Advice for a west coaster moving to the east coast

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Anonymous wrote:I’m from the Pacific Northwest. I moved to the East Coast for my first job out of college (Boston) and it was a huge culture shock. Everyone seemed rude, cold and socially conservative. Even white people were segregated—Irish neighborhoods, Italian neighborhoods, etc. The constant feeling of being rushed and ignored passed as I got used to it, but it was a lonely and exhausting first winter. DC (not The Hill, but regular-jobs-DC) is much less uptight and, surprisingly, less segregated (racially and socioeconomically, which says a lot about Boston) in my opinion. I agree about the weather—snow for months on end is hard. It also feels like outdoor activities are harder to find, but that’s mostly because of the traffic.

DC is less uptight? Wow, Boston must be really bad!

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Anonymous wrote:The black and white comments are weird. I had mostly Asian friends in HS in this area and I now live in dupont where my kids’ school is 50% white and pretty equally divided among black, latin , asian for the other 50%. Sure our Mexican food sucks but our Ethiopian is great and our Korean can hang. We are more informed and like substantive conversations. I am sure there are many snobs but nobody I know is one. People in DC are from all over so it’s not homogenous at all.

I noticed way more racism in LA when I lived there. It was actually shocking to me. I had a friend from LA who was giving me advice for how to make a certain recipe and told me to head to the mexican part of town. I told them we didn't have a mexican part of town- that we do have certain ethnic divisions but for the most part everyone is mixed up together, and it's all just kind of a melting pot. They literally didn't believe me.

If you watch the LA riots, which happened in 1992, I mean, that level of racial hatred and the horrific race relations just doesnt happen in DC. Yes we have divisions but for the most part black people are welcomed into the white part of town and vice versa. In Los Angeles at times i felt like I was getting really bad reactions because of the color of my skin (white) in a way I have never experienced in any other part of the US (and I've lived in several major cities). The only thing true is that they do have a larger asian population, but that's largely because asia is much closer to the west coast. And even then, they are often relegated to a particularly area, aka koreatown, whereas in DC you couldn't even identify the "asian" part of town because, as I said, everyone is mixed together.

I’m surprised this was your experience. non-Hispanic whites are a minority in Los Angeles. It is a brown city. Latinos, Koreans, Filipinos, Chinese, Korean, Indian, Persian, Lebanese, Armenian (who are white, but just speaking at how diverse even LA’s white population is!), plus black Angelinos!

Each little group has its town—Thai Town, Little Persia, Koreatown—-but it’s just a concentration of restaurants and shops. People live allllll over the city!

Yes, non hispanic whites make up the minority in Los Angeles as a whole- and the majority on the westside, which is almost entirely white and far and away the wealthiest part of the town. Only a town like Los Angeles could raise up someone like Kelly Osbourne who said, thinking she was being woke, "If we dont let Mexicans in, who will clean your toilets?" And that pretty much sums up Los Angeles. It's not really worth much to have "diversity" if that diversity involves segregation into separate sections. In fact it's the opposite.

Oh, I see. You’re one of those people that think the Westside is the center of the universe. Sadly, some people move to LA or travel here and they see one part of town and they think the entire city is that way. And Kelly Osbourne? 🙄

I am not saying, btw, there is economic or racial justice in Los Angeles. I was just asserting (earlier in the thread) that LA is far more diverse than East coast cities and we all intermingle together more than in some other cities. But. I suppose it’s subjective.

No one ever said the west side is the center of the universe, although it's inarguably the most prosperous part of town, and the area containing most of the spots that tourists and people outside of LA think of when they think of "Los Angeles". Having separate, segregated regions, and using that as proof of diversity is extremely "Alabama circa 1950" and not proof of diversity in the slightest. Kelly Osbourne's quote, as I said, sums up exactly how many in Los Angeles think about diversity. "Oh yes, it's okay to have many black people living in south central and relegated to that part of town, and harassed by police when they go to the west side, because at least they're here! Sure they're on the other side of town and not expected to be able to visit other parts freely, but at least they're there"

Like I said, it makes you realize how something like the LA riots could happen. Never, ever seen the level of racial tension I saw in LA anywhere else

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Anonymous wrote:I think the "passive-aggressive" versus "direct" phrasing is a question of framing, and not factually-based. My DH, who jokingly calls himself an "east coast escapee" at times (we are on the west coast, he grew up in MA) says that he thinks folks in New England and NY say they are "direct" but what they mean is that they are "unnecessarily rude just for the sake of being mean." Of course, he moved out west for college and never once looked back, so I think his opinion is skewed. Similarly, what east coast folks call "passive aggressive," west coast folks call "basic courtesy."

