws that base how much break time one gets, based on the number of hours worked a day.

I think teachers should get the regular amount of time for lunch.

My MSer gets less than 3/5ths of the live instructional time (DL or IPL) than in a normal year. Where does that extra 2/5ths go? What are teachers doing during the time they usually spend teaching? Does that all go to planning?

The other students! Why do parents ask this question when you know the answer? When I taught DL last year students got less time only because I had to break up groups and do 1:1’s.
I do realize some teachers are smarmy but it’s also because your school is likely smarmy too. My admin literally popped up on teachers to make sure we were in the appropriate place at the appropriate times.

How is your child getting less time in IPL? Just because of half day Wednesdays? My school is out 12:15 Wednesdays then I have lunch until 1. LEAP at 1-2pm then planning 2-4 lol or lately stupid SEL staff meeting 3-4pm. The day is then done, it’s not like I got planning 8-4pm...

My kid doesn’t get IPL. She gets 2 hours and 15 mins of instructional time per day or 9 hrs per week. 9. There is no in-class time on Wednesdays for any student in her school. Some students get pullouts; others get none. Are teachers doing over 20 hours of 1:1 and planning every week?

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t exactly understand how the decisions from Q3 meant that the offerings for Q4 were so slim. Can someone spell it out? Kids couldn’t switch teachers? But they did at Lafayette.

Lafayette is not following the 3ft rule. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were not following this rule. Lafayette is also failing to provide teachers with proper breaks. Under contract teachers are to receive 45 min lunch breaks. At best they are getting 25 mins and are in the classroom unable to leave for bathroom breaks the rest of the day.

OMG. If teachers are complaining about not getting 45 minute breaks at this point, they should leave the profession.

DCPS is hemorrhaging students and will continue to do so if it cannot educate its students. Applications were down 20% to myschooldc -- and that's the first statistic in.

They are going to have to lay off a ton of teachers. And if this is the attitude of those teachers, I applaud those pinkslips.

Don’t worry, a lot of teachers are planning on leaving. Teachers have a right to what their contract says. You have no idea what conditions are in the building.

Contracts were not written with a pandemic in mind. In unusual times, professionals need to offer some grace and flexibility.

Oh shut up. As a self contained teacher I need my FULL lunch. ALL teachers deserve their full lunch, the fact that you think we should be 'flexible' for such a thing is disgusting.

And oh, if we are going to play the pandemic game then 'oh it's a pandemic so you can have DL, why don't you be flexible and keep your kid at home UNTIL it's over?'
After all, one has to be 'flexible.'

I feel so thankful my parents aren't nasty like this. I am flexible about my planning time, I should have 45 min a day but I have 2 hours on Wednesday. That's fine, I knew IPL would have some kinks because we have no specials.
A 25 minute lunch everyday is not fine and illegal BTW. Not due to teacher contracts but actual labor laws that base how much break time one gets, based on the number of hours worked a day.

I think teachers should get the regular amount of time for lunch.

My MSer gets less than 3/5ths of the live instructional time (DL or IPL) than in a normal year. Where does that extra 2/5ths go? What are teachers doing during the time they usually spend teaching? Does that all go to planning?

The other students! Why do parents ask this question when you know the answer? When I taught DL last year students got less time only because I had to break up groups and do 1:1’s.
I do realize some teachers are smarmy but it’s also because your school is likely smarmy too. My admin literally popped up on teachers to make sure we were in the appropriate place at the appropriate times.

How is your child getting less time in IPL? Just because of half day Wednesdays? My school is out 12:15 Wednesdays then I have lunch until 1. LEAP at 1-2pm then planning 2-4 lol or lately stupid SEL staff meeting 3-4pm. The day is then done, it’s not like I got planning 8-4pm...

My kid doesn’t get IPL. She gets 2 hours and 15 mins of instructional time per day or 9 hrs per week. 9. There is no in-class time on Wednesdays for any student in her school. Some students get pullouts; others get none. Are teachers doing over 20 hours of 1:1 and planning every week?

I also don't understand all this time going to 1:1s and not class time.

Why is this happening - this 1:1 time wasn't available nor was it where teachers were spending their time when kids were in actual school.

I'm aware it is an option but my kids grades are fine and he and his teachers claim everything is fine even though we are skeptical our kid is learning much of anything but our kid is a tweener - he is neither a trouble maker nor an outstanding student so he isn't going to get noticed and flagged for extra attention at either end of the spectrum (and I suspect this is probably where 80% of the kids are) but he is barely in school to accommodate all of this 1:1 time?

I continue to be baffled that 13 months into this the kids don't have full schedules and are off on Wednesdays - my work is all virtual now and we don't have hours of time between meetings and extra planning time for those meetings - I often have days where I go from virtual call to virtual call.

