Glazed and chocolate donuts for breakfast most mornings

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What about croissants? Pure butter. Or the cold cuts they traditionally have for breakfast in Germany? It seems that every country has it's vice, but because we're fat Americans, we suck.

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I'm more concerned about processed food than about butter and meat.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm more concerned about processed food than about butter and meat.

I was going to say the same thing. Butter and meat may not be the best foods around, but they are food - a lot more so than Crystal Light or chocolate doughnuts.

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Anonymous wrote:What about croissants? Pure butter. Or the cold cuts they traditionally have for breakfast in Germany? It seems that every country has it's vice, but because we're fat Americans, we suck.

So true. How are donuts any worse than croissants? It's not the donuts for breakfast that cause obesity. It's a collection of a whole variety of factors.

It's wrong to pick on your sister (or SIL, whatever) for what she feeds the kids for breakfast. Are the kids obese? If not, it's her business.

As parents, we all decide what's important to us. If it's important to you not to feed your kids donuts, then don't. If it's important to you to teach your kids to say please, then do so. No parent is perfect. We try the best we can. If that means donuts for breakfast, then fine.

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Anonymous wrote:the sugary drink in the sippies is worse than the doughnuts. what the hell? I hate that when we go out to eat and order milk for my son, the server always asks, "chocolate milk?"
No, we said MILK.

It's still milk if it has chocolate in it, just in case you didn't realize that the chocolate syrup doesn't actually alter the molecular structure of the milk.

No but it adds empty calories, refined sugar, AND chocolate inhibits calcium absorption. So, adding choclate syrup basically turns good old wholesome milk into junk. I have never understood why so many moms semed to think adding choclate is a good way to get their kids to drink milk. Truly the main point of having kids drink milk is for the calcium, otherwise water is much better. In fact, there are lots of theopries that cow's milk (made for cow's babies) is not really very good for humans anyway but, human kids DO need calcium and, ergo, drink milk. So, again, why would anyone add choclate to it???

Let me say first that I am not a fan of the "donut of the day" club. However, I do believe in moderation. If a kid drinks chocolate milk once a day, what's the big deal? My kid has it each morning. But she also eats eggs, PB&J, fruit, chicken, loads of fish, and vegetables - unhappily, I'll add, but she does eat them if they're baked and seasoned!

So to harp on something as silly as chocolate milk is ridiculous. Chocolate milk is not going to destroy a fairly balanced diet.

such extremes on this forum!

No, not extremes. I too believe that most things are okay in moderation too but the entire nutritional rationale for drinking milk is ruined by adding the chocolate. Why not give the child something sweet or a treat later on? If they hate milk, give them a glass of orange juice with added calcium or fat free yogurt but, save the chocolate for later, well after the calcium has had time to be absorbed. Chocolate milk is just D-U-M-B and most parents who give their kids chocolate milk think they are following their pediatrician's orders for the child to have a certain amount of milk (calcium) every day.

Where'dya come up with that little theory? Any evidence to support that? No? Didn't think so. Perchance some people just give it to their kids because it tastes good? Naaaah, that can't be right.

I think the snark bolsters your point. Chocolate cake tastes good too, and my kids would be delighted to have it, but I don't give it to them and call it the equivalent to bread. I wouldn't want the server to suggest chocolate milk because my kids will happily drink milk on its own. But put the offer of chocolate out there and now I have a battle on my hands. I would much rather allow them sweets as a treat, as a little dessert, than in their milk as a matter of course.

Thank you. You totally got my point about how "dumb" chocolate milk is. (sorry - I know that is not the nicest wrod but it really does seem dumb to me). Also, as for "it taste good" well, lots of people thinkn regular milk tastes good too. Americans generally have accilmated themselves to food that is too sweet and all that sugar is showing up in our rates of diabetes and obesity. I remember being told to start my babies (when introducing solid food) on vegetables rather than fruits as once they get a taste for the sweet they will always pick it over the savory. I followed this advice and have always limited sugar foods to treats/dessert as much as possible. My kids are incredibly healthy eaters by their own choice and I think its largely because they were not acclimated to sugary foods right off the bat.

