WSJ/Times Higher Education: College Rankings for 2021

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting.. my DD got into NYU (#27) but was rejected as in-state at the University of Washington (45).

Both are fairly selective. I wonder if the situation in NYC is affecting applications.

NY is safer than more than 30 states. People from hot states need to quarantine upon entering NY.

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Anonymous wrote:I speak on good authority:
nobody chooses Northwestern over Ivies
nobody chooses Brown over Princeton
nobody chooses Chicago over Columbia
and Georgetown is 10 spots too low

So glad to know you have decided you have good authority, but Brown and Princeton are very different schools and there are plenty of people who would love to go to Brown and wouldn’t even apply to Princeton (and v.v. of course)

While this may seem hard to believe, it is absolutely true and my kid is one of them. It’s not a qualitative decision, many kids pick fit over prestige.

One of my Princeton graduate friends says many of his fellow alums agree “it’s a great place to have gone but not a great place to go“ Or something of that nature and probably with better grammar than I am using!

I do understand it is quite possibly the greatest academic institution in the country, for the record. Just not the right place for every kid no matter how smart.

I think the vast majority of cross-admits are going to choose Princeton over Brown.

Awesome job arguing a point no one disputes, even PP! Genius at work!

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Anonymous wrote:It made this Tar Heel smile to see UNC over UCB. But c’mon... maybe decades ago that would be the case, but now I’d say UNC should be much lower than UCB. Sad but true.

Berkeley is a great graduate school and research school, and a very strong option if you are in a few majors like business or computer science, but I think many schools are better overall at an undergraduate level. It is difficult to get classes, classes are large, professors aren't interested in undergraduate teaching and TAs take a heavy part of the undergraduate load.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I speak on good authority:
nobody chooses Northwestern over Ivies
nobody chooses Brown over Princeton
nobody chooses Chicago over Columbia
and Georgetown is 10 spots too low

So glad to know you have decided you have good authority, but Brown and Princeton are very different schools and there are plenty of people who would love to go to Brown and wouldn’t even apply to Princeton (and v.v. of course)

While this may seem hard to believe, it is absolutely true and my kid is one of them. It’s not a qualitative decision, many kids pick fit over prestige.

One of my Princeton graduate friends says many of his fellow alums agree “it’s a great place to have gone but not a great place to go“ Or something of that nature and probably with better grammar than I am using!

I do understand it is quite possibly the greatest academic institution in the country, for the record. Just not the right place for every kid no matter how smart.

I think the vast majority of cross-admits are going to choose Princeton over Brown.

Awesome job arguing a point no one disputes, even PP! Genius at work!

But that is better than going out of your way to be a prick.

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Anonymous wrote:Completely different methodology than US News, with student test scores and grades, admit rates and yields not included. The rankings are based on resources (like endowment), student engagement (by survey), outcomes (graduate salaries) and environment (measure of diversity). So naturally the wealthiest schools rise to the top. The pecking order we are used to based on selectivity gets shaken up here, after the top cluster at least.

+1

This WSJ list feels like a reactionary attempt by the upper middle class to return college rankings back to the good old days of being the gatekeepers of social status. The schools are ordered largely based on the wealth of the school and its students, along with vestigial “prestige.” It doesn’t say anything about the delta between the where the students start and where they end up, which should be the real measure of a school’s value.

USNews isn’t perfect, but I appreciate how they are attempting to measure the value that a school truly adds by considering the socioeconomic status of the students when judging their outcomes. If a school has a disproportionate percentage of affluent students, its not surprising that the student outcomes look good. I’m more impressed by less exalted schools that consistently deliver positive outcomes for less affluent students.

US News ranking recently seems to be on steroid, with big spurious oscillations from year to year.

The US News top rankings are pretty stable. Perhaps too stable. The big changes recently happened more below 20 or so in the rankings and seem to have been driven by the inclusion of Pell Grants / Social mobility in the ratings. This WSJ ranking doesn't make that much sense to me below the top schools as well.