I grew up in California and what I have seen is that some people come to California and just absorb it and flourish, while others never feel comfortable. I get it, I don't think I'd ever feel settled on the east coast, but I think there are some folks who move east and just take to it. Not sure which one you will be, OP! Honestly, it's probably better to be a person who can enjoy both -- shows better mental flexibility and a healthier outlook.

On the other hand, as an east coaster who made the move out west, I found the people unspeakably rude, and lacking in basic courtesy. A lot of things I would expect on the east coast, like people looking you in the eye when speaking and seeming honest, forthright, and like they respected you, just seemed to fall by the wayside. A lot of the people i interacted with seemed like they couldnt care less about a person or even viewed them with contempt.

I suppose it is a matter of perspective, but I noticed most big morning and talk show hosts come from the east coast and seem to be imported to the west coast. So it seems like that friendly vibe is one people get from east coasters more often than west coasters

The whole point is that your personal experience isn't representative. People have been different experiences and preferences, and so words like "rude" versus "direct" are a matter of opinion not fact. That's okay. Your talk show host thing seems outright weird, though.

In any event, mentally healthy and robust folks can live and thrive anywhere. It's a negative thing to negatively characterize a whole coast, not a positive thing. It's not something people should be boasting about. It shows a very limited world view.

Sure, but we can also have objective ideas of manners and/or niceness. Most people would agree that saying "Thank you" is an act of politeness and omitting is rude. Most people would agree that lying to someone and backstabbing them is not nice. Words have meanings.

I dont have a "talk show host thing", just an observation that most of the most popular radio/ morning hosts have originated from the east coast. Not sure why that would be "weird", unless you're just expressing a general displeasure with this fact. Which would seem to stem more from it contradicting your assertion that west coasters are just as friendly and convivial as east coasters. When it would appear that, based on which hosts get chosen and build large fanbases, does not appear to be the case. Not based on general opinion, at least- which is the tool you would use to judge social skills/abilities

Uh, talk show hosts come from the east coast because that's where the major news media is based. It is same reason why tech companies come out of silicon valley. Do you not understand how that works?

And I have no idea what you are going on about with respect to words have meaning. Uh, yeah? So what? What New Yorkers call "direct," Hawaiians would call "unbelievably rude." Those words all have meaning, yes? I'm sorry if this is a disappoinment to you, but as it turns out the world does not universally agree that you are the universal arbitrator of everyone's lived experience. I realize this will come as a shock to you but it's true.

I'm honestly confused by what point you are trying to make, except that you seem to have a virulent dislike of California based on some experience you had twenty years ago, which goes back to my point about being mentally flexible and how that is really a good thing in life.

Huh? That makes no sense considering the entertainment industry is almost completely based in Los Angeles. If anything, theyre continued sourcing of hosts from the east coast would be an expense, not a help. Actually, if you look at most actors and musicians, they are way overrepresnted by LA locals and people from the west coast in general, because it's much closer to Hollywood, obviously. The exception being personalities that are expected to speak on camera and "have the gift of gab", in which case you start seeing the east coast over and over again in representation.

And yet, we're not basing our opinions around what Hawaiians alone think. Like I said, most "social" rules tend to be crowd sourced- i.e. what the general population thinks. The general population clearly shows a preference for east coast radio hosts, presenters, interviewers, morning hosts, etc, which is proof that, whatever Hawaiians may or may not want (I trust you havent interviewed any on this issue), the general population far prefers east coast conversational skills. And that's that!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want to sound like I'm trying to be woke, but these posters talking about how LA is a bastion of racial equality and integration are beyond delusional. I'm glad you enjoy your taco trucks, but that doesn't make LA some sort of racial utopia. By the way, LA has the most segregated schools in all of California-- because the neighborhoods are segregated. .https://www.scpr.org/news/2017/12/03/78190/the-california-schools-where-the-kids-are-all-the/

Exactly. I'd never seen racial segregation on that scale until I came to Los Angeles. It's very jarring. And I have lived all over

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Anonymous wrote:I think the "passive-aggressive" versus "direct" phrasing is a question of framing, and not factually-based. My DH, who jokingly calls himself an "east coast escapee" at times (we are on the west coast, he grew up in MA) says that he thinks folks in New England and NY say they are "direct" but what they mean is that they are "unnecessarily rude just for the sake of being mean." Of course, he moved out west for college and never once looked back, so I think his opinion is skewed. Similarly, what east coast folks call "passive aggressive," west coast folks call "basic courtesy."

