DC Episcopal Bishop Decries Trump Photo-op in Front of St. John's

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Anonymous wrote:Wait is it in poor form to use tear gas and rubber bullets are citizens exercising their constitutional right?!


Wait... they had a "constitutional right" to vandalize and set fire to a church?


Nobody gassed on shot tonight to clear the way for the fat orange an,Ed empowers parade was vandalizing anything. Moron.


Says the moron who can't even string a coherent sentence together.


DP. Now you're attacking someone for typos? You don't like that pp pointed out that none of the people gassed tonight were vandalizing anything.

At least pp isn't president. Here's your candidate trying to string a few sentences together in front of the church:

A reporter asked him if it was his Bible and he said, “It's a Bible. We have a great country,” he said. “That's my thoughts. Greatest country in the world."

"That's my thoughts"? Really? And why are you holding a Bible if you're not going to talk about it?


Let’s get one thing straight. The Jews were gassed. The protesters had some tear gas thrown their way so they would disperse after not listening to police when asked to disperse. The protesters will be back to beat and loot tonight. The gassed Jews will never come back.


Dear, you are lumping protesters together with looters. Shame on you. You know better and you know these are not the same people. But you are trying to foment hatred against peaceful protesters. Shame on you. Especially given your concern for the victims of Nazi Germany, you should know better and behave better.


First, don't call me Dear. It's disgusting and sexist. And don't lecture me when you are beating down innocent people, nearly to death.



NP here and you clearly need a lecture. Protesters protest. Looters loot. Two totally different groups.

And the fact remains the trump gassed peaceful American protesters for a truly hypocritical photo op.

Let me say it again: the President of the United States had our US military gas peaceful American protesters for a pathetic photo op while holding a Bible.


Were
They
Asked
To
Leave

YES OR NO


Do they have a right to exercise their first amendment rights to protest peacefully? YES OR NO


Not without a permit in that park. If asked to leave, they must leave if they don't have a permit. So in this case? NO
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Anonymous wrote:Well, I found her tweet disturbing. She was more concerned about Trump than the fact that the "protesters" set fire to the church. Seems a little topsy turvy to me.

I don't like it when any pastors get political--and that includes the ones that support Trump and the ones that don't. They should stay out of politics.


Get off my lawn.
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He’s even holding the Bible upside down.
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Anonymous wrote:Wait is it in poor form to use tear gas and rubber bullets are citizens exercising their constitutional right?!


Wait... they had a "constitutional right" to vandalize and set fire to a church?


Nobody gassed on shot tonight to clear the way for the fat orange an,Ed empowers parade was vandalizing anything. Moron.


Says the moron who can't even string a coherent sentence together.


DP. Now you're attacking someone for typos? You don't like that pp pointed out that none of the people gassed tonight were vandalizing anything.

At least pp isn't president. Here's your candidate trying to string a few sentences together in front of the church:

A reporter asked him if it was his Bible and he said, “It's a Bible. We have a great country,” he said. “That's my thoughts. Greatest country in the world."

"That's my thoughts"? Really? And why are you holding a Bible if you're not going to talk about it?


Let’s get one thing straight. The Jews were gassed. The protesters had some tear gas thrown their way so they would disperse after not listening to police when asked to disperse. The protesters will be back to beat and loot tonight. The gassed Jews will never come back.


Dear, you are lumping protesters together with looters. Shame on you. You know better and you know these are not the same people. But you are trying to foment hatred against peaceful protesters. Shame on you. Especially given your concern for the victims of Nazi Germany, you should know better and behave better.


First, don't call me Dear. It's disgusting and sexist. And don't lecture me when you are beating down innocent people, nearly to death.



NP here and you clearly need a lecture. Protesters protest. Looters loot. Two totally different groups.

And the fact remains the trump gassed peaceful American protesters for a truly hypocritical photo op.

Let me say it again: the President of the United States had our US military gas peaceful American protesters for a pathetic photo op while holding a Bible.


