For people who say "school is not for childcare"...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

Closing schools definitely has a major impact on US families -- to the point where it can make it hard for families to stay intact and survive -- but that doesn't mean it is a mandate of the schools. Not of how they are designed. The mandate is the education.

Now that also doens't mean that it shouldn't be part of tha mandate -- it just isn't. SO, for example, if you have a kid who leaves formal schooling because you are going to homeschool or unschool, or if the child is over 16 and decides not to go, you can't just drop those kids off at school on the days you need to work. They are either an enrolled student or not, and if enrolled, ithey have to be in classes.a

Some countries have universal daycare provisions, or state-sponsered childcare availability. We don't. Maybe we should. But that's not the same question.

The mandate is not just education. Case point- 4 million meals being served this spring/ summer. These boards were literally begging people to pick up meals because some locations were throwing out so much food. Dont you think they could have cut some locations off that did not have high pick up rates? No, because they must feed families.

Case in point 2- mcps cannot open without providing transportation to schools to children. Why hasn't everyone been screaming, "school is uber!" Bussing is not education. But School cannot open without it by law. Because theoretically school is an uber also. You can't have one without the other.

The school systems and government chose to prioritize what they want- they could do DL and childcate not for pay if they chose to.

Correction
screaming, "school NOT is uber!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

Closing schools definitely has a major impact on US families -- to the point where it can make it hard for families to stay intact and survive -- but that doesn't mean it is a mandate of the schools. Not of how they are designed. The mandate is the education.

Now that also doens't mean that it shouldn't be part of tha mandate -- it just isn't. SO, for example, if you have a kid who leaves formal schooling because you are going to homeschool or unschool, or if the child is over 16 and decides not to go, you can't just drop those kids off at school on the days you need to work. They are either an enrolled student or not, and if enrolled, ithey have to be in classes.a

Some countries have universal daycare provisions, or state-sponsered childcare availability. We don't. Maybe we should. But that's not the same question.

The mandate is not just education. Case point- 4 million meals being served this spring/ summer. These boards were literally begging people to pick up meals because some locations were throwing out so much food. Dont you think they could have cut some locations off that did not have high pick up rates? No, because they must feed families.

Case in point 2- mcps cannot open without providing transportation to schools to children. Why hasn't everyone been screaming, "school is uber!" Bussing is not education. But School cannot open without it by law. Because theoretically school is an uber also. You can't have one without the other.

The school systems and government chose to prioritize what they want- they could do DL and childcate not for pay if they chose to.

So what can students get from schools if they are not getting educated or receiving educational services there? Nothing.

Can students get educational services from schools if they don't participate in the other ancillary services? Yes. You don't have to use the bus, or the meals, or anything else.

The mandate is the education. Sorry, that's just the way it is. I encourage you to work on changing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

Closing schools definitely has a major impact on US families -- to the point where it can make it hard for families to stay intact and survive -- but that doesn't mean it is a mandate of the schools. Not of how they are designed. The mandate is the education.

Now that also doens't mean that it shouldn't be part of tha mandate -- it just isn't. SO, for example, if you have a kid who leaves formal schooling because you are going to homeschool or unschool, or if the child is over 16 and decides not to go, you can't just drop those kids off at school on the days you need to work. They are either an enrolled student or not, and if enrolled, ithey have to be in classes.a

Some countries have universal daycare provisions, or state-sponsered childcare availability. We don't. Maybe we should. But that's not the same question.

The mandate is not just education. Case point- 4 million meals being served this spring/ summer. These boards were literally begging people to pick up meals because some locations were throwing out so much food. Dont you think they could have cut some locations off that did not have high pick up rates? No, because they must feed families.

Case in point 2- mcps cannot open without providing transportation to schools to children. Why hasn't everyone been screaming, "school is uber!" Bussing is not education. But School cannot open without it by law. Because theoretically school is an uber also. You can't have one without the other.

The school systems and government chose to prioritize what they want- they could do DL and childcate not for pay if they chose to.

