Those of you with kids in both AAP and gen ed...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know AAP parents don’t want I hear this but it’s a washout come high school. If the kid is bright and has good home support, they will end up in the same classes. Things that made a difference-love of reading, solid extracurriculars, encouraging them to pursue their interests.
The saddest part of all of this is that kids pick up on this whole AAP vs. not AAP in lower grades.

I think if you study the data - most AAP kids will do better in high school. There will be some outliers who don’t. And the reverse is true - there will be some outliers not in AAP who do just as well as the kids in AAP but it won’t be the majority.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the difference in middle school? Does it improve once gen ed kids can take honors?

Of course. And once high school rolls around and kids are free to take APs, there is no difference at all. It’s a shame FCPS sees fit to separate these kids at an early age. They all wind up together in high school anyway.

They don't all wind up together. Not by a long shot. The differences in classes kids take in high school is astounding compared to the difference between AAP and gen ed. There may be some more mixing of kids, but the discrepancy of classes is much larger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I keep reading on this thread that AAP vs non AAP is a wash once the kids get to middle school.

If this is the case, why have AAP in elementary at all?

You probably don’t have a 2E kid so your kid doesn’t need it. I think AAP is best for 2E kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah. The top 10% of the kids left behind in gen ed are completely indistinguishable from the bottom half in AAP.

Which is why FCPS has a level 3 program. The handle the top 10% of kids left behind in general ed. I think they do a decent job of all of this. They even allow moving of kids for math or language arts based on ability now at most schools. And our LLIV program mixed all the kids for social studies and science. Maybe AAP is not needed as a label, but most schools in America have a higher level math and language arts program in elementary. FCPS will do a disservice to kids if they don't keep it in some fashion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the difference in middle school? Does it improve once gen ed kids can take honors?

Of course. And once high school rolls around and kids are free to take APs, there is no difference at all. It’s a shame FCPS sees fit to separate these kids at an early age. They all wind up together in high school anyway.

They don't all wind up together. Not by a long shot. The differences in classes kids take in high school is astounding compared to the difference between AAP and gen ed. There may be some more mixing of kids, but the discrepancy of classes is much larger.

The bright gen ed kids and AAP kids do end up together PP. The lower performing gen ed kids do not end up in the higher level classes.

[Anonymous]

The difference between an AP English class and a gen ed English class in high school can be four years worth of school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah. The top 10% of the kids left behind in gen ed are completely indistinguishable from the bottom half in AAP.

Which is why FCPS has a level 3 program. The handle the top 10% of kids left behind in general ed. I think they do a decent job of all of this. They even allow moving of kids for math or language arts based on ability now at most schools. And our LLIV program mixed all the kids for social studies and science. Maybe AAP is not needed as a label, but most schools in America have a higher level math and language arts program in elementary. FCPS will do a disservice to kids if they don't keep it in some fashion.

True but the delivery is inconsistent PP, which is why there is such a push to get your kid in AAP. Level 3 is such a hit or miss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The difference between an AP English class and a gen ed English class in high school can be four years worth of school.

No one is arguing with that; they are saying that bright ES gen ed kids will be taking that AP class right along with your AAP kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the difference in middle school? Does it improve once gen ed kids can take honors?

Of course. And once high school rolls around and kids are free to take APs, there is no difference at all. It’s a shame FCPS sees fit to separate these kids at an early age. They all wind up together in high school anyway.

They don't all wind up together. Not by a long shot. The differences in classes kids take in high school is astounding compared to the difference between AAP and gen ed. There may be some more mixing of kids, but the discrepancy of classes is much larger.

Curious-you know this because you are a teacher?

[Anonymous]

I would love for teachers to weigh on this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know AAP parents don’t want I hear this but it’s a washout come high school. If the kid is bright and has good home support, they will end up in the same classes. Things that made a difference-love of reading, solid extracurriculars, encouraging them to pursue their interests.
The saddest part of all of this is that kids pick up on this whole AAP vs. not AAP in lower grades.

I think if you study the data - most AAP kids will do better in high school. There will be some outliers who don’t. And the reverse is true - there will be some outliers not in AAP who do just as well as the kids in AAP but it won’t be the majority.

This input was shared by teacher fwiw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know AAP parents don’t want I hear this but it’s a washout come high school. If the kid is bright and has good home support, they will end up in the same classes. Things that made a difference-love of reading, solid extracurriculars, encouraging them to pursue their interests.
The saddest part of all of this is that kids pick up on this whole AAP vs. not AAP in lower grades.

I think if you study the data - most AAP kids will do better in high school. There will be some outliers who don’t. And the reverse is true - there will be some outliers not in AAP who do just as well as the kids in AAP but it won’t be the majority.

This input was shared by teacher fwiw.

Again-we are not talking about below average to average gen ed kids vs. AAP kids; we are talking about kids who are bright but did not make into the level IV program vs. AAP kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah. The top 10% of the kids left behind in gen ed are completely indistinguishable from the bottom half in AAP.

Which is why FCPS has a level 3 program. The handle the top 10% of kids left behind in general ed. I think they do a decent job of all of this. They even allow moving of kids for math or language arts based on ability now at most schools. And our LLIV program mixed all the kids for social studies and science. Maybe AAP is not needed as a label, but most schools in America have a higher level math and language arts program in elementary. FCPS will do a disservice to kids if they don't keep it in some fashion.

True but the delivery is inconsistent PP, which is why there is such a push to get your kid in AAP. Level 3 is such a hit or miss.

BTW, this is OP-my kid is level 3 but I still consider that gen ed. There is no level 3/pull outs in middle school, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know AAP parents don’t want I hear this but it’s a washout come high school. If the kid is bright and has good home support, they will end up in the same classes. Things that made a difference-love of reading, solid extracurriculars, encouraging them to pursue their interests.
The saddest part of all of this is that kids pick up on this whole AAP vs. not AAP in lower grades.

I think if you study the data - most AAP kids will do better in high school. There will be some outliers who don’t. And the reverse is true - there will be some outliers not in AAP who do just as well as the kids in AAP but it won’t be the majority.

This input was shared by teacher fwiw.

Again-we are not talking about below average to average gen ed kids vs. AAP kids; we are talking about kids who are bright but did not make into the level IV program vs. AAP kids.

Ok, then I think you agree with what I said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know AAP parents don’t want I hear this but it’s a washout come high school. If the kid is bright and has good home support, they will end up in the same classes. Things that made a difference-love of reading, solid extracurriculars, encouraging them to pursue their interests.
The saddest part of all of this is that kids pick up on this whole AAP vs. not AAP in lower grades.

I think if you study the data - most AAP kids will do better in high school. There will be some outliers who don’t. And the reverse is true - there will be some outliers not in AAP who do just as well as the kids in AAP but it won’t be the majority.

This input was shared by teacher fwiw.

Again-we are not talking about below average to average gen ed kids vs. AAP kids; we are talking about kids who are bright but did not make into the level IV program vs. AAP kids.

Gen Ed kids in level 3 verses AAP basically have four years where they don't get quite as high services. Why are you making such a big deal about this? Most schools still allow those kids now to take higher level math. It's an issue for these kids, but not a huge one. The majority of kids in general ed are not at the AAP level. Many are remedial.