I grew up in California and what I have seen is that some people come to California and just absorb it and flourish, while others never feel comfortable. I get it, I don't think I'd ever feel settled on the east coast, but I think there are some folks who move east and just take to it. Not sure which one you will be, OP! Honestly, it's probably better to be a person who can enjoy both -- shows better mental flexibility and a healthier outlook.

On the other hand, as an east coaster who made the move out west, I found the people unspeakably rude, and lacking in basic courtesy. A lot of things I would expect on the east coast, like people looking you in the eye when speaking and seeming honest, forthright, and like they respected you, just seemed to fall by the wayside. A lot of the people i interacted with seemed like they couldnt care less about a person or even viewed them with contempt.

I suppose it is a matter of perspective, but I noticed most big morning and talk show hosts come from the east coast and seem to be imported to the west coast. So it seems like that friendly vibe is one people get from east coasters more often than west coasters

The whole point is that your personal experience isn't representative. People have been different experiences and preferences, and so words like "rude" versus "direct" are a matter of opinion not fact. That's okay. Your talk show host thing seems outright weird, though.

In any event, mentally healthy and robust folks can live and thrive anywhere. It's a negative thing to negatively characterize a whole coast, not a positive thing. It's not something people should be boasting about. It shows a very limited world view.

Sure, but we can also have objective ideas of manners and/or niceness. Most people would agree that saying "Thank you" is an act of politeness and omitting is rude. Most people would agree that lying to someone and backstabbing them is not nice. Words have meanings.

I dont have a "talk show host thing", just an observation that most of the most popular radio/ morning hosts have originated from the east coast. Not sure why that would be "weird", unless you're just expressing a general displeasure with this fact. Which would seem to stem more from it contradicting your assertion that west coasters are just as friendly and convivial as east coasters. When it would appear that, based on which hosts get chosen and build large fanbases, does not appear to be the case. Not based on general opinion, at least- which is the tool you would use to judge social skills/abilities

Uh, talk show hosts come from the east coast because that's where the major news media is based. It is same reason why tech companies come out of silicon valley. Do you not understand how that works?

And I have no idea what you are going on about with respect to words have meaning. Uh, yeah? So what? What New Yorkers call "direct," Hawaiians would call "unbelievably rude." Those words all have meaning, yes? I'm sorry if this is a disappoinment to you, but as it turns out the world does not universally agree that you are the universal arbitrator of everyone's lived experience. I realize this will come as a shock to you but it's true.

I'm honestly confused by what point you are trying to make, except that you seem to have a virulent dislike of California based on some experience you had twenty years ago, which goes back to my point about being mentally flexible and how that is really a good thing in life.

Huh? That makes no sense considering the entertainment industry is almost completely based in Los Angeles. If anything, theyre continued sourcing of hosts from the east coast would be an expense, not a help. Actually, if you look at most actors and musicians, they are way overrepresnted by LA locals and people from the west coast in general, because it's much closer to Hollywood, obviously. The exception being personalities that are expected to speak on camera and "have the gift of gab", in which case you start seeing the east coast over and over again in representation.

And yet, we're not basing our opinions around what Hawaiians alone think. Like I said, most "social" rules tend to be crowd sourced- i.e. what the general population thinks. The general population clearly shows a preference for east coast radio hosts, presenters, interviewers, morning hosts, etc, which is proof that, whatever Hawaiians may or may not want (I trust you havent interviewed any on this issue), the general population far prefers east coast conversational skills. And that's that!

Okay, I'm out. Go ahead and continue to obsess about something that happened twenty years ago and talk show hosts. Your odd fixation is definitely making a strong point in this argument, just not the one you think it is. Yay you! You win the argument! You are right for sure!

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Anonymous wrote:I think the "passive-aggressive" versus "direct" phrasing is a question of framing, and not factually-based. My DH, who jokingly calls himself an "east coast escapee" at times (we are on the west coast, he grew up in MA) says that he thinks folks in New England and NY say they are "direct" but what they mean is that they are "unnecessarily rude just for the sake of being mean." Of course, he moved out west for college and never once looked back, so I think his opinion is skewed. Similarly, what east coast folks call "passive aggressive," west coast folks call "basic courtesy."

