New draft MoCo Executive Order - masks

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Masks can filter larger particles in the air, but carbon dioxide can easily be exhaled through the filters. Coronavirus particles are 120 nanometers, oxygen is 0.120 nanometers and carbon dioxide is 0.232 nanometers. The pore size in N95 masks is generally 100 to 300 nanometers, meaning the average single pore will allow 1667 oxygen molecules in and 862 carbon dioxide molecules out. Other masks have even larger pore sizes, so a mask can’t restrict oxygen or carbon dioxide flow. It doesn’t mean that the wearer does not feel restricted. However, the math and physics are not consistent with that feeling.

The mask is quite effective at blocking the droplets you are exhaling, coughing or sneezing. The average size of those droplets is 1,000 to 10,000 nanometers, so by wearing the mask, you prevent the droplets from entering into the air for someone else to inhale.

https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths


Coronavirus are attached to droplets and are not free floating....like oxygen or carbon dioxide.

Well except that the virus also spreads as an aerosol, and those particles are NOT large enough to be blocked by the mask. And in fact droplets trapped by the mask can in fact be subsequently aerosolized so the mask could actually make things worse.

My point here is that there are lots of theories about why masks might work or not work, The only way to find out is to do a scientific experiment under controlled circumstances with people randomly selected into two groups. That has been done a total of fifteen times for respiratory viruses over the last three decades, including once now for covid.

In every single such trial the result has been that wearing cloth masks has resulted in no measurable difference in rates of infection.

Has wearing a mask killed anyone playing soccer?

No. But it seems it’s killing the PP. LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Please, someone post a link to an actual outbreak due to soccer functions in the DMV over the last year that actually proves the spread of CoVid??? I know of cases inside teams, both mine and others, but it has always been found to relate to the household.

The only one that comes close was the Potomac incident but that was found to be not related to soccer. None of there teammates were infected either.

At Bethesda Cup one girl was found infected, again not soccer related, and they canceled the boys tournament.

So it's been a year, and not a single problem with spread within a teams or tournaments nationwide. Yet some of you push for wearing masks while playing. I find your opinions and how you push 5% minoirty opinions on everyone. Please, please, please realize you represent an extremely small population of outdoor sports parents. The data and evidence does not back you up.

"While exercise is key to maintaining good health, adding a mask presents a slew of safety concerns. For starters, the face covering could restrict your air flow, says Lana V. Ivanitskaya, Ph.D., industrial-organizational psychologist and professor in the School of Health Sciences at Central Michigan University. “Mask tolerance is a bigger issue than people realize, especially for people with reduced lung function,” she says. “Physical exertion will make an otherwise tolerable mask intolerable” by causing breathing difficulty.

What's more, masks become wet when you wear them. This further adds to the discomfort by triggering sweat and nasal secretions—which will especially bother younger kids. Wet masks may also be less effective than dry masks in reducing airborne transmission of COVID-19.

And here's yet another issue: Wearing a mask can make people become fatigued faster than normal. “A mask will restrict airflow in and out of the mouth and nose, creating a situation where oxygen and carbon dioxide exchange are compromised,” says Michael Figueroa, EdD, a professor and graduate director of kinesiology at William Paterson University of New Jersey. He explains that during physical activity, the body’s carbon dioxide levels rise, resulting in faster breathing and increased heart rate. The mask might trap some of this carbon dioxide inside. While levels are too low to cause poisoning, they could lead to fatigue."

“Fatigued faster”?!?!? NOOOOO!!!!! Not fatigued faster!!!!

No thank you, I’d rather have and give Covid than get fatigued faster.

OMG. Thanks so much for making me spit out my drink. This is too funny.

I'm sure the both of you look at the situation like "better safe than sorry". Unfortunately for you, there is absolutely zero evidence of spread NATIONWIDE due to soccer practices, games, or practices. None. Zip. Zero.