Meanwhile my kids are lucky to get 3 hours of virtual learning a day and have nothing on Wednesdays.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t exactly understand how the decisions from Q3 meant that the offerings for Q4 were so slim. Can someone spell it out? Kids couldn’t switch teachers? But they did at Lafayette.

Lafayette is not following the 3ft rule. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were not following this rule. Lafayette is also failing to provide teachers with proper breaks. Under contract teachers are to receive 45 min lunch breaks. At best they are getting 25 mins and are in the classroom unable to leave for bathroom breaks the rest of the day.

OMG. If teachers are complaining about not getting 45 minute breaks at this point, they should leave the profession.

DCPS is hemorrhaging students and will continue to do so if it cannot educate its students. Applications were down 20% to myschooldc -- and that's the first statistic in.

They are going to have to lay off a ton of teachers. And if this is the attitude of those teachers, I applaud those pinkslips.

No one cares what you “applaud.”

And if you’re fine with teachers not getting contracted breaks to eat or pee so you can make your kids someone else’s problem, congratulations on being a garbage person.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t exactly understand how the decisions from Q3 meant that the offerings for Q4 were so slim. Can someone spell it out? Kids couldn’t switch teachers? But they did at Lafayette.

Lafayette is not following the 3ft rule. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were not following this rule. Lafayette is also failing to provide teachers with proper breaks. Under contract teachers are to receive 45 min lunch breaks. At best they are getting 25 mins and are in the classroom unable to leave for bathroom breaks the rest of the day.

OMG. If teachers are complaining about not getting 45 minute breaks at this point, they should leave the profession.

DCPS is hemorrhaging students and will continue to do so if it cannot educate its students. Applications were down 20% to myschooldc -- and that's the first statistic in.

They are going to have to lay off a ton of teachers. And if this is the attitude of those teachers, I applaud those pinkslips.

Don’t worry, a lot of teachers are planning on leaving. Teachers have a right to what their contract says. You have no idea what conditions are in the building.

Contracts were not written with a pandemic in mind. In unusual times, professionals need to offer some grace and flexibility.

With the same grace and flexibility you have afforded the schools?

NAILED IT.

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Can anyone further explain the need for so much 1:1 and planning time each week?

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone further explain the need for so much 1:1 and planning time each week?

There has always been this much 1:1 and small group time. Usually your kid is given busy work or “work time” so the teachers can meet with small groups. They have just been at school so your never noticed it.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone further explain the need for so much 1:1 and planning time each week?

There has always been this much 1:1 and small group time. Usually your kid is given busy work or “work time” so the teachers can meet with small groups. They have just been at school so your never noticed it.

DP. 1:1 time never happened at our DCPS 3rd grade. My son struggles and would have gotten 1:1 if they were doing it. It wasn’t for small groups either. The few times there were small groups, it was during regularly scheduled DL class time. There is no escaping the math that kids were getting far, far less instructional time. I’m kind of gobsmacked that this was allowed to continue for so long.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone further explain the need for so much 1:1 and planning time each week?

There has always been this much 1:1 and small group time. Usually your kid is given busy work or “work time” so the teachers can meet with small groups. They have just been at school so your never noticed it.

DP. 1:1 time never happened at our DCPS 3rd grade. My son struggles and would have gotten 1:1 if they were doing it. It wasn’t for small groups either. The few times there were small groups, it was during regularly scheduled DL class time. There is no escaping the math that kids were getting far, far less instructional time. I’m kind of gobsmacked that this was allowed to continue for so long.

Well you should have complained to the principal about it. At much school we had to account for every single minute between 8:30-3:30. Every single one had to be filled with something. Whole group, small group, 1:1, lunch, planning.

Your problem is a school problem. Lack of teacher probably occurs when in the building too

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone further explain the need for so much 1:1 and planning time each week?

There has always been this much 1:1 and small group time. Usually your kid is given busy work or “work time” so the teachers can meet with small groups. They have just been at school so your never noticed it.

DP. 1:1 time never happened at our DCPS 3rd grade. My son struggles and would have gotten 1:1 if they were doing it. It wasn’t for small groups either. The few times there were small groups, it was during regularly scheduled DL class time. There is no escaping the math that kids were getting far, far less instructional time. I’m kind of gobsmacked that this was allowed to continue for so long.

Well you should have complained to the principal about it. At much school we had to account for every single minute between 8:30-3:30. Every single one had to be filled with something. Whole group, small group, 1:1, lunch, planning.

Your problem is a school problem. Lack of teacher probably occurs when in the building too

Do you mean during regular school or DL? During regular MS, there is group work during class. Class is five times per week. There is group work during class in DL. Class is twice per week. The math doesn’t add up.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone further explain the need for so much 1:1 and planning time each week?

There has always been this much 1:1 and small group time. Usually your kid is given busy work or “work time” so the teachers can meet with small groups. They have just been at school so your never noticed it.