I grew up in California and what I have seen is that some people come to California and just absorb it and flourish, while others never feel comfortable. I get it, I don't think I'd ever feel settled on the east coast, but I think there are some folks who move east and just take to it. Not sure which one you will be, OP! Honestly, it's probably better to be a person who can enjoy both -- shows better mental flexibility and a healthier outlook.

On the other hand, as an east coaster who made the move out west, I found the people unspeakably rude, and lacking in basic courtesy. A lot of things I would expect on the east coast, like people looking you in the eye when speaking and seeming honest, forthright, and like they respected you, just seemed to fall by the wayside. A lot of the people i interacted with seemed like they couldnt care less about a person or even viewed them with contempt.

I suppose it is a matter of perspective, but I noticed most big morning and talk show hosts come from the east coast and seem to be imported to the west coast. So it seems like that friendly vibe is one people get from east coasters more often than west coasters

The whole point is that your personal experience isn't representative. People have been different experiences and preferences, and so words like "rude" versus "direct" are a matter of opinion not fact. That's okay. Your talk show host thing seems outright weird, though.

In any event, mentally healthy and robust folks can live and thrive anywhere. It's a negative thing to negatively characterize a whole coast, not a positive thing. It's not something people should be boasting about. It shows a very limited world view.

Sure, but we can also have objective ideas of manners and/or niceness. Most people would agree that saying "Thank you" is an act of politeness and omitting is rude. Most people would agree that lying to someone and backstabbing them is not nice. Words have meanings.

I dont have a "talk show host thing", just an observation that most of the most popular radio/ morning hosts have originated from the east coast. Not sure why that would be "weird", unless you're just expressing a general displeasure with this fact. Which would seem to stem more from it contradicting your assertion that west coasters are just as friendly and convivial as east coasters. When it would appear that, based on which hosts get chosen and build large fanbases, does not appear to be the case. Not based on general opinion, at least- which is the tool you would use to judge social skills/abilities

Uh, talk show hosts come from the east coast because that's where the major news media is based. It is same reason why tech companies come out of silicon valley. Do you not understand how that works?

And I have no idea what you are going on about with respect to words have meaning. Uh, yeah? So what? What New Yorkers call "direct," Hawaiians would call "unbelievably rude." Those words all have meaning, yes? I'm sorry if this is a disappoinment to you, but as it turns out the world does not universally agree that you are the universal arbitrator of everyone's lived experience. I realize this will come as a shock to you but it's true.

I'm honestly confused by what point you are trying to make, except that you seem to have a virulent dislike of California based on some experience you had twenty years ago, which goes back to my point about being mentally flexible and how that is really a good thing in life.

Huh? That makes no sense considering the entertainment industry is almost completely based in Los Angeles. If anything, theyre continued sourcing of hosts from the east coast would be an expense, not a help. Actually, if you look at most actors and musicians, they are way overrepresnted by LA locals and people from the west coast in general, because it's much closer to Hollywood, obviously. The exception being personalities that are expected to speak on camera and "have the gift of gab", in which case you start seeing the east coast over and over again in representation.

And yet, we're not basing our opinions around what Hawaiians alone think. Like I said, most "social" rules tend to be crowd sourced- i.e. what the general population thinks. The general population clearly shows a preference for east coast radio hosts, presenters, interviewers, morning hosts, etc, which is proof that, whatever Hawaiians may or may not want (I trust you havent interviewed any on this issue), the general population far prefers east coast conversational skills. And that's that!

Okay, I'm out. Go ahead and continue to obsess about something that happened twenty years ago and talk show hosts. Your odd fixation is definitely making a strong point in this argument, just not the one you think it is. Yay you! You win the argument! You are right for sure!

Um... thanks? I mean you could attempt to address any of the substantive points I've brought up, or the others who posted statistics about racial segregation in Los Angeles, but sure, have a meltdown instead. Maybe try to find your "west coast chill" by smoking a blunt or something. Anyway...

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Anonymous wrote:I’m from the Pacific Northwest. I moved to the East Coast for my first job out of college (Boston) and it was a huge culture shock. Everyone seemed rude, cold and socially conservative. Even white people were segregated—Irish neighborhoods, Italian neighborhoods, etc. The constant feeling of being rushed and ignored passed as I got used to it, but it was a lonely and exhausting first winter. DC (not The Hill, but regular-jobs-DC) is much less uptight and, surprisingly, less segregated (racially and socioeconomically, which says a lot about Boston) in my opinion. I agree about the weather—snow for months on end is hard. It also feels like outdoor activities are harder to find, but that’s mostly because of the traffic.