What I am trying to point out to you simpletons is the fact that your "safe than sorry" views should not be pushed on anybody else because, again, there is zero evidence. I don't have a problem if your kid wears a mask while playing but my kid and 95% of other kids should not be forced to wear a mask while playing just because it makes you feel better.

What you are attempting to do is no different than telling your kid who ate some Hot Dogs at a birthday party that they now need a colonoscopy. That's because Hot Dog's contain Nitrites that cause cancer in older adults, even though there is no evidence it causes cancer in kids. But you know, better safe than sorry! Then you proceed to try and push an agenda that ALL kids need a colonoscopy there after.

Like I said, no problem with your kid getting a colonoscopy, but don't force my kid to get one.

Good luck in your spring season if playing. Have your DC wear a mask while playing if you want, but don't be upset at teammates or opposing teams because....THERE IS NO EVIDENCE!

OMG. Thanks so much for making me spit out my drink....not because you’re funny but your stupidity.

You spat all over the place and then called the other guy stupid. That's what I call a compelling argument.

My momma said to never argue with a stupid person. You, my friend and “the other guy”, are stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please, someone post a link to an actual outbreak due to soccer functions in the DMV over the last year that actually proves the spread of CoVid??? I know of cases inside teams, both mine and others, but it has always been found to relate to the household.

The only one that comes close was the Potomac incident but that was found to be not related to soccer. None of there teammates were infected either.

At Bethesda Cup one girl was found infected, again not soccer related, and they canceled the boys tournament.

So it's been a year, and not a single problem with spread within a teams or tournaments nationwide. Yet some of you push for wearing masks while playing. I find your opinions and how you push 5% minoirty opinions on everyone. Please, please, please realize you represent an extremely small population of outdoor sports parents. The data and evidence does not back you up.

"While exercise is key to maintaining good health, adding a mask presents a slew of safety concerns. For starters, the face covering could restrict your air flow, says Lana V. Ivanitskaya, Ph.D., industrial-organizational psychologist and professor in the School of Health Sciences at Central Michigan University. “Mask tolerance is a bigger issue than people realize, especially for people with reduced lung function,” she says. “Physical exertion will make an otherwise tolerable mask intolerable” by causing breathing difficulty.

What's more, masks become wet when you wear them. This further adds to the discomfort by triggering sweat and nasal secretions—which will especially bother younger kids. Wet masks may also be less effective than dry masks in reducing airborne transmission of COVID-19.

And here's yet another issue: Wearing a mask can make people become fatigued faster than normal. “A mask will restrict airflow in and out of the mouth and nose, creating a situation where oxygen and carbon dioxide exchange are compromised,” says Michael Figueroa, EdD, a professor and graduate director of kinesiology at William Paterson University of New Jersey. He explains that during physical activity, the body’s carbon dioxide levels rise, resulting in faster breathing and increased heart rate. The mask might trap some of this carbon dioxide inside. While levels are too low to cause poisoning, they could lead to fatigue."

“Fatigued faster”?!?!? NOOOOO!!!!! Not fatigued faster!!!!

No thank you, I’d rather have and give Covid than get fatigued faster.

OMG. Thanks so much for making me spit out my drink. This is too funny.

I'm sure the both of you look at the situation like "better safe than sorry". Unfortunately for you, there is absolutely zero evidence of spread NATIONWIDE due to soccer practices, games, or practices. None. Zip. Zero.

What I am trying to point out to you simpletons is the fact that your "safe than sorry" views should not be pushed on anybody else because, again, there is zero evidence. I don't have a problem if your kid wears a mask while playing but my kid and 95% of other kids should not be forced to wear a mask while playing just because it makes you feel better.

What you are attempting to do is no different than telling your kid who ate some Hot Dogs at a birthday party that they now need a colonoscopy. That's because Hot Dog's contain Nitrites that cause cancer in older adults, even though there is no evidence it causes cancer in kids. But you know, better safe than sorry! Then you proceed to try and push an agenda that ALL kids need a colonoscopy there after.