Were
They
Asked
To
Leave

YES OR NO


Do they have a right to exercise their first amendment rights to protest peacefully? YES OR NO


Not without a permit in that park. If asked to leave, they must leave if they don't have a permit. So in this case? NO


Why were peaceful unarmed protestors asked to leave while armed thugs were allowed to storm the Michigan state capitol?
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Anonymous wrote:Well, I found her tweet disturbing. She was more concerned about Trump than the fact that the "protesters" set fire to the church. Seems a little topsy turvy to me.

I don't like it when any pastors get political--and that includes the ones that support Trump and the ones that don't. They should stay out of politics.


Agree. That beautiful, historic church. Where's her outrage about that?






Obviously you PPs are not Episcopalians. As a lifelong one, I completely understand the Bishops reaction and not being more outraged over the vandalism. Maybe come to our church sometime and find out what we are about.
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Anonymous wrote:Wait is it in poor form to use tear gas and rubber bullets are citizens exercising their constitutional right?!


Wait... they had a "constitutional right" to vandalize and set fire to a church?


Nobody gassed on shot tonight to clear the way for the fat orange an,Ed empowers parade was vandalizing anything. Moron.


Says the moron who can't even string a coherent sentence together.


DP. Now you're attacking someone for typos? You don't like that pp pointed out that none of the people gassed tonight were vandalizing anything.

At least pp isn't president. Here's your candidate trying to string a few sentences together in front of the church:

A reporter asked him if it was his Bible and he said, “It's a Bible. We have a great country,” he said. “That's my thoughts. Greatest country in the world."

"That's my thoughts"? Really? And why are you holding a Bible if you're not going to talk about it?


Let’s get one thing straight. The Jews were gassed. The protesters had some tear gas thrown their way so they would disperse after not listening to police when asked to disperse. The protesters will be back to beat and loot tonight. The gassed Jews will never come back.


So, in your bizarre world, that makes it OK to gas peaceful protestors so Trump can have a photo op?

And, OMG, did you actually say "had some tear gas thrown their way"?


Were they asked to leave prior? Yes or no


Do you understand the first amendment? Yes or no.


If they were asked to leave because the President was going to come through,and they actively refused to disperse after being asked multiple times, yes, they can be forced to leave. With tear gas. Furthermore, in a public park, they need a permit to assemble to protest. Did they have one? No.

"When do you need a permit? Protests of 25 people or more on the National Mall or other National Park Service operated spaces in DC require a permit (click here to see a listing of those spaces) require a permit, as does any event that requires streets to be closed. The Metropolitan Police, because they lost an important court case, are required to allow permit-less marches in the street as long as they stay within a single lane. Demonstrations on public sidewalks are legally permissable without a permit so long as they don’t block the walkway and fewer than 100 people are expected. "


The optics are terrible. That's all that matters. Trump gassed people for one of the most inane photo ops in recent memory. Nobody cares about any of your nitpicking, it won't erase this disastrous image.


So you now admit that they were gathering illegally and should have left when they were asked. They didn't, so the police had to use tear gas to force the issue.

The optics? I think the images and video of people being beaten near to death, and all the looting and graffiti far surpass what you are complaining about. But....TRUMP.... BAD ORANGE MAN
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Anonymous wrote:Wait is it in poor form to use tear gas and rubber bullets are citizens exercising their constitutional right?!


Wait... they had a "constitutional right" to vandalize and set fire to a church?


Nobody gassed on shot tonight to clear the way for the fat orange an,Ed empowers parade was vandalizing anything. Moron.


Says the moron who can't even string a coherent sentence together.


DP. Now you're attacking someone for typos? You don't like that pp pointed out that none of the people gassed tonight were vandalizing anything.

At least pp isn't president. Here's your candidate trying to string a few sentences together in front of the church:

A reporter asked him if it was his Bible and he said, “It's a Bible. We have a great country,” he said. “That's my thoughts. Greatest country in the world."

"That's my thoughts"? Really? And why are you holding a Bible if you're not going to talk about it?