DP. 1:1 time never happened at our DCPS 3rd grade. My son struggles and would have gotten 1:1 if they were doing it. It wasn’t for small groups either. The few times there were small groups, it was during regularly scheduled DL class time. There is no escaping the math that kids were getting far, far less instructional time. I’m kind of gobsmacked that this was allowed to continue for so long.

Well you should have complained to the principal about it. At much school we had to account for every single minute between 8:30-3:30. Every single one had to be filled with something. Whole group, small group, 1:1, lunch, planning.

Your problem is a school problem. Lack of teacher probably occurs when in the building too

Do you mean during regular school or DL? During regular MS, there is group work during class. Class is five times per week. There is group work during class in DL. Class is twice per week. The math doesn’t add up.

I'm wondering if you expect a full 8:45-3:15pm schedule?

How many kids can handle staring at a screen for 3-4 hours straight? And how successful would it be if your kid had to be online the whole time but without a teacher at some points, like a small group of kids work on what they normally would in person.

Do you expect the teacher to clone themselves or do ONLY whole group lessons?

It seems you are just wildly salty about your specific teacher. DCPS has allot teacher at least 5 hours of planning a week in pandemic time, individual schools can make it more.
There is also a minimum of online live time they must have and it's not the whole day.

That is not the teacher's issue, I have no clue what it is for middle schoolers but if she's making that time there's nothing you can say or do because at this point in time that is what the job requires.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone further explain the need for so much 1:1 and planning time each week?

There has always been this much 1:1 and small group time. Usually your kid is given busy work or “work time” so the teachers can meet with small groups. They have just been at school so your never noticed it.

DP. 1:1 time never happened at our DCPS 3rd grade. My son struggles and would have gotten 1:1 if they were doing it. It wasn’t for small groups either. The few times there were small groups, it was during regularly scheduled DL class time. There is no escaping the math that kids were getting far, far less instructional time. I’m kind of gobsmacked that this was allowed to continue for so long.

Well you should have complained to the principal about it. At much school we had to account for every single minute between 8:30-3:30. Every single one had to be filled with something. Whole group, small group, 1:1, lunch, planning.

Your problem is a school problem. Lack of teacher probably occurs when in the building too

Do you mean during regular school or DL? During regular MS, there is group work during class. Class is five times per week. There is group work during class in DL. Class is twice per week. The math doesn’t add up.

Oh sorry I was talking about elementary. I thought you were too since the title is Janney vs Murch. I’m not sure what middle schools are doing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone further explain the need for so much 1:1 and planning time each week?

There has always been this much 1:1 and small group time. Usually your kid is given busy work or “work time” so the teachers can meet with small groups. They have just been at school so your never noticed it.

DP. 1:1 time never happened at our DCPS 3rd grade. My son struggles and would have gotten 1:1 if they were doing it. It wasn’t for small groups either. The few times there were small groups, it was during regularly scheduled DL class time. There is no escaping the math that kids were getting far, far less instructional time. I’m kind of gobsmacked that this was allowed to continue for so long.

Well you should have complained to the principal about it. At much school we had to account for every single minute between 8:30-3:30. Every single one had to be filled with something. Whole group, small group, 1:1, lunch, planning.

Your problem is a school problem. Lack of teacher probably occurs when in the building too

Do you mean during regular school or DL? During regular MS, there is group work during class. Class is five times per week. There is group work during class in DL. Class is twice per week. The math doesn’t add up.

I'm wondering if you expect a full 8:45-3:15pm schedule?

How many kids can handle staring at a screen for 3-4 hours straight? And how successful would it be if your kid had to be online the whole time but without a teacher at some points, like a small group of kids work on what they normally would in person.

Do you expect the teacher to clone themselves or do ONLY whole group lessons?

It seems you are just wildly salty about your specific teacher. DCPS has allot teacher at least 5 hours of planning a week in pandemic time, individual schools can make it more.
There is also a minimum of online live time they must have and it's not the whole day.

That is not the teacher's issue, I have no clue what it is for middle schoolers but if she's making that time there's nothing you can say or do because at this point in time that is what the job requires.

DP. No, I don’t think kids should stare at a screen for 4 hrs. that’s why schools need to reopen. but absolutamente DL should have been more intensive and taken more advantage of the format. Some charters managed DL much better by hiring additional staff to provide small groups.

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Wow. Glad I am not at Janney. I feel for the community. Lafayette really came through for us. I used to have Janney envy. So did many Lafayette parents.

[Anonymous]

We complained to Lutz about the lack of sufficient IPL for kids and she literally told us to talk to the teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:We complained to Lutz about the lack of sufficient IPL for kids and she literally told us to talk to the teachers.

Wow. Is that how the remaining second grade teachers were persuaded to come back at the last second? Did they realize what a bad look it was to have three of the five second grade classes IP while the other two only got CARES classrooms?