Like I said, no problem with your kid getting a colonoscopy, but don't force my kid to get one.

Good luck in your spring season if playing. Have your DC wear a mask while playing if you want, but don't be upset at teammates or opposing teams because....THERE IS NO EVIDENCE!

OMG. Thanks so much for making me spit out my drink....not because you’re funny but your stupidity.

You spat all over the place and then called the other guy stupid. That's what I call a compelling argument.

My momma said to never argue with a stupid person. You, my friend and “the other guy”, are stupid.

What did your momma say about calling people stupid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please, someone post a link to an actual outbreak due to soccer functions in the DMV over the last year that actually proves the spread of CoVid??? I know of cases inside teams, both mine and others, but it has always been found to relate to the household.

The only one that comes close was the Potomac incident but that was found to be not related to soccer. None of there teammates were infected either.

At Bethesda Cup one girl was found infected, again not soccer related, and they canceled the boys tournament.

So it's been a year, and not a single problem with spread within a teams or tournaments nationwide. Yet some of you push for wearing masks while playing. I find your opinions and how you push 5% minoirty opinions on everyone. Please, please, please realize you represent an extremely small population of outdoor sports parents. The data and evidence does not back you up.

"While exercise is key to maintaining good health, adding a mask presents a slew of safety concerns. For starters, the face covering could restrict your air flow, says Lana V. Ivanitskaya, Ph.D., industrial-organizational psychologist and professor in the School of Health Sciences at Central Michigan University. “Mask tolerance is a bigger issue than people realize, especially for people with reduced lung function,” she says. “Physical exertion will make an otherwise tolerable mask intolerable” by causing breathing difficulty.

What's more, masks become wet when you wear them. This further adds to the discomfort by triggering sweat and nasal secretions—which will especially bother younger kids. Wet masks may also be less effective than dry masks in reducing airborne transmission of COVID-19.

And here's yet another issue: Wearing a mask can make people become fatigued faster than normal. “A mask will restrict airflow in and out of the mouth and nose, creating a situation where oxygen and carbon dioxide exchange are compromised,” says Michael Figueroa, EdD, a professor and graduate director of kinesiology at William Paterson University of New Jersey. He explains that during physical activity, the body’s carbon dioxide levels rise, resulting in faster breathing and increased heart rate. The mask might trap some of this carbon dioxide inside. While levels are too low to cause poisoning, they could lead to fatigue."

“Fatigued faster”?!?!? NOOOOO!!!!! Not fatigued faster!!!!

No thank you, I’d rather have and give Covid than get fatigued faster.

OMG. Thanks so much for making me spit out my drink. This is too funny.

I'm sure the both of you look at the situation like "better safe than sorry". Unfortunately for you, there is absolutely zero evidence of spread NATIONWIDE due to soccer practices, games, or practices. None. Zip. Zero.

What I am trying to point out to you simpletons is the fact that your "safe than sorry" views should not be pushed on anybody else because, again, there is zero evidence. I don't have a problem if your kid wears a mask while playing but my kid and 95% of other kids should not be forced to wear a mask while playing just because it makes you feel better.

What you are attempting to do is no different than telling your kid who ate some Hot Dogs at a birthday party that they now need a colonoscopy. That's because Hot Dog's contain Nitrites that cause cancer in older adults, even though there is no evidence it causes cancer in kids. But you know, better safe than sorry! Then you proceed to try and push an agenda that ALL kids need a colonoscopy there after.

Like I said, no problem with your kid getting a colonoscopy, but don't force my kid to get one.

Good luck in your spring season if playing. Have your DC wear a mask while playing if you want, but don't be upset at teammates or opposing teams because....THERE IS NO EVIDENCE!

OMG. Thanks so much for making me spit out my drink....not because you’re funny but your stupidity.

You spat all over the place and then called the other guy stupid. That's what I call a compelling argument.