Let’s get one thing straight. The Jews were gassed. The protesters had some tear gas thrown their way so they would disperse after not listening to police when asked to disperse. The protesters will be back to beat and loot tonight. The gassed Jews will never come back.


Dear, you are lumping protesters together with looters. Shame on you. You know better and you know these are not the same people. But you are trying to foment hatred against peaceful protesters. Shame on you. Especially given your concern for the victims of Nazi Germany, you should know better and behave better.


First, don't call me Dear. It's disgusting and sexist. And don't lecture me when you are beating down innocent people, nearly to death.



NP here and you clearly need a lecture. Protesters protest. Looters loot. Two totally different groups.

And the fact remains the trump gassed peaceful American protesters for a truly hypocritical photo op.

Let me say it again: the President of the United States had our US military gas peaceful American protesters for a pathetic photo op while holding a Bible.


Were
They
Asked
To
Leave

YES OR NO


Do they have a right to exercise their first amendment rights to protest peacefully? YES OR NO


Not without a permit in that park. If asked to leave, they must leave if they don't have a permit. So in this case? NO


Why were peaceful unarmed protestors asked to leave while armed thugs were allowed to storm the Michigan state capitol?


Because there were no riots, beatings, and lootings associated with the armed individuals that showed up at the Michigan state capitol.
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Anonymous wrote:What Trump did feels a little AntiChrist-ish, doesn't it?


Someone remind me of that passage.


Conservative Christians have literally embraced the devil. They can all rot in hell together with their fake piety.


The episcopal church isn't conservative, nor is Bishop Budde.


+ 1. The Episcopalian church is probably one of the most accepting and open minded Protestant faiths, if not THE most open minded. Not conservative at all. They also speak out against injustices against humanity and believe in upholding the divinity of every single human being, no matter the differences (gay, straight, trans, Christian, non Christian, black, white, etc). Educate yourself.
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Facebook post from the St John's church rector:

Friends, I am ok, but I am, frankly shaken. I was at St. John's, Lafayette Square most of the afternoon, with fellow clergy and laypeople - and clergy from some other denominations too. We were passing out water and snacks, and helping the patio area at St. John's, Lafayette square to be a place of respite and peace. All was well - with a few little tense moments - until about 6:15 or so. By then, I had connected with the Black Lives Matter medic team, which was headed by an EMT. Those people were AMAZING. They had been on the patio all day, and thankfully had not had to use much of the eyewash they had made. Around 6:15 or 6:30, the police started really pushing protestors off of H Street (the street between the church and Lafayette Park, and ultimately, the White House. They started using tear gas and folks were running at us for eyewashes or water or wet paper towels. At this point, Julia, one of our seminarians for next year (who is a trauma nurse) and I looked at each other in disbelief. I was coughing, her eyes were watering, and we were trying to help people as the police - in full riot gear - drove people toward us. Julia and her classmates left and I stayed with the BLM folks trying to help people.

Suddenly, around 6:30, there was more tear gas, more concussion grenades, and I think I saw someone hit by a rubber bullet - he was grasping his stomach and there was a mark on his shirt. The police in their riot gear were literally walking onto the St. John's, Lafayette Square patio with these metal shields, pushing people off the patio and driving them back. People were running at us as the police advanced toward us from the other side of the patio. We had to try to pick up what we could. The BLM medic folks were obviously well practiced. They picked up boxes and ran. I was so stunned I only got a few water bottles and my spray bottle of eyewash. We were literally DRIVEN OFF of the St. John's, Lafayette Square patio with tear gas and concussion grenades and police in full riot gear. We were pushed back 20 feet, and then eventually - with SO MANY concussion grenades - back to K street. By the time I got back to my car, around 7, I was getting texts from people saying that Trump was outside of St. John's, Lafayette Square. I literally COULD NOT believe it. WE WERE DRIVEN OFF OF THE PATIO AT ST. JOHN'S - a place of peace and respite and medical care throughout the day - SO THAT MAN COULD HAVE A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH!!! PEOPLE WERE HURT SO THAT HE COULD POSE IN FRONT OF THE CHURCH WITH A BIBLE! HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STEP OVER THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES WE LEFT BEHIND BECAUSE WE WERE BEING TEAR GASSED!!!!