Why do you think this? It's wrong.

[Anonymous]

It is ridiculous to say, “oh, I know that school as an institution has been providing childcare for the history of history, but that’s just ancillary to the mandate of education. I don’t know why everyone on earth can’t just whip up an easy solution for childcare that doesn’t involve the largest childcare institution in the world.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is ridiculous to say, “oh, I know that school as an institution has been providing childcare for the history of history, but that’s just ancillary to the mandate of education. I don’t know why everyone on earth can’t just whip up an easy solution for childcare that doesn’t involve the largest childcare institution in the world.”

Words mean things. Legislation means things.

If you want school to not just provide childcare by happenstance, but by part of the mandate, then lobby to change the mandate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

Closing schools definitely has a major impact on US families -- to the point where it can make it hard for families to stay intact and survive -- but that doesn't mean it is a mandate of the schools. Not of how they are designed. The mandate is the education.

Now that also doens't mean that it shouldn't be part of tha mandate -- it just isn't. SO, for example, if you have a kid who leaves formal schooling because you are going to homeschool or unschool, or if the child is over 16 and decides not to go, you can't just drop those kids off at school on the days you need to work. They are either an enrolled student or not, and if enrolled, ithey have to be in classes.a

Some countries have universal daycare provisions, or state-sponsered childcare availability. We don't. Maybe we should. But that's not the same question.

The mandate is not just education. Case point- 4 million meals being served this spring/ summer. These boards were literally begging people to pick up meals because some locations were throwing out so much food. Dont you think they could have cut some locations off that did not have high pick up rates? No, because they must feed families.

Case in point 2- mcps cannot open without providing transportation to schools to children. Why hasn't everyone been screaming, "school is uber!" Bussing is not education. But School cannot open without it by law. Because theoretically school is an uber also. You can't have one without the other.

The school systems and government chose to prioritize what they want- they could do DL and childcate not for pay if they chose to.

Why do you think this? It's wrong.

No it's not. Read it last month as one of the school board concerns with returning to school that bussing was a requirement and difficulties with meeting cdc guidelines. Don't ask me for a link because I'm not looking for it and don't care who believes it or not. Regardless, the point is when they open, they will bus, and

School is NOT just education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is ridiculous to say, “oh, I know that school as an institution has been providing childcare for the history of history, but that’s just ancillary to the mandate of education. I don’t know why everyone on earth can’t just whip up an easy solution for childcare that doesn’t involve the largest childcare institution in the world.”

Words mean things. Legislation means things.

If you want school to not just provide childcare by happenstance, but by part of the mandate, then lobby to change the mandate.

Yes, words means things. So saying that school is not childcare is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

Closing schools definitely has a major impact on US families -- to the point where it can make it hard for families to stay intact and survive -- but that doesn't mean it is a mandate of the schools. Not of how they are designed. The mandate is the education.

Now that also doens't mean that it shouldn't be part of tha mandate -- it just isn't. SO, for example, if you have a kid who leaves formal schooling because you are going to homeschool or unschool, or if the child is over 16 and decides not to go, you can't just drop those kids off at school on the days you need to work. They are either an enrolled student or not, and if enrolled, ithey have to be in classes.a

Some countries have universal daycare provisions, or state-sponsered childcare availability. We don't. Maybe we should. But that's not the same question.

The mandate is not just education. Case point- 4 million meals being served this spring/ summer. These boards were literally begging people to pick up meals because some locations were throwing out so much food. Dont you think they could have cut some locations off that did not have high pick up rates? No, because they must feed families.

Case in point 2- mcps cannot open without providing transportation to schools to children. Why hasn't everyone been screaming, "school is uber!" Bussing is not education. But School cannot open without it by law. Because theoretically school is an uber also. You can't have one without the other.

The school systems and government chose to prioritize what they want- they could do DL and childcate not for pay if they chose to.

So what can students get from schools if they are not getting educated or receiving educational services there? Nothing.