My momma said to never argue with a stupid person. You, my friend and “the other guy”, are stupid.

What did your momma say about calling people stupid?

Mamma told me to always be honest even if the truth hurts. Sorry if my honesty hurts you.

[Anonymous]

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Masks can filter larger particles in the air, but carbon dioxide can easily be exhaled through the filters. Coronavirus particles are 120 nanometers, oxygen is 0.120 nanometers and carbon dioxide is 0.232 nanometers. The pore size in N95 masks is generally 100 to 300 nanometers, meaning the average single pore will allow 1667 oxygen molecules in and 862 carbon dioxide molecules out. Other masks have even larger pore sizes, so a mask can’t restrict oxygen or carbon dioxide flow. It doesn’t mean that the wearer does not feel restricted. However, the math and physics are not consistent with that feeling.

The mask is quite effective at blocking the droplets you are exhaling, coughing or sneezing. The average size of those droplets is 1,000 to 10,000 nanometers, so by wearing the mask, you prevent the droplets from entering into the air for someone else to inhale.

https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths


Coronavirus are attached to droplets and are not free floating....like oxygen or carbon dioxide.

Well except that the virus also spreads as an aerosol, and those particles are NOT large enough to be blocked by the mask. And in fact droplets trapped by the mask can in fact be subsequently aerosolized so the mask could actually make things worse.

My point here is that there are lots of theories about why masks might work or not work, The only way to find out is to do a scientific experiment under controlled circumstances with people randomly selected into two groups. That has been done a total of fifteen times for respiratory viruses over the last three decades, including once now for covid.

In every single such trial the result has been that wearing cloth masks has resulted in no measurable difference in rates of infection.

Has wearing a mask killed anyone playing soccer?

As far as I know not a full-on mortem. However, I have two students who now can’t play because of lung damage. Their careers definitely died.

Because of a mask? Ok, sure

Because of a mask they wore while vigorously exercising and not receiving enough oxygen supply to their organs. Need a PowerPoint with it?

[Anonymous]

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Masks can filter larger particles in the air, but carbon dioxide can easily be exhaled through the filters. Coronavirus particles are 120 nanometers, oxygen is 0.120 nanometers and carbon dioxide is 0.232 nanometers. The pore size in N95 masks is generally 100 to 300 nanometers, meaning the average single pore will allow 1667 oxygen molecules in and 862 carbon dioxide molecules out. Other masks have even larger pore sizes, so a mask can’t restrict oxygen or carbon dioxide flow. It doesn’t mean that the wearer does not feel restricted. However, the math and physics are not consistent with that feeling.

The mask is quite effective at blocking the droplets you are exhaling, coughing or sneezing. The average size of those droplets is 1,000 to 10,000 nanometers, so by wearing the mask, you prevent the droplets from entering into the air for someone else to inhale.

https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths


Coronavirus are attached to droplets and are not free floating....like oxygen or carbon dioxide.

Well except that the virus also spreads as an aerosol, and those particles are NOT large enough to be blocked by the mask. And in fact droplets trapped by the mask can in fact be subsequently aerosolized so the mask could actually make things worse.

My point here is that there are lots of theories about why masks might work or not work, The only way to find out is to do a scientific experiment under controlled circumstances with people randomly selected into two groups. That has been done a total of fifteen times for respiratory viruses over the last three decades, including once now for covid.

In every single such trial the result has been that wearing cloth masks has resulted in no measurable difference in rates of infection.

Has wearing a mask killed anyone playing soccer?

As far as I know not a full-on mortem. However, I have two students who now can’t play because of lung damage. Their careers definitely died.

Because of a mask? Ok, sure

Because of a mask they wore while vigorously exercising and not receiving enough oxygen supply to their organs. Need a PowerPoint with it?