I am deeply shaken. I did not see any protestors throw anything until the tear gas and concussion grenades started, and then it was mostly water bottles. I am shaken, not so much by the taste of tear gas and the bit of a cough I still have, but by the fact that that show of force was for a PHOTO OPPORTUNITY. The patio of St. John's, Lafayette square had been HOLY GROUND today. A place of respite and laughter and water and granola bars and fruit snacks. But that man turned it into a BATTLE GROUND first, and a cheap political stunt second. I am DEEPLY OFFENDED on behalf of every protestor, every Christian, the people of St. John's, Lafayette square, every decent person there, and the BLM medics who stayed with just a single box of supplies and a backpack, even when I got too scared and had to leave. I am ok. But I am now a force to be reckoned with.

https://www.facebook.com/gini.gerbasi/posts/10157575422089624
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait is it in poor form to use tear gas and rubber bullets are citizens exercising their constitutional right?!


Wait... they had a "constitutional right" to vandalize and set fire to a church?


Nobody gassed on shot tonight to clear the way for the fat orange an,Ed empowers parade was vandalizing anything. Moron.


Says the moron who can't even string a coherent sentence together.


DP. Now you're attacking someone for typos? You don't like that pp pointed out that none of the people gassed tonight were vandalizing anything.

At least pp isn't president. Here's your candidate trying to string a few sentences together in front of the church:

A reporter asked him if it was his Bible and he said, “It's a Bible. We have a great country,” he said. “That's my thoughts. Greatest country in the world."

"That's my thoughts"? Really? And why are you holding a Bible if you're not going to talk about it?


Let’s get one thing straight. The Jews were gassed. The protesters had some tear gas thrown their way so they would disperse after not listening to police when asked to disperse. The protesters will be back to beat and loot tonight. The gassed Jews will never come back.


Dear, you are lumping protesters together with looters. Shame on you. You know better and you know these are not the same people. But you are trying to foment hatred against peaceful protesters. Shame on you. Especially given your concern for the victims of Nazi Germany, you should know better and behave better.


First, don't call me Dear. It's disgusting and sexist. And don't lecture me when you are beating down innocent people, nearly to death.



NP here and you clearly need a lecture. Protesters protest. Looters loot. Two totally different groups.

And the fact remains the trump gassed peaceful American protesters for a truly hypocritical photo op.

Let me say it again: the President of the United States had our US military gas peaceful American protesters for a pathetic photo op while holding a Bible.


Were
They
Asked
To
Leave

YES OR NO

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait is it in poor form to use tear gas and rubber bullets are citizens exercising their constitutional right?!


Wait... they had a "constitutional right" to vandalize and set fire to a church?


Nobody gassed on shot tonight to clear the way for the fat orange an,Ed empowers parade was vandalizing anything. Moron.


Says the moron who can't even string a coherent sentence together.


DP. Now you're attacking someone for typos? You don't like that pp pointed out that none of the people gassed tonight were vandalizing anything.

At least pp isn't president. Here's your candidate trying to string a few sentences together in front of the church:

A reporter asked him if it was his Bible and he said, “It's a Bible. We have a great country,” he said. “That's my thoughts. Greatest country in the world."

"That's my thoughts"? Really? And why are you holding a Bible if you're not going to talk about it?


Let’s get one thing straight. The Jews were gassed. The protesters had some tear gas thrown their way so they would disperse after not listening to police when asked to disperse. The protesters will be back to beat and loot tonight. The gassed Jews will never come back.


Dear, you are lumping protesters together with looters. Shame on you. You know better and you know these are not the same people. But you are trying to foment hatred against peaceful protesters. Shame on you. Especially given your concern for the victims of Nazi Germany, you should know better and behave better.