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Once I get past the top of this ranking, I can look at schools 20 or so spots apart and not see much difference, or I would even flip them in some cases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Once I get past the top of this ranking, I can look at schools 20 or so spots apart and not see much difference, or I would even flip them in some cases.

Just as an example, Illinois is 43, Bates is 63, and the Naval Academy is 83. I would probably completely flip those.

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Anonymous wrote:Once I get past the top of this ranking, I can look at schools 20 or so spots apart and not see much difference, or I would even flip them in some cases.

Just as an example, Illinois is 43, Bates is 63, and the Naval Academy is 83. I would probably completely flip those.

Lol! WTF is BATES

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once I get past the top of this ranking, I can look at schools 20 or so spots apart and not see much difference, or I would even flip them in some cases.

Just as an example, Illinois is 43, Bates is 63, and the Naval Academy is 83. I would probably completely flip those.

Lol! WTF is BATES

A school that stupid people are unaware of.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once I get past the top of this ranking, I can look at schools 20 or so spots apart and not see much difference, or I would even flip them in some cases.

Just as an example, Illinois is 43, Bates is 63, and the Naval Academy is 83. I would probably completely flip those.

Lol! WTF is BATES

A school that stupid people are unaware of.

Can you get a Masters at Bates?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once I get past the top of this ranking, I can look at schools 20 or so spots apart and not see much difference, or I would even flip them in some cases.

Just as an example, Illinois is 43, Bates is 63, and the Naval Academy is 83. I would probably completely flip those.

Lol! WTF is BATES

A school that stupid people are unaware of.

Can you get a Masters at Bates?

Tee hee.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It made this Tar Heel smile to see UNC over UCB. But c’mon... maybe decades ago that would be the case, but now I’d say UNC should be much lower than UCB. Sad but true.

Berkeley is a great graduate school and research school, and a very strong option if you are in a few majors like business or computer science, but I think many schools are better overall at an undergraduate level. It is difficult to get classes, classes are large, professors aren't interested in undergraduate teaching and TAs take a heavy part of the undergraduate load.

This is true for the vast majority of schools in this list (or USNWR for that matter).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It made this Tar Heel smile to see UNC over UCB. But c’mon... maybe decades ago that would be the case, but now I’d say UNC should be much lower than UCB. Sad but true.

Berkeley is a great graduate school and research school, and a very strong option if you are in a few majors like business or computer science, but I think many schools are better overall at an undergraduate level. It is difficult to get classes, classes are large, professors aren't interested in undergraduate teaching and TAs take a heavy part of the undergraduate load.

This is true for the vast majority of schools in this list (or USNWR for that matter).

Starting with Harvard

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once I get past the top of this ranking, I can look at schools 20 or so spots apart and not see much difference, or I would even flip them in some cases.

Just as an example, Illinois is 43, Bates is 63, and the Naval Academy is 83. I would probably completely flip those.

Lol! WTF is BATES

A school that stupid people are unaware of.

Can you get a Masters at Bates?

You undoubtedly would.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I speak on good authority:
nobody chooses Northwestern over Ivies
nobody chooses Brown over Princeton
nobody chooses Chicago over Columbia
and Georgetown is 10 spots too low

So glad to know you have decided you have good authority, but Brown and Princeton are very different schools and there are plenty of people who would love to go to Brown and wouldn’t even apply to Princeton (and v.v. of course)

While this may seem hard to believe, it is absolutely true and my kid is one of them. It’s not a qualitative decision, many kids pick fit over prestige.

One of my Princeton graduate friends says many of his fellow alums agree “it’s a great place to have gone but not a great place to go“ Or something of that nature and probably with better grammar than I am using!

I do understand it is quite possibly the greatest academic institution in the country, for the record. Just not the right place for every kid no matter how smart.

I think the vast majority of cross-admits are going to choose Princeton over Brown.

Awesome job arguing a point no one disputes, even PP! Genius at work!

But that is better than going out of your way to be a prick.

You missed the point entirely if that is what you think. Read it again.