I know of a parent that constantly lied about the dangers of wearing masks. Until one day, he died from COVID because he refused to wear a mask. Two weeks later, his wife died from COVID too. Since then, all of his kids wore masks including when they play soccer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Masks can filter larger particles in the air, but carbon dioxide can easily be exhaled through the filters. Coronavirus particles are 120 nanometers, oxygen is 0.120 nanometers and carbon dioxide is 0.232 nanometers. The pore size in N95 masks is generally 100 to 300 nanometers, meaning the average single pore will allow 1667 oxygen molecules in and 862 carbon dioxide molecules out. Other masks have even larger pore sizes, so a mask can’t restrict oxygen or carbon dioxide flow. It doesn’t mean that the wearer does not feel restricted. However, the math and physics are not consistent with that feeling.

The mask is quite effective at blocking the droplets you are exhaling, coughing or sneezing. The average size of those droplets is 1,000 to 10,000 nanometers, so by wearing the mask, you prevent the droplets from entering into the air for someone else to inhale.

https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths


Coronavirus are attached to droplets and are not free floating....like oxygen or carbon dioxide.

Well except that the virus also spreads as an aerosol, and those particles are NOT large enough to be blocked by the mask. And in fact droplets trapped by the mask can in fact be subsequently aerosolized so the mask could actually make things worse.

My point here is that there are lots of theories about why masks might work or not work, The only way to find out is to do a scientific experiment under controlled circumstances with people randomly selected into two groups. That has been done a total of fifteen times for respiratory viruses over the last three decades, including once now for covid.

In every single such trial the result has been that wearing cloth masks has resulted in no measurable difference in rates of infection.

Has wearing a mask killed anyone playing soccer?

As far as I know not a full-on mortem. However, I have two students who now can’t play because of lung damage. Their careers definitely died.

Because of a mask? Ok, sure

Because of a mask they wore while vigorously exercising and not receiving enough oxygen supply to their organs. Need a PowerPoint with it?

Lol, ok. That vigorous exercise must have been on Everest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Masks can filter larger particles in the air, but carbon dioxide can easily be exhaled through the filters. Coronavirus particles are 120 nanometers, oxygen is 0.120 nanometers and carbon dioxide is 0.232 nanometers. The pore size in N95 masks is generally 100 to 300 nanometers, meaning the average single pore will allow 1667 oxygen molecules in and 862 carbon dioxide molecules out. Other masks have even larger pore sizes, so a mask can’t restrict oxygen or carbon dioxide flow. It doesn’t mean that the wearer does not feel restricted. However, the math and physics are not consistent with that feeling.

The mask is quite effective at blocking the droplets you are exhaling, coughing or sneezing. The average size of those droplets is 1,000 to 10,000 nanometers, so by wearing the mask, you prevent the droplets from entering into the air for someone else to inhale.

https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths


Coronavirus are attached to droplets and are not free floating....like oxygen or carbon dioxide.

Well except that the virus also spreads as an aerosol, and those particles are NOT large enough to be blocked by the mask. And in fact droplets trapped by the mask can in fact be subsequently aerosolized so the mask could actually make things worse.

My point here is that there are lots of theories about why masks might work or not work, The only way to find out is to do a scientific experiment under controlled circumstances with people randomly selected into two groups. That has been done a total of fifteen times for respiratory viruses over the last three decades, including once now for covid.

In every single such trial the result has been that wearing cloth masks has resulted in no measurable difference in rates of infection.

Has wearing a mask killed anyone playing soccer?

As far as I know not a full-on mortem. However, I have two students who now can’t play because of lung damage. Their careers definitely died.

Because of a mask? Ok, sure

Because of a mask they wore while vigorously exercising and not receiving enough oxygen supply to their organs. Need a PowerPoint with it?

Lol, ok. That vigorous exercise must have been on Everest.

Why Dont you go running or biking with a mask on? Riiiiiight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just came out. In addition to allowing 25% indoor dining, they tweaked the language on youth sports mask exception. No longer says vigorous activities but rather "certain sports." Doesn't define the "certain" sports but links to an AAP document that doesn't list soccer in the examples. I guess it will come down to how it is interpreted, but they very intentionally changed it for a reason. Doesn't look good. Hope I am wrong and missing something.