Can students get educational services from schools if they don't participate in the other ancillary services? Yes. You don't have to use the bus, or the meals, or anything else.

The mandate is the education. Sorry, that's just the way it is. I encourage you to work on changing it.

The question is not whats mandated, it's what's provided.

But does DL meet "education? "

Don't encourage me to change it. We've moved to an in person private.

I encourage teachers to evaluate whether their students are learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is ridiculous to say, “oh, I know that school as an institution has been providing childcare for the history of history, but that’s just ancillary to the mandate of education. I don’t know why everyone on earth can’t just whip up an easy solution for childcare that doesn’t involve the largest childcare institution in the world.”

Words mean things. Legislation means things.

If you want school to not just provide childcare by happenstance, but by part of the mandate, then lobby to change the mandate.

Yes, words means things. So saying that school is not childcare is ridiculous.

Yeah. Pay attention to the words. "School is not childcare" =/= "The mandate is education."

Schools happen to provide childcare, but as we can see, they do not have to. That is why they aren't.

If you want them to provide childcare, then mandate it. While you're there, sort out what they are going to do with homeschooled or unschooled kids whose caregivers don't want them in class but may want sporadic childcare for their own reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

Closing schools definitely has a major impact on US families -- to the point where it can make it hard for families to stay intact and survive -- but that doesn't mean it is a mandate of the schools. Not of how they are designed. The mandate is the education.

Now that also doens't mean that it shouldn't be part of tha mandate -- it just isn't. SO, for example, if you have a kid who leaves formal schooling because you are going to homeschool or unschool, or if the child is over 16 and decides not to go, you can't just drop those kids off at school on the days you need to work. They are either an enrolled student or not, and if enrolled, ithey have to be in classes.a

Some countries have universal daycare provisions, or state-sponsered childcare availability. We don't. Maybe we should. But that's not the same question.

The mandate is not just education. Case point- 4 million meals being served this spring/ summer. These boards were literally begging people to pick up meals because some locations were throwing out so much food. Dont you think they could have cut some locations off that did not have high pick up rates? No, because they must feed families.

Case in point 2- mcps cannot open without providing transportation to schools to children. Why hasn't everyone been screaming, "school is uber!" Bussing is not education. But School cannot open without it by law. Because theoretically school is an uber also. You can't have one without the other.

The school systems and government chose to prioritize what they want- they could do DL and childcate not for pay if they chose to.

Why do you think this? It's wrong.

No it's not. Read it last month as one of the school board concerns with returning to school that bussing was a requirement and difficulties with meeting cdc guidelines. Don't ask me for a link because I'm not looking for it and don't care who believes it or not. Regardless, the point is when they open, they will bus, and

School is NOT just education.

Even if MCPS has made this a service they provide, state supreme courts elsewhere have decided it is not required, and that is your legal prededent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

Closing schools definitely has a major impact on US families -- to the point where it can make it hard for families to stay intact and survive -- but that doesn't mean it is a mandate of the schools. Not of how they are designed. The mandate is the education.

Now that also doens't mean that it shouldn't be part of tha mandate -- it just isn't. SO, for example, if you have a kid who leaves formal schooling because you are going to homeschool or unschool, or if the child is over 16 and decides not to go, you can't just drop those kids off at school on the days you need to work. They are either an enrolled student or not, and if enrolled, ithey have to be in classes.a

Some countries have universal daycare provisions, or state-sponsered childcare availability. We don't. Maybe we should. But that's not the same question.

The mandate is not just education. Case point- 4 million meals being served this spring/ summer. These boards were literally begging people to pick up meals because some locations were throwing out so much food. Dont you think they could have cut some locations off that did not have high pick up rates? No, because they must feed families.

Case in point 2- mcps cannot open without providing transportation to schools to children. Why hasn't everyone been screaming, "school is uber!" Bussing is not education. But School cannot open without it by law. Because theoretically school is an uber also. You can't have one without the other.

The school systems and government chose to prioritize what they want- they could do DL and childcate not for pay if they chose to.