DC is less uptight? Wow, Boston must be really bad!

As a native Bostonian, PP’s assessment of Boston is correct.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m from the Pacific Northwest. I moved to the East Coast for my first job out of college (Boston) and it was a huge culture shock. Everyone seemed rude, cold and socially conservative. Even white people were segregated—Irish neighborhoods, Italian neighborhoods, etc. The constant feeling of being rushed and ignored passed as I got used to it, but it was a lonely and exhausting first winter. DC (not The Hill, but regular-jobs-DC) is much less uptight and, surprisingly, less segregated (racially and socioeconomically, which says a lot about Boston) in my opinion. I agree about the weather—snow for months on end is hard. It also feels like outdoor activities are harder to find, but that’s mostly because of the traffic.

DC is less uptight? Wow, Boston must be really bad!

As a native Bostonian, PP’s assessment of Boston is correct.

My brother is a partner at a Boston Law firm and worked at a few of them in his careee. Law firms are stuffy to begin with, but waspy Boston ones are another level.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the "passive-aggressive" versus "direct" phrasing is a question of framing, and not factually-based. My DH, who jokingly calls himself an "east coast escapee" at times (we are on the west coast, he grew up in MA) says that he thinks folks in New England and NY say they are "direct" but what they mean is that they are "unnecessarily rude just for the sake of being mean." Of course, he moved out west for college and never once looked back, so I think his opinion is skewed. Similarly, what east coast folks call "passive aggressive," west coast folks call "basic courtesy."

I grew up in California and what I have seen is that some people come to California and just absorb it and flourish, while others never feel comfortable. I get it, I don't think I'd ever feel settled on the east coast, but I think there are some folks who move east and just take to it. Not sure which one you will be, OP! Honestly, it's probably better to be a person who can enjoy both -- shows better mental flexibility and a healthier outlook.

On the other hand, as an east coaster who made the move out west, I found the people unspeakably rude, and lacking in basic courtesy. A lot of things I would expect on the east coast, like people looking you in the eye when speaking and seeming honest, forthright, and like they respected you, just seemed to fall by the wayside. A lot of the people i interacted with seemed like they couldnt care less about a person or even viewed them with contempt.

I suppose it is a matter of perspective, but I noticed most big morning and talk show hosts come from the east coast and seem to be imported to the west coast. So it seems like that friendly vibe is one people get from east coasters more often than west coasters

The whole point is that your personal experience isn't representative. People have been different experiences and preferences, and so words like "rude" versus "direct" are a matter of opinion not fact. That's okay. Your talk show host thing seems outright weird, though.

In any event, mentally healthy and robust folks can live and thrive anywhere. It's a negative thing to negatively characterize a whole coast, not a positive thing. It's not something people should be boasting about. It shows a very limited world view.

Sure, but we can also have objective ideas of manners and/or niceness. Most people would agree that saying "Thank you" is an act of politeness and omitting is rude. Most people would agree that lying to someone and backstabbing them is not nice. Words have meanings.

I dont have a "talk show host thing", just an observation that most of the most popular radio/ morning hosts have originated from the east coast. Not sure why that would be "weird", unless you're just expressing a general displeasure with this fact. Which would seem to stem more from it contradicting your assertion that west coasters are just as friendly and convivial as east coasters. When it would appear that, based on which hosts get chosen and build large fanbases, does not appear to be the case. Not based on general opinion, at least- which is the tool you would use to judge social skills/abilities

Uh, talk show hosts come from the east coast because that's where the major news media is based. It is same reason why tech companies come out of silicon valley. Do you not understand how that works?

And I have no idea what you are going on about with respect to words have meaning. Uh, yeah? So what? What New Yorkers call "direct," Hawaiians would call "unbelievably rude." Those words all have meaning, yes? I'm sorry if this is a disappoinment to you, but as it turns out the world does not universally agree that you are the universal arbitrator of everyone's lived experience. I realize this will come as a shock to you but it's true.

I'm honestly confused by what point you are trying to make, except that you seem to have a virulent dislike of California based on some experience you had twenty years ago, which goes back to my point about being mentally flexible and how that is really a good thing in life.

Huh? That makes no sense considering the entertainment industry is almost completely based in Los Angeles. If anything, theyre continued sourcing of hosts from the east coast would be an expense, not a help. Actually, if you look at most actors and musicians, they are way overrepresnted by LA locals and people from the west coast in general, because it's much closer to Hollywood, obviously. The exception being personalities that are expected to speak on camera and "have the gift of gab", in which case you start seeing the east coast over and over again in representation.

And yet, we're not basing our opinions around what Hawaiians alone think. Like I said, most "social" rules tend to be crowd sourced- i.e. what the general population thinks. The general population clearly shows a preference for east coast radio hosts, presenters, interviewers, morning hosts, etc, which is proof that, whatever Hawaiians may or may not want (I trust you havent interviewed any on this issue), the general population far prefers east coast conversational skills. And that's that!

Okay, I'm out. Go ahead and continue to obsess about something that happened twenty years ago and talk show hosts. Your odd fixation is definitely making a strong point in this argument, just not the one you think it is. Yay you! You win the argument! You are right for sure!

Um... thanks? I mean you could attempt to address any of the substantive points I've brought up, or the others who posted statistics about racial segregation in Los Angeles, but sure, have a meltdown instead. Maybe try to find your "west coast chill" by smoking a blunt or something. Anyway...

Yeah, sorry but PP has a point. Here’s the thing: LA has a small black population. 8-9%!

So, you just aren’t going to see the presence of many black people in LA. And yes they are kept out of the Westside because of prohibitive real estate, but so I am I! That’s what people are living in other areas of LA, and leaving the Westside.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the "passive-aggressive" versus "direct" phrasing is a question of framing, and not factually-based. My DH, who jokingly calls himself an "east coast escapee" at times (we are on the west coast, he grew up in MA) says that he thinks folks in New England and NY say they are "direct" but what they mean is that they are "unnecessarily rude just for the sake of being mean." Of course, he moved out west for college and never once looked back, so I think his opinion is skewed. Similarly, what east coast folks call "passive aggressive," west coast folks call "basic courtesy."

I grew up in California and what I have seen is that some people come to California and just absorb it and flourish, while others never feel comfortable. I get it, I don't think I'd ever feel settled on the east coast, but I think there are some folks who move east and just take to it. Not sure which one you will be, OP! Honestly, it's probably better to be a person who can enjoy both -- shows better mental flexibility and a healthier outlook.

On the other hand, as an east coaster who made the move out west, I found the people unspeakably rude, and lacking in basic courtesy. A lot of things I would expect on the east coast, like people looking you in the eye when speaking and seeming honest, forthright, and like they respected you, just seemed to fall by the wayside. A lot of the people i interacted with seemed like they couldnt care less about a person or even viewed them with contempt.

I suppose it is a matter of perspective, but I noticed most big morning and talk show hosts come from the east coast and seem to be imported to the west coast. So it seems like that friendly vibe is one people get from east coasters more often than west coasters

The whole point is that your personal experience isn't representative. People have been different experiences and preferences, and so words like "rude" versus "direct" are a matter of opinion not fact. That's okay. Your talk show host thing seems outright weird, though.

In any event, mentally healthy and robust folks can live and thrive anywhere. It's a negative thing to negatively characterize a whole coast, not a positive thing. It's not something people should be boasting about. It shows a very limited world view.

Sure, but we can also have objective ideas of manners and/or niceness. Most people would agree that saying "Thank you" is an act of politeness and omitting is rude. Most people would agree that lying to someone and backstabbing them is not nice. Words have meanings.

I dont have a "talk show host thing", just an observation that most of the most popular radio/ morning hosts have originated from the east coast. Not sure why that would be "weird", unless you're just expressing a general displeasure with this fact. Which would seem to stem more from it contradicting your assertion that west coasters are just as friendly and convivial as east coasters. When it would appear that, based on which hosts get chosen and build large fanbases, does not appear to be the case. Not based on general opinion, at least- which is the tool you would use to judge social skills/abilities

Uh, talk show hosts come from the east coast because that's where the major news media is based. It is same reason why tech companies come out of silicon valley. Do you not understand how that works?

And I have no idea what you are going on about with respect to words have meaning. Uh, yeah? So what? What New Yorkers call "direct," Hawaiians would call "unbelievably rude." Those words all have meaning, yes? I'm sorry if this is a disappoinment to you, but as it turns out the world does not universally agree that you are the universal arbitrator of everyone's lived experience. I realize this will come as a shock to you but it's true.

I'm honestly confused by what point you are trying to make, except that you seem to have a virulent dislike of California based on some experience you had twenty years ago, which goes back to my point about being mentally flexible and how that is really a good thing in life.

Huh? That makes no sense considering the entertainment industry is almost completely based in Los Angeles. If anything, theyre continued sourcing of hosts from the east coast would be an expense, not a help. Actually, if you look at most actors and musicians, they are way overrepresnted by LA locals and people from the west coast in general, because it's much closer to Hollywood, obviously. The exception being personalities that are expected to speak on camera and "have the gift of gab", in which case you start seeing the east coast over and over again in representation.

And yet, we're not basing our opinions around what Hawaiians alone think. Like I said, most "social" rules tend to be crowd sourced- i.e. what the general population thinks. The general population clearly shows a preference for east coast radio hosts, presenters, interviewers, morning hosts, etc, which is proof that, whatever Hawaiians may or may not want (I trust you havent interviewed any on this issue), the general population far prefers east coast conversational skills. And that's that!

Okay, I'm out. Go ahead and continue to obsess about something that happened twenty years ago and talk show hosts. Your odd fixation is definitely making a strong point in this argument, just not the one you think it is. Yay you! You win the argument! You are right for sure!

Um... thanks? I mean you could attempt to address any of the substantive points I've brought up, or the others who posted statistics about racial segregation in Los Angeles, but sure, have a meltdown instead. Maybe try to find your "west coast chill" by smoking a blunt or something. Anyway...

Yeah, sorry but PP has a point. Here’s the thing: LA has a small black population. 8-9%!

So, you just aren’t going to see the presence of many black people in LA. And yes they are kept out of the Westside because of prohibitive real estate, but so I am I! That’s what people are living in other areas of LA, and leaving the Westside.

Yeah, as previously covered, we're not just talking about black people. We're talking about mexicans being relegated to the east side, asians being relegated to koreatown, armenians in glendale, and very specific ethnic areas and regions that keep completely to themselves. That is essentially segregation. It's very, very bizarre.

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Idk about anything else but whoever keeps posting about how people live grouped solely into ethnic/racial groups in LA hasn't been to LA since 1980 or something like that. It's some sort of weird segregationist fantasy that's actually really disturbing because that PP seems to be fetishizing it. I don't even like LA much, but that PP is so crazily wrong that it makes me think the PP wishes what he keeps posting were true. It's really weird and disturbing.

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Anonymous wrote:Idk about anything else but whoever keeps posting about how people live grouped solely into ethnic/racial groups in LA hasn't been to LA since 1980 or something like that. It's some sort of weird segregationist fantasy that's actually really disturbing because that PP seems to be fetishizing it. I don't even like LA much, but that PP is so crazily wrong that it makes me think the PP wishes what he keeps posting were true. It's really weird and disturbing.

Well actually I lived in LA up until a couple months ago, lol. So you're wrong again. The racial issues are still alive and well, and no one is praising it. I think you're confusing yourself because you're mad that people are calling out the racial issues in LA, which are ongoing and well documented, like in the article a PP posted about segregation in LA schools. Pay a visit, you'll see.

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Anonymous wrote:Idk about anything else but whoever keeps posting about how people live grouped solely into ethnic/racial groups in LA hasn't been to LA since 1980 or something like that. It's some sort of weird segregationist fantasy that's actually really disturbing because that PP seems to be fetishizing it. I don't even like LA much, but that PP is so crazily wrong that it makes me think the PP wishes what he keeps posting were true. It's really weird and disturbing.

Well actually I lived in LA up until a couple months ago, lol. So you're wrong again. The racial issues are still alive and well, and no one is praising it. I think you're confusing yourself because you're mad that people are calling out the racial issues in LA, which are ongoing and well documented, like in the article a PP posted about segregation in LA schools. Pay a visit, you'll see.

What? You are putting words in my mouth. I never said there weren't significant racial issues in LA. There are and they are serious. But you are lying about living there, or you are wishing for some weird segregationist fantasy in your head. The totally isolated world you paint just isn't true, and you are weakening your point substantially by painting a wildly inaccurate picture of modern LA. There is no need to make up a segregationist fantasy when talking about race issues in LA. I honestly find it really disturbing how you are doing that. This claim that racial groups in LA only live in one neighborhood in LA is not remotely supported by actual population data.

Stop the segregationist fantasies. It's awful.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idk about anything else but whoever keeps posting about how people live grouped solely into ethnic/racial groups in LA hasn't been to LA since 1980 or something like that. It's some sort of weird segregationist fantasy that's actually really disturbing because that PP seems to be fetishizing it. I don't even like LA much, but that PP is so crazily wrong that it makes me think the PP wishes what he keeps posting were true. It's really weird and disturbing.

Well actually I lived in LA up until a couple months ago, lol. So you're wrong again. The racial issues are still alive and well, and no one is praising it. I think you're confusing yourself because you're mad that people are calling out the racial issues in LA, which are ongoing and well documented, like in the article a PP posted about segregation in LA schools. Pay a visit, you'll see.

What? You are putting words in my mouth. I never said there weren't significant racial issues in LA. There are and they are serious. But you are lying about living there, or you are wishing for some weird segregationist fantasy in your head. The totally isolated world you paint just isn't true, and you are weakening your point substantially by painting a wildly inaccurate picture of modern LA. There is no need to make up a segregationist fantasy when talking about race issues in LA. I honestly find it really disturbing how you are doing that. This claim that racial groups in LA only live in one neighborhood in LA is not remotely supported by actual population data.

Stop the segregationist fantasies. It's awful.

I'm absolutely not lying about living there, what an absurd statement. And the data backs up my experience, not yours. I experienced a ton of racial segregation in Los Angeles, and trying to pain it as some weird fantasy that has me salivating, when in fact I've actively condemned it, and gave it as one of my main reasons for disliking Los Angeles since the first time I posted, is a really bold, and dare I say stupid, argumentation strategy.

Did the person who compiled the data about racial segregation in Los Angeles schools have a "fantasy" about it too?

You truly sound crazy and like you need to be medicated.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Idk about anything else but whoever keeps posting about how people live grouped solely into ethnic/racial groups in LA hasn't been to LA since 1980 or something like that. It's some sort of weird segregationist fantasy that's actually really disturbing because that PP seems to be fetishizing it. I don't even like LA much, but that PP is so crazily wrong that it makes me think the PP wishes what he keeps posting were true. It's really weird and disturbing.

Well actually I lived in LA up until a couple months ago, lol. So you're wrong again. The racial issues are still alive and well, and no one is praising it. I think you're confusing yourself because you're mad that people are calling out the racial issues in LA, which are ongoing and well documented, like in the article a PP posted about segregation in LA schools. Pay a visit, you'll see.

What? You are putting words in my mouth. I never said there weren't significant racial issues in LA. There are and they are serious. But you are lying about living there, or you are wishing for some weird segregationist fantasy in your head. The totally isolated world you paint just isn't true, and you are weakening your point substantially by painting a wildly inaccurate picture of modern LA. There is no need to make up a segregationist fantasy when talking about race issues in LA. I honestly find it really disturbing how you are doing that. This claim that racial groups in LA only live in one neighborhood in LA is not remotely supported by actual population data.

Stop the segregationist fantasies. It's awful.

I'm absolutely not lying about living there, what an absurd statement. And the data backs up my experience, not yours. I experienced a ton of racial segregation in Los Angeles, and trying to pain it as some weird fantasy that has me salivating, when in fact I've actively condemned it, and gave it as one of my main reasons for disliking Los Angeles since the first time I posted, is a really bold, and dare I say stupid, argumentation strategy.

Did the person who compiled the data about racial segregation in Los Angeles schools have a "fantasy" about it too?

You truly sound crazy and like you need to be medicated.

I don't argue with crazy people with disturbing segregationist fantasies. I will just show the data. Here are some links for you to peruse:

This website visualizes DC racial breakdown by neighborhood and starts from 1970:

https://dcist.com/story/20/01/14/this-gif-shows-how-the-d-c-areas-demographics-have-changed-since-1970/

While more integrated than it was, DC still remains quite separated. Meanwhile, the LA Times provides a neighborhood breakdown that, if you walk through, shows much greater average neighborhood diversity than DC:

http://maps.latimes.com/neighborhoods/

None of this is to take away from the very serious racial issues that LA has. Those are undeniable. I agree with the school issues, I don't deny them. But you need to stop with your false characterizations of neighborhood demographics of LA. They aren't supported by data, and you sound like you are making up very disturbing fantasies.