WSJ/Times Higher Education: College Rankings for 2021

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Meh, Harvey Mudd didn’t even make the cut so whoever came up with this list took things personally.

What? How did they manage to overlook Harvey Mudd? It's a top engineering school in the country. They ranked the other Claremont Colleges. Pomona College is #24. Claremont McKenna is #35. Scripps College is #66. Pitzer College is #80.

That's one hell of a miss. Somewhat undermines these rankings.

They didn’t miss. It was intentional, meaning somethings wrong with the methodology. Also,


82 Mich State
83 Santa Clara
83 Texas A&M
83 Naval Academy

Who would place Mich State, Santa Claus, and Texas A &M above the US Naval Academy?

Well, the WSJ ranking explains their methodology and you can look at why the US Naval Academy (or any school) is ranked lower. They have lower outcomes, lower student engagement, and a worse environment, according to WSJ. The biggest factor is outcomes, so it seems US Naval grads probably earn lower salaries than grads from the other schools. BTW, Santa Clara and A&M are not "ABOVE" the naval academy. Did you forget how to read numbers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meh, Harvey Mudd didn’t even make the cut so whoever came up with this list took things personally.

What? How did they manage to overlook Harvey Mudd? It's a top engineering school in the country. They ranked the other Claremont Colleges. Pomona College is #24. Claremont McKenna is #35. Scripps College is #66. Pitzer College is #80.

That's one hell of a miss. Somewhat undermines these rankings.

They didn’t miss. It was intentional, meaning somethings wrong with the methodology. Also,


82 Mich State
83 Santa Clara
83 Texas A&M
83 Naval Academy

Who would place Mich State, Santa Claus, and Texas A &M above the US Naval Academy?

Well, the WSJ ranking explains their methodology and you can look at why the US Naval Academy (or any school) is ranked lower. They have lower outcomes, lower student engagement, and a worse environment, according to WSJ. The biggest factor is outcomes, so it seems US Naval grads probably earn lower salaries than grads from the other schools. BTW, Santa Clara and A&M are not "ABOVE" the naval academy. Did you forget how to read numbers?

I'm not completely sure I understand the outcomes methodology, but could it be that this methodology results in lower rankings for schools that have a larger percentage of students go to graduate school (like Harvey Mudd)?

As to the Naval Academy, they have mandatory service requirements, so of course they are going to makes less money in the first 10 years out of school. Science and engineering majors are going to make less than almost any other non-service academy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Harvey Mudd, for whatever reason, I believe they exclude schools with fewer than 1,000 students. That would include Cooper Union, St Johns (Md)

Insufficient sample size??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Harvey Mudd, for whatever reason, I believe they exclude schools with fewer than 1,000 students. That would include Cooper Union, St Johns (Md)

That’s as arbitrary as excluding Harvard bc it’s associated with Cambridge, MA. WSJ decided to exclude anything associated with “Cambridge“. This theory also explains why Cambridge University is excluded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Harvey Mudd, for whatever reason, I believe they exclude schools with fewer than 1,000 students. That would include Cooper Union, St Johns (Md)

That’s as arbitrary as excluding Harvard bc it’s associated with Cambridge, MA. WSJ decided to exclude anything associated with “Cambridge“. This theory also explains why Cambridge University is excluded.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/USmethodology2021

"First, does it meet the eligibility requirements? This is an abbreviated summary:

Title IV eligible
Awards four-year bachelor’s degrees
Located in the 50 states or Washington, DC
Has more than 1,000 students..."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meh, Harvey Mudd didn’t even make the cut so whoever came up with this list took things personally.

What? How did they manage to overlook Harvey Mudd? It's a top engineering school in the country. They ranked the other Claremont Colleges. Pomona College is #24. Claremont McKenna is #35. Scripps College is #66. Pitzer College is #80.

That's one hell of a miss. Somewhat undermines these rankings.

They didn’t miss. It was intentional, meaning somethings wrong with the methodology. Also,


82 Mich State
83 Santa Clara
83 Texas A&M
83 Naval Academy

Who would place Mich State, Santa Claus, and Texas A &M above the US Naval Academy?

Well, the WSJ ranking explains their methodology and you can look at why the US Naval Academy (or any school) is ranked lower. They have lower outcomes, lower student engagement, and a worse environment, according to WSJ. The biggest factor is outcomes, so it seems US Naval grads probably earn lower salaries than grads from the other schools. BTW, Santa Clara and A&M are not "ABOVE" the naval academy. Did you forget how to read numbers?

I'm not completely sure I understand the outcomes methodology, but could it be that this methodology results in lower rankings for schools that have a larger percentage of students go to graduate school (like Harvey Mudd)?

As to the Naval Academy, they have mandatory service requirements, so of course they are going to makes less money in the first 10 years out of school. Science and engineering majors are going to make less than almost any other non-service academy.

Lots of students choose a school for reasons other then a ranking list. If you want to pilot a nuclear sub or fly a navy chopper, you are going to the naval academy regardless of any ranking on any list. Dont think there are many or any harvard grads piloting submarines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Harvey Mudd, for whatever reason, I believe they exclude schools with fewer than 1,000 students. That would include Cooper Union, St Johns (Md)

That’s as arbitrary as excluding Harvard bc it’s associated with Cambridge, MA. WSJ decided to exclude anything associated with “Cambridge“. This theory also explains why Cambridge University is excluded.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/USmethodology2021

"First, does it meet the eligibility requirements? This is an abbreviated summary:

Title IV eligible
Awards four-year bachelor’s degrees
Located in the 50 states or Washington, DC
Has more than 1,000 students..."

Good find. Caltech has less than 1,000 undergraduates. But including grad students puts it over 1,000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Regarding Harvey Mudd, for whatever reason, I believe they exclude schools with fewer than 1,000 students. That would include Cooper Union, St Johns (Md)

That’s as arbitrary as excluding Harvard bc it’s associated with Cambridge, MA. WSJ decided to exclude anything associated with “Cambridge“. This theory also explains why Cambridge University is excluded.

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/USmethodology2021

"First, does it meet the eligibility requirements? This is an abbreviated summary:

Title IV eligible
Awards four-year bachelor’s degrees
Located in the 50 states or Washington, DC
Has more than 1,000 students..."

This explains why you shouldn’t put too much stock on other people’s ranking game. They all have their own agenda. For all I know, the editor has a thing against Mudd - he was a reject or his kid was a reject. All he has to do now is to come up with a so-so story on why he’s excluding Mudd.

Do your own DIY ranking of colleges and universities. You’ll be better off. And your list will always be reliable.

[Anonymous]

I was surprised UVA and VT have the same average salary 10 years out. Proves major is pretty important to future earnings.

[Anonymous]

where is Colby college?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:where is Colby college?

Waterville, ME

[Anonymous]

Where’s Oberlin?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:where is Colby college?

Weird...not anywhere on the entire list. Must have "opted out"??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where’s Oberlin?

106

[Anonymous]

Michigan 23? Lol. It's 40 at best