So what can students get from schools if they are not getting educated or receiving educational services there? Nothing.

Can students get educational services from schools if they don't participate in the other ancillary services? Yes. You don't have to use the bus, or the meals, or anything else.

The mandate is the education. Sorry, that's just the way it is. I encourage you to work on changing it.

The question is not whats mandated, it's what's provided.

But does DL meet "education? "

Don't encourage me to change it. We've moved to an in person private.

I encourage teachers to evaluate whether their students are learning.

So you think that if an institution provides something which it doesn't have to, that they always have to provide it thereafter in exactly the same way?

I bet new baggage fees and no more meals on airplanes really did you in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the point is that childcare is not the primary purpose of school, if it were it would be open year round like daycare.

Yes, but it is A purpose of school. To say it's not puts an unfair amount of burden on working parents.

Closing schools definitely has a major impact on US families -- to the point where it can make it hard for families to stay intact and survive -- but that doesn't mean it is a mandate of the schools. Not of how they are designed. The mandate is the education.

Now that also doens't mean that it shouldn't be part of tha mandate -- it just isn't. SO, for example, if you have a kid who leaves formal schooling because you are going to homeschool or unschool, or if the child is over 16 and decides not to go, you can't just drop those kids off at school on the days you need to work. They are either an enrolled student or not, and if enrolled, ithey have to be in classes.a

Some countries have universal daycare provisions, or state-sponsered childcare availability. We don't. Maybe we should. But that's not the same question.

The mandate is not just education. Case point- 4 million meals being served this spring/ summer. These boards were literally begging people to pick up meals because some locations were throwing out so much food. Dont you think they could have cut some locations off that did not have high pick up rates? No, because they must feed families.

Case in point 2- mcps cannot open without providing transportation to schools to children. Why hasn't everyone been screaming, "school is uber!" Bussing is not education. But School cannot open without it by law. Because theoretically school is an uber also. You can't have one without the other.

The school systems and government chose to prioritize what they want- they could do DL and childcate not for pay if they chose to.

So what can students get from schools if they are not getting educated or receiving educational services there? Nothing.

Can students get educational services from schools if they don't participate in the other ancillary services? Yes. You don't have to use the bus, or the meals, or anything else.

The mandate is the education. Sorry, that's just the way it is. I encourage you to work on changing it.

This is an interesting "or." Did you refer to school as an opportunity "receive educational services" before this for a general population (non-SPED), or is this a way to imply that providing distance learning resources meets the core mandate of schools? Just curious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is ridiculous to say, “oh, I know that school as an institution has been providing childcare for the history of history, but that’s just ancillary to the mandate of education. I don’t know why everyone on earth can’t just whip up an easy solution for childcare that doesn’t involve the largest childcare institution in the world.”

Words mean things. Legislation means things.

If you want school to not just provide childcare by happenstance, but by part of the mandate, then lobby to change the mandate.

Yes, words means things. So saying that school is not childcare is ridiculous.

Yeah. Pay attention to the words. "School is not childcare" =/= "The mandate is education."

Schools happen to provide childcare, but as we can see, they do not have to. That is why they aren't.

If you want them to provide childcare, then mandate it. While you're there, sort out what they are going to do with homeschooled or unschooled kids whose caregivers don't want them in class but may want sporadic childcare for their own reasons.

I think you’re off topic here. School is education and childcare. People think that it isn’t. Those people are nuts. Clearly. That’s on topic.

Schools are required to provide education. They can shrug and say it’s not by job to provide childcare. The fact that they’re not required to supply childcare is a major failure of government. That’s off topic.

[Anonymous]

I do not understand the question. Maybe rephrase?

I have referred to students as "receiving educational services" for the last 20 years or so. It had nothing to do with SPED or non-SPED, or with DL.

[Anonymous]

It means you need to figure it out. Lots of different ways to do it but stop putting your responsibilities on someone else. One parent, family, hire someone, day cares.