Won't affect MSI since they already require, but a huge blow to travel home games and tournaments, and a death sentence to Soccerplex.

Lots of kids are wearing masks while playing soccer now. Hasn’t really been an issue, even in travel games. I think MCPS will probably require masks for high school sports when they start up as well. The kids seem to have adjusted to this pretty easily.

The problem is people will not come here to play. The VA teams are not wearing masks. Other MD counties are not. In the fall, until MoCo changed the rule nobody would play here. All travel club games were held out of the county including home games. I have not seen any travel games with kids in masks other than a handful voluntarily. I have never seen a VA travel team kid wear a mask in a game, always as of the end of November.

Jesus Christ. Get over it or move to Virginia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Masks can filter larger particles in the air, but carbon dioxide can easily be exhaled through the filters. Coronavirus particles are 120 nanometers, oxygen is 0.120 nanometers and carbon dioxide is 0.232 nanometers. The pore size in N95 masks is generally 100 to 300 nanometers, meaning the average single pore will allow 1667 oxygen molecules in and 862 carbon dioxide molecules out. Other masks have even larger pore sizes, so a mask can’t restrict oxygen or carbon dioxide flow. It doesn’t mean that the wearer does not feel restricted. However, the math and physics are not consistent with that feeling.

The mask is quite effective at blocking the droplets you are exhaling, coughing or sneezing. The average size of those droplets is 1,000 to 10,000 nanometers, so by wearing the mask, you prevent the droplets from entering into the air for someone else to inhale.

https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths


Coronavirus are attached to droplets and are not free floating....like oxygen or carbon dioxide.

Well except that the virus also spreads as an aerosol, and those particles are NOT large enough to be blocked by the mask. And in fact droplets trapped by the mask can in fact be subsequently aerosolized so the mask could actually make things worse.

My point here is that there are lots of theories about why masks might work or not work, The only way to find out is to do a scientific experiment under controlled circumstances with people randomly selected into two groups. That has been done a total of fifteen times for respiratory viruses over the last three decades, including once now for covid.

In every single such trial the result has been that wearing cloth masks has resulted in no measurable difference in rates of infection.

Has wearing a mask killed anyone playing soccer?

As far as I know not a full-on mortem. However, I have two students who now can’t play because of lung damage. Their careers definitely died.

Because of a mask? Ok, sure

Because of a mask they wore while vigorously exercising and not receiving enough oxygen supply to their organs. Need a PowerPoint with it?

Lol, ok. That vigorous exercise must have been on Everest.

That’s so funny. Thousands and thousands of kids in MoCo have been playing & practicing soccer for months while wearing masks. This during warm, hot and cold weather. Some wore disposable masks while most wore athletic masks during games. These games include EDP and ENCL games as well as Select and Rec games. Not a single kid fainted or died. It was a little different at first and after 5 minutes, they all adjusted and stopped noticing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just came out. In addition to allowing 25% indoor dining, they tweaked the language on youth sports mask exception. No longer says vigorous activities but rather "certain sports." Doesn't define the "certain" sports but links to an AAP document that doesn't list soccer in the examples. I guess it will come down to how it is interpreted, but they very intentionally changed it for a reason. Doesn't look good. Hope I am wrong and missing something.

Won't affect MSI since they already require, but a huge blow to travel home games and tournaments, and a death sentence to Soccerplex.

Lots of kids are wearing masks while playing soccer now. Hasn’t really been an issue, even in travel games. I think MCPS will probably require masks for high school sports when they start up as well. The kids seem to have adjusted to this pretty easily.

The problem is people will not come here to play. The VA teams are not wearing masks. Other MD counties are not. In the fall, until MoCo changed the rule nobody would play here. All travel club games were held out of the county including home games. I have not seen any travel games with kids in masks other than a handful voluntarily. I have never seen a VA travel team kid wear a mask in a game, always as of the end of November.