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Anonymous wrote:What about croissants? Pure butter. Or the cold cuts they traditionally have for breakfast in Germany? It seems that every country has it's vice, but because we're fat Americans, we suck.

So true. How are donuts any worse than croissants? It's not the donuts for breakfast that cause obesity. It's a collection of a whole variety of factors.

It's wrong to pick on your sister (or SIL, whatever) for what she feeds the kids for breakfast. Are the kids obese? If not, it's her business.

As parents, we all decide what's important to us. If it's important to you not to feed your kids donuts, then don't. If it's important to you to teach your kids to say please, then do so. No parent is perfect. We try the best we can. If that means donuts for breakfast, then fine.

You cannot compare the croissants in France to donuts in the States. First there is the matter of size, have you seen the size of the croissants in Paris - very tiny. Then there is the portion size, again smaller. Then there is the ingredients, butter is not best, but it is better than poly-hydrogenated whatamacall it. When you add the activity level of the average american kid then donuts for breakfast everyday is definately not a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:the sugary drink in the sippies is worse than the doughnuts. what the hell? I hate that when we go out to eat and order milk for my son, the server always asks, "chocolate milk?"
No, we said MILK.

It's still milk if it has chocolate in it, just in case you didn't realize that the chocolate syrup doesn't actually alter the molecular structure of the milk.

No but it adds empty calories, refined sugar, AND chocolate inhibits calcium absorption. So, adding choclate syrup basically turns good old wholesome milk into junk. I have never understood why so many moms semed to think adding choclate is a good way to get their kids to drink milk. Truly the main point of having kids drink milk is for the calcium, otherwise water is much better. In fact, there are lots of theopries that cow's milk (made for cow's babies) is not really very good for humans anyway but, human kids DO need calcium and, ergo, drink milk. So, again, why would anyone add choclate to it???

Let me say first that I am not a fan of the "donut of the day" club. However, I do believe in moderation. If a kid drinks chocolate milk once a day, what's the big deal? My kid has it each morning. But she also eats eggs, PB&J, fruit, chicken, loads of fish, and vegetables - unhappily, I'll add, but she does eat them if they're baked and seasoned!

So to harp on something as silly as chocolate milk is ridiculous. Chocolate milk is not going to destroy a fairly balanced diet.

such extremes on this forum!

No, not extremes. I too believe that most things are okay in moderation too but the entire nutritional rationale for drinking milk is ruined by adding the chocolate. Why not give the child something sweet or a treat later on? If they hate milk, give them a glass of orange juice with added calcium or fat free yogurt but, save the chocolate for later, well after the calcium has had time to be absorbed. Chocolate milk is just D-U-M-B and most parents who give their kids chocolate milk think they are following their pediatrician's orders for the child to have a certain amount of milk (calcium) every day.

Where'dya come up with that little theory? Any evidence to support that? No? Didn't think so. Perchance some people just give it to their kids because it tastes good? Naaaah, that can't be right.

I think the snark bolsters your point. Chocolate cake tastes good too, and my kids would be delighted to have it, but I don't give it to them and call it the equivalent to bread. I wouldn't want the server to suggest chocolate milk because my kids will happily drink milk on its own. But put the offer of chocolate out there and now I have a battle on my hands. I would much rather allow them sweets as a treat, as a little dessert, than in their milk as a matter of course.

Thank you. You totally got my point about how "dumb" chocolate milk is. (sorry - I know that is not the nicest wrod but it really does seem dumb to me). Also, as for "it taste good" well, lots of people thinkn regular milk tastes good too. Americans generally have accilmated themselves to food that is too sweet and all that sugar is showing up in our rates of diabetes and obesity. I remember being told to start my babies (when introducing solid food) on vegetables rather than fruits as once they get a taste for the sweet they will always pick it over the savory. I followed this advice and have always limited sugar foods to treats/dessert as much as possible. My kids are incredibly healthy eaters by their own choice and I think its largely because they were not acclimated to sugary foods right off the bat.