First, don't call me Dear. It's disgusting and sexist. And don't lecture me when you are beating down innocent people, nearly to death.



NP here and you clearly need a lecture. Protesters protest. Looters loot. Two totally different groups.

And the fact remains the trump gassed peaceful American protesters for a truly hypocritical photo op.

Let me say it again: the President of the United States had our US military gas peaceful American protesters for a pathetic photo op while holding a Bible.


Were
They
Asked
To
Leave

YES OR NO


Do they have a right to exercise their first amendment rights to protest peacefully? YES OR NO


Not without a permit in that park. If asked to leave, they must leave if they don't have a permit. So in this case? NO


Why were peaceful unarmed protestors asked to leave while armed thugs were allowed to storm the Michigan state capitol?


Because there were no riots, beatings, and lootings associated with the armed individuals that showed up at the Michigan state capitol.

That’s because they were saving up all their criminality for this week, all the better to cause more mayhem and pain to black people.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wait is it in poor form to use tear gas and rubber bullets are citizens exercising their constitutional right?!


Wait... they had a "constitutional right" to vandalize and set fire to a church?


Nobody gassed on shot tonight to clear the way for the fat orange an,Ed empowers parade was vandalizing anything. Moron.


Says the moron who can't even string a coherent sentence together.


DP. Now you're attacking someone for typos? You don't like that pp pointed out that none of the people gassed tonight were vandalizing anything.

At least pp isn't president. Here's your candidate trying to string a few sentences together in front of the church:

A reporter asked him if it was his Bible and he said, “It's a Bible. We have a great country,” he said. “That's my thoughts. Greatest country in the world."

"That's my thoughts"? Really? And why are you holding a Bible if you're not going to talk about it?


Let’s get one thing straight. The Jews were gassed. The protesters had some tear gas thrown their way so they would disperse after not listening to police when asked to disperse. The protesters will be back to beat and loot tonight. The gassed Jews will never come back.


So, in your bizarre world, that makes it OK to gas peaceful protestors so Trump can have a photo op?

And, OMG, did you actually say "had some tear gas thrown their way"?


Were they asked to leave prior? Yes or no


Do you understand the first amendment? Yes or no.


If they were asked to leave because the President was going to come through,and they actively refused to disperse after being asked multiple times, yes, they can be forced to leave. With tear gas. Furthermore, in a public park, they need a permit to assemble to protest. Did they have one? No.

"When do you need a permit? Protests of 25 people or more on the National Mall or other National Park Service operated spaces in DC require a permit (click here to see a listing of those spaces) require a permit, as does any event that requires streets to be closed. The Metropolitan Police, because they lost an important court case, are required to allow permit-less marches in the street as long as they stay within a single lane. Demonstrations on public sidewalks are legally permissable without a permit so long as they don’t block the walkway and fewer than 100 people are expected. "


The optics are terrible. That's all that matters. Trump gassed people for one of the most inane photo ops in recent memory. Nobody cares about any of your nitpicking, it won't erase this disastrous image.


So you now admit that they were gathering illegally and should have left when they were asked. They didn't, so the police had to use tear gas to force the issue.

The optics? I think the images and video of people being beaten near to death, and all the looting and graffiti far surpass what you are complaining about. But....TRUMP.... BAD ORANGE MAN

I think you are a toddler in sore need of some sleep.

They weren’t gathering illegally at all - but Trump did just commit a war crime against his own fellow citizens.

You nut jobs keep harping on a few business owners allegedly being beaten, but you don’t care that George Floyd is dead, or that that follows on 400 years of inequality.

You’re worried about graffiti and looting when you don’t care what the GOP has done to the environment or how they’ve robbed the middle class and poor blind to give billionaires more money.

So I say again: go get a snack and go to bed. Hopefully you can wake up more mature in the morning.
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JFC every last one of those cops needs to be ashamed of the fact that they followed an illegitimate command. They’re an embarrassment to the human species.
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