Jesus Christ. Get over it or move to Virginia.

+1. Just move to another county, state or country. “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just came out. In addition to allowing 25% indoor dining, they tweaked the language on youth sports mask exception. No longer says vigorous activities but rather "certain sports." Doesn't define the "certain" sports but links to an AAP document that doesn't list soccer in the examples. I guess it will come down to how it is interpreted, but they very intentionally changed it for a reason. Doesn't look good. Hope I am wrong and missing something.

Won't affect MSI since they already require, but a huge blow to travel home games and tournaments, and a death sentence to Soccerplex.

Lots of kids are wearing masks while playing soccer now. Hasn’t really been an issue, even in travel games. I think MCPS will probably require masks for high school sports when they start up as well. The kids seem to have adjusted to this pretty easily.

The problem is people will not come here to play. The VA teams are not wearing masks. Other MD counties are not. In the fall, until MoCo changed the rule nobody would play here. All travel club games were held out of the county including home games. I have not seen any travel games with kids in masks other than a handful voluntarily. I have never seen a VA travel team kid wear a mask in a game, always as of the end of November.

Jesus Christ. Get over it or move to Virginia.

+1. Just move to another county, state or country. “If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.”

It's called "travel" soccer because you play teams from outside the county and state. You're entirely missing the point. For purposes of club soccer, it matters what the teams you play or that would come to tournaments are willing to do. Whether you agree or disagree, that's the reality.

And club and Soccerplex revenue is dependent on the tournaments and events.

[Anonymous]

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Masks can filter larger particles in the air, but carbon dioxide can easily be exhaled through the filters. Coronavirus particles are 120 nanometers, oxygen is 0.120 nanometers and carbon dioxide is 0.232 nanometers. The pore size in N95 masks is generally 100 to 300 nanometers, meaning the average single pore will allow 1667 oxygen molecules in and 862 carbon dioxide molecules out. Other masks have even larger pore sizes, so a mask can’t restrict oxygen or carbon dioxide flow. It doesn’t mean that the wearer does not feel restricted. However, the math and physics are not consistent with that feeling.

The mask is quite effective at blocking the droplets you are exhaling, coughing or sneezing. The average size of those droplets is 1,000 to 10,000 nanometers, so by wearing the mask, you prevent the droplets from entering into the air for someone else to inhale.

https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths


Coronavirus are attached to droplets and are not free floating....like oxygen or carbon dioxide.

Well except that the virus also spreads as an aerosol, and those particles are NOT large enough to be blocked by the mask. And in fact droplets trapped by the mask can in fact be subsequently aerosolized so the mask could actually make things worse.

My point here is that there are lots of theories about why masks might work or not work, The only way to find out is to do a scientific experiment under controlled circumstances with people randomly selected into two groups. That has been done a total of fifteen times for respiratory viruses over the last three decades, including once now for covid.

In every single such trial the result has been that wearing cloth masks has resulted in no measurable difference in rates of infection.

Has wearing a mask killed anyone playing soccer?

As far as I know not a full-on mortem. However, I have two students who now can’t play because of lung damage. Their careers definitely died.

Because of a mask? Ok, sure

Because of a mask they wore while vigorously exercising and not receiving enough oxygen supply to their organs. Need a PowerPoint with it?

Lol, ok. That vigorous exercise must have been on Everest.

That’s so funny. Thousands and thousands of kids in MoCo have been playing & practicing soccer for months while wearing masks. This during warm, hot and cold weather. Some wore disposable masks while most wore athletic masks during games. These games include EDP and ENCL games as well as Select and Rec games. Not a single kid fainted or died. It was a little different at first and after 5 minutes, they all adjusted and stopped noticing.