I am to assume that you didn't give your child breast milk or formula. Both of which are sweet though breastmilk is much sweeter. Children are born with a sweet tooth it's not something you avoid by giving them veggies instead of fruit. It's getting them used to the sweetness of the veggies. I have to admit though there are some sweet veggies out there that we start our kids on. Butter nut squash and carrots being two of them.

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Anonymous wrote:What about croissants? Pure butter. Or the cold cuts they traditionally have for breakfast in Germany? It seems that every country has it's vice, but because we're fat Americans, we suck.

So true. How are donuts any worse than croissants? It's not the donuts for breakfast that cause obesity. It's a collection of a whole variety of factors.

It's wrong to pick on your sister (or SIL, whatever) for what she feeds the kids for breakfast. Are the kids obese? If not, it's her business.

As parents, we all decide what's important to us. If it's important to you not to feed your kids donuts, then don't. If it's important to you to teach your kids to say please, then do so. No parent is perfect. We try the best we can. If that means donuts for breakfast, then fine.

You cannot compare the croissants in France to donuts in the States. First there is the matter of size, have you seen the size of the croissants in Paris - very tiny. Then there is the portion size, again smaller. Then there is the ingredients, butter is not best, but it is better than poly-hydrogenated whatamacall it. When you add the activity level of the average american kid then donuts for breakfast everyday is definately not a good thing.

If you had read up on the studies being done there isn't that much less physical activity with our children than in other generations. It is the food choices people are making and the donuts is a prime example of bad food choices. I have very active children who are in great physical shape but I must admit that during a time when I was going through depression their diet sucked. I have now adopted a diet semi-free of processed foods. I cook breakfast in the morning, eggs and oranges today, school lunch or canned soup for lunch, and a good dinner I have made myself.

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I would not feed my child any of these for breakfast but the big thing that sticks out to me here is the Crystal Light. I would never knowingly give my child a sugar substitute. When I was pregnant this was the main thing that my doctor cautioned me about; everything else in moderation but absolutely no sugar substitutes. It has stuck with me ever since

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Anonymous wrote:I would not feed my child any of these for breakfast but the big thing that sticks out to me here is the Crystal Light. I would never knowingly give my child a sugar substitute. When I was pregnant this was the main thing that my doctor cautioned me about; everything else in moderation but absolutely no sugar substitutes. It has stuck with me ever since

Interesting, I had gestational diabetes and my dietician said yogurt with splenda was OK.

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Feeding my kids a chocolate donut every day? That is a bit much. But some of you are just as extreme on your views that chocolate milk is evil. My 4 year old drinks chocolate milk every day. He is also underweight (seriously, he has zero fat on his little body) and there IS nutritional value in 1% chocolate milk (hello - calcium). My kids eat fruit as snacks, never have other sweets and otherwise eat very well (with the occasional McDonald's, donut, bagel, etc. here and there).

It is all about moderation.

Oh - and the 4 year old doesn't have any cavaties either - it is called brushing your teeth...

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If my child absolutely would not drink milk, I would maybe consider adding a little chocolate to it. But why add the sugar and empty calories if you don't have to? That's what I don't get. Putting aside weight issues, there's just very little nutritive value to the calories in Hershey's syrup or Nestle Quik or what have you...

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I get sick of hearing "Oh we're all doing the best we can." No, we're not. Some people don't want to put in the effort that is required to be a sensible parent. I'm no food police, but I don't give my kids processed crap, anything with high fructose corn syrup, or artificial sweetners. It's garbage food, and anyone who gives their kids donuts and Crystal Light is being an irresponsible parent. If the kids won't eat anything else, that's because they've gotten into bad habits AT HOME. It's not easy helping kids develop good eