NOVA Teacher Salaries

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The obsession with teachers is insane. Honestly, give it a rest.

I agree. They should stop complaining! Work a full year like the rest of us. Oh, and we will need you to show up on minor holidays, too.

I work in healthcare and work every holiday, even Thanksgiving and Christmas (alternating each year).

You are not making any sense. We are not taking those holidays off. They are holidays that are created by the national government that FCPS chooses to observe. It has 100% nothing to do with teacher work ethic.

It sounds like you're the one who's annoyed with having to work Thanksgiving and Christmas.

The federal, state, and local government could decide on a full school year, but they haven't. If they do, I'm sure plenty of teachers will work it because they'll enjoy having the extra money. But, once again, not something that teachers control. You are placing the blame on the wrong party.

I’m sorry. When you chose to become a teacher as a career, were you unaware it was 10 months pay for 10 months of work? Choosing a career that has 10 month contracts is as something within your control. Quit playing he victim amd on your career choices. Jeez.

They aren’t complaining. They are logically explaining YOUR misconceptions.

There do seem to be many misconceptions and I don’t know why. Around my 20th year of teaching people started asking how close I was to retiring or if I was ready to retire. I can recall two specific instances when I was asked if I was “doing 20 and out”. How many times have I been told “It must be nice to have free healthcare”? How many times have I had to ask people to clarify what they mean by, “healthcare for life”? Neighbors or parents say, “Enjoy your 3 day weekend” when one of the days is a student holiday/teacher work day. Also, the summer break is two months, not three.

*None of this should be read as a complaint. I fully realize my contract is for 194 days and that I have good benefits, job security and decent pay.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We don’t get a pension to whoever the “hello pension! “ person is. They take 1.5-3% out of our paycheck whether we want to or not and put it in a Virginia teacher retirement fund. It’s a forced 401k. It’s not a pension.

This is incorrect for FCPS at least... yes, you get the VA Retirement System (Teachers version) and of course Social Security... but you also get a supplemental defined-benefit pension plan in FCPS: https://www.fcps.edu/careers/retirees/retirement-pension-plans/erfc

DP
The previous VRS link is accurate for every school division in VA. The current VRS for those hired since Jan 2014 is a hybrid defined benefit/defined contribution plan. ERFC is solely defined benefit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The obsession with teachers is insane. Honestly, give it a rest.

I agree. They should stop complaining! Work a full year like the rest of us. Oh, and we will need you to show up on minor holidays, too.

I work in healthcare and work every holiday, even Thanksgiving and Christmas (alternating each year).

You are not making any sense. We are not taking those holidays off. They are holidays that are created by the national government that FCPS chooses to observe. It has 100% nothing to do with teacher work ethic.

It sounds like you're the one who's annoyed with having to work Thanksgiving and Christmas.

The federal, state, and local government could decide on a full school year, but they haven't. If they do, I'm sure plenty of teachers will work it because they'll enjoy having the extra money. But, once again, not something that teachers control. You are placing the blame on the wrong party.

I’m sorry. When you chose to become a teacher as a career, were you unaware it was 10 months pay for 10 months of work? Choosing a career that has 10 month contracts is as something within your control. Quit playing he victim amd on your career choices. Jeez.

PP wasn't complaining, they were just correcting the other post.

[Anonymous]

What holidays? I am paid to work for 190 days and I work for 190 days. I don't get any paid holidays. If you are a 12-month employee, you get paid holidays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The obsession with teachers is insane. Honestly, give it a rest.

I agree. They should stop complaining! Work a full year like the rest of us. Oh, and we will need you to show up on minor holidays, too.

I work in healthcare and work every holiday, even Thanksgiving and Christmas (alternating each year).

You are not making any sense. We are not taking those holidays off. They are holidays that are created by the national government that FCPS chooses to observe. It has 100% nothing to do with teacher work ethic.

It sounds like you're the one who's annoyed with having to work Thanksgiving and Christmas.

The federal, state, and local government could decide on a full school year, but they haven't. If they do, I'm sure plenty of teachers will work it because they'll enjoy having the extra money. But, once again, not something that teachers control. You are placing the blame on the wrong party.

I’m sorry. When you chose to become a teacher as a career, were you unaware it was 10 months pay for 10 months of work? Choosing a career that has 10 month contracts is as something within your control. Quit playing he victim amd on your career choices. Jeez.

They aren’t complaining. They are logically explaining YOUR misconceptions.

And we are just saying that we aren't sympathetic - we are just saying you have no right to whine about your salary given it's only based on 10 months of work AND all the countless holidays (2 weeks of Christmas/Spring Break/teacher "work" days, gift cards galore for presents during teacher Apprcuation WEEK, casual dress and easy commute, and the list goes on).

LMAO!! How brainwashed are you that an employer “allowing” you to wear jeans is some perk? You guys are so sad

Honestly, my favorite part was the gift cards galore. Yes, we get gift cards and yes it's a nice perk. but no one's walking away with $1,000 worth of gift cards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What holidays? I am paid to work for 190 days and I work for 190 days. I don't get any paid holidays. If you are a 12-month employee, you get paid holidays.

So true!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The obsession with teachers is insane. Honestly, give it a rest.

I agree. They should stop complaining! Work a full year like the rest of us. Oh, and we will need you to show up on minor holidays, too.

I work in healthcare and work every holiday, even Thanksgiving and Christmas (alternating each year).

You are not making any sense. We are not taking those holidays off. They are holidays that are created by the national government that FCPS chooses to observe. It has 100% nothing to do with teacher work ethic.

It sounds like you're the one who's annoyed with having to work Thanksgiving and Christmas.

The federal, state, and local government could decide on a full school year, but they haven't. If they do, I'm sure plenty of teachers will work it because they'll enjoy having the extra money. But, once again, not something that teachers control. You are placing the blame on the wrong party.

I’m sorry. When you chose to become a teacher as a career, were you unaware it was 10 months pay for 10 months of work? Choosing a career that has 10 month contracts is as something within your control. Quit playing he victim amd on your career choices. Jeez.

PP wasn't complaining, they were just correcting the other post.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don’t get a pension to whoever the “hello pension! “ person is. They take 1.5-3% out of our paycheck whether we want to or not and put it in a Virginia teacher retirement fund. It’s a forced 401k. It’s not a pension.

This is incorrect for FCPS at least... yes, you get the VA Retirement System (Teachers version) and of course Social Security... but you also get a supplemental defined-benefit pension plan in FCPS: https://www.fcps.edu/careers/retirees/retirement-pension-plans/erfc

DP
The previous VRS link is accurate for every school division in VA. The current VRS for those hired since Jan 2014 is a hybrid defined benefit/defined contribution plan. ERFC is solely defined benefit.

I think the post-2014 hire plan is not something that people outside of the public ed systems understand the full implications of. With the old system, you kind of hit a point of no return where financially it makes no sense to leave the system because your retirement plan is so sweet/tied to your years of service. I looked at leaving around year 9/10 for a job that paid roughly $40k per year more, but that defined benefit plan made even that large jump a financially unwise decision because of the FCPS pension/healthcare benefits. The new system doesn’t reward that 30/33 yr in goal at all. I wonder if after all of the shitty parents/society crapping on teachers this year if we see a larger percentage of these new teachers leave the profession than usual.

[Anonymous]

And as you demonstrate, the old system was pretty unsustainable: when the benefits are so good you won't take a $40k pay increase then it's not hard to see the solvency and tax burden issues will eventually become insurmountable for such a system.

But yes, there's both the VRS retirement plan and also a pension (ERFC).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The obsession with teachers is insane. Honestly, give it a rest.

I agree. They should stop complaining! Work a full year like the rest of us. Oh, and we will need you to show up on minor holidays, too.

I work in healthcare and work every holiday, even Thanksgiving and Christmas (alternating each year).

You are not making any sense. We are not taking those holidays off. They are holidays that are created by the national government that FCPS chooses to observe. It has 100% nothing to do with teacher work ethic.

It sounds like you're the one who's annoyed with having to work Thanksgiving and Christmas.

The federal, state, and local government could decide on a full school year, but they haven't. If they do, I'm sure plenty of teachers will work it because they'll enjoy having the extra money. But, once again, not something that teachers control. You are placing the blame on the wrong party.

I’m sorry. When you chose to become a teacher as a career, were you unaware it was 10 months pay for 10 months of work? Choosing a career that has 10 month contracts is as something within your control. Quit playing he victim amd on your career choices. Jeez.

They aren’t complaining. They are logically explaining YOUR misconceptions.

And we are just saying that we aren't sympathetic - we are just saying you have no right to whine about your salary given it's only based on 10 months of work AND all the countless holidays (2 weeks of Christmas/Spring Break/teacher "work" days, gift cards galore for presents during teacher Apprcuation WEEK, casual dress and easy commute, and the list goes on).

LMAO!! How brainwashed are you that an employer “allowing” you to wear jeans is some perk? You guys are so sad

Honestly, my favorite part was the gift cards galore. Yes, we get gift cards and yes it's a nice perk. but no one's walking away with $1,000 worth of gift cards.

I work in a title I high school. I don’t get (nor expect) a single thing at the holidays. Or Teacher Appreciation (which as a week I actually hate since it’s very disingenuous in a country that hates teachers). That is for rich elementary schools lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don’t get a pension to whoever the “hello pension! “ person is. They take 1.5-3% out of our paycheck whether we want to or not and put it in a Virginia teacher retirement fund. It’s a forced 401k. It’s not a pension.

This is incorrect for FCPS at least... yes, you get the VA Retirement System (Teachers version) and of course Social Security... but you also get a supplemental defined-benefit pension plan in FCPS: https://www.fcps.edu/careers/retirees/retirement-pension-plans/erfc

DP
The previous VRS link is accurate for every school division in VA. The current VRS for those hired since Jan 2014 is a hybrid defined benefit/defined contribution plan. ERFC is solely defined benefit.

I think the post-2014 hire plan is not something that people outside of the public ed systems understand the full implications of. With the old system, you kind of hit a point of no return where financially it makes no sense to leave the system because your retirement plan is so sweet/tied to your years of service. I looked at leaving around year 9/10 for a job that paid roughly $40k per year more, but that defined benefit plan made even that large jump a financially unwise decision because of the FCPS pension/healthcare benefits. The new system doesn’t reward that 30/33 yr in goal at all. I wonder if after all of the shitty parents/society crapping on teachers this year if we see a larger percentage of these new teachers leave the profession than usual.

No, they think we are somehow getting a fully funded pension after 20 years like we are in the 1950s.

Post 2014 hires, you get jack.

[Anonymous]

I’m a lawyer/IT Guy/defense contractor who makes nearly $200k/year to screw around in Word and Excel all day, hasn’t been in an office since March and won’t be until summer 2021 and I think it’s unfair how we coddle teachers. It’s not my fault they didn’t choose connected parents who got them into a college and then a job they weren’t qualified for. I’ll bet if they get fired for harassment they won’t even get a 6-figure separation. They’re so selfish!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The obsession with teachers is insane. Honestly, give it a rest.

I agree. They should stop complaining! Work a full year like the rest of us. Oh, and we will need you to show up on minor holidays, too.

I work in healthcare and work every holiday, even Thanksgiving and Christmas (alternating each year).

You are not making any sense. We are not taking those holidays off. They are holidays that are created by the national government that FCPS chooses to observe. It has 100% nothing to do with teacher work ethic.

It sounds like you're the one who's annoyed with having to work Thanksgiving and Christmas.

The federal, state, and local government could decide on a full school year, but they haven't. If they do, I'm sure plenty of teachers will work it because they'll enjoy having the extra money. But, once again, not something that teachers control. You are placing the blame on the wrong party.

I’m sorry. When you chose to become a teacher as a career, were you unaware it was 10 months pay for 10 months of work? Choosing a career that has 10 month contracts is as something within your control. Quit playing he victim amd on your career choices. Jeez.

PP wasn't complaining, they were just correcting the other post.

+1 I love how one or more snarky parents choose to see a listing of facts as "complaints." Jobs have pros and cons. A teacher listed some of the cons. That isn't a complaint, it is a fact that the teacher sees those aspects as cons. Sheesh. The teacher hate is so strong here that it is crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The obsession with teachers is insane. Honestly, give it a rest.

I agree. They should stop complaining! Work a full year like the rest of us. Oh, and we will need you to show up on minor holidays, too.

I work in healthcare and work every holiday, even Thanksgiving and Christmas (alternating each year).

You are not making any sense. We are not taking those holidays off. They are holidays that are created by the national government that FCPS chooses to observe. It has 100% nothing to do with teacher work ethic.

It sounds like you're the one who's annoyed with having to work Thanksgiving and Christmas.

The federal, state, and local government could decide on a full school year, but they haven't. If they do, I'm sure plenty of teachers will work it because they'll enjoy having the extra money. But, once again, not something that teachers control. You are placing the blame on the wrong party.

I’m sorry. When you chose to become a teacher as a career, were you unaware it was 10 months pay for 10 months of work? Choosing a career that has 10 month contracts is as something within your control. Quit playing he victim amd on your career choices. Jeez.

They aren’t complaining. They are logically explaining YOUR misconceptions.

There do seem to be many misconceptions and I don’t know why. Around my 20th year of teaching people started asking how close I was to retiring or if I was ready to retire. I can recall two specific instances when I was asked if I was “doing 20 and out”. How many times have I been told “It must be nice to have free healthcare”? How many times have I had to ask people to clarify what they mean by, “healthcare for life”? Neighbors or parents say, “Enjoy your 3 day weekend” when one of the days is a student holiday/teacher work day. Also, the summer break is two months, not three.

*None of this should be read as a complaint. I fully realize my contract is for 194 days and that I have good benefits, job security and decent pay.

I often hear about how school employees get cheap healthcare but in comparing with friends and family I find we are right in the middle for monthly costs (I paid around $600/month before we switched to my husband’s cheaper plan.)

[Anonymous]

For individuals, it is REALLY cheap. For a family, it is only about $70 less total than my private sector spouses plan.