+1. Not a single kid or young adult fainted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just came out. In addition to allowing 25% indoor dining, they tweaked the language on youth sports mask exception. No longer says vigorous activities but rather "certain sports." Doesn't define the "certain" sports but links to an AAP document that doesn't list soccer in the examples. I guess it will come down to how it is interpreted, but they very intentionally changed it for a reason. Doesn't look good. Hope I am wrong and missing something.

Won't affect MSI since they already require, but a huge blow to travel home games and tournaments, and a death sentence to Soccerplex.

Lots of kids are wearing masks while playing soccer now. Hasn’t really been an issue, even in travel games. I think MCPS will probably require masks for high school sports when they start up as well. The kids seem to have adjusted to this pretty easily.

The problem is people will not come here to play. The VA teams are not wearing masks. Other MD counties are not. In the fall, until MoCo changed the rule nobody would play here. All travel club games were held out of the county including home games. I have not seen any travel games with kids in masks other than a handful voluntarily. I have never seen a VA travel team kid wear a mask in a game, always as of the end of November.

Jesus Christ. Get over it or move to Virginia.

It has nothing to do with where I live. Just a reality of travel soccer, which you don't seem to realize is mostly Virginia teams in this area. I'm not even arguing for or against the masks, just saying there is an operational and business reality when you are on an island from everyone around you. The same games will happen, played by the same travel soccer kids who live in MoCo, just out of the county.

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Masks can filter larger particles in the air, but carbon dioxide can easily be exhaled through the filters. Coronavirus particles are 120 nanometers, oxygen is 0.120 nanometers and carbon dioxide is 0.232 nanometers. The pore size in N95 masks is generally 100 to 300 nanometers, meaning the average single pore will allow 1667 oxygen molecules in and 862 carbon dioxide molecules out. Other masks have even larger pore sizes, so a mask can’t restrict oxygen or carbon dioxide flow. It doesn’t mean that the wearer does not feel restricted. However, the math and physics are not consistent with that feeling.

The mask is quite effective at blocking the droplets you are exhaling, coughing or sneezing. The average size of those droplets is 1,000 to 10,000 nanometers, so by wearing the mask, you prevent the droplets from entering into the air for someone else to inhale.

https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/infectious-disease-physician-breaks-down-coronavirus-mask-myths


Coronavirus are attached to droplets and are not free floating....like oxygen or carbon dioxide.

Well except that the virus also spreads as an aerosol, and those particles are NOT large enough to be blocked by the mask. And in fact droplets trapped by the mask can in fact be subsequently aerosolized so the mask could actually make things worse.

My point here is that there are lots of theories about why masks might work or not work, The only way to find out is to do a scientific experiment under controlled circumstances with people randomly selected into two groups. That has been done a total of fifteen times for respiratory viruses over the last three decades, including once now for covid.

In every single such trial the result has been that wearing cloth masks has resulted in no measurable difference in rates of infection.

Has wearing a mask killed anyone playing soccer?

As far as I know not a full-on mortem. However, I have two students who now can’t play because of lung damage. Their careers definitely died.

Because of a mask? Ok, sure

Because of a mask they wore while vigorously exercising and not receiving enough oxygen supply to their organs. Need a PowerPoint with it?

Lol, ok. That vigorous exercise must have been on Everest.

That’s so funny. Thousands and thousands of kids in MoCo have been playing & practicing soccer for months while wearing masks. This during warm, hot and cold weather. Some wore disposable masks while most wore athletic masks during games. These games include EDP and ENCL games as well as Select and Rec games. Not a single kid fainted or died. It was a little different at first and after 5 minutes, they all adjusted and stopped noticing.

+1. Not a single kid or young adult fainted.

What I personally have seen is a few fairly intense hyperventilation episodes that got me a little scared that something serious was happening, almost like a panic or asthma attack that continued at first even after the mask was removed. But, each time the kid was fine eventually. Take of that what you will. I'm not a medical expert to know if that could have really spiraled into more severe. Had me worried but was probably nothing. This was kids in the 7-10 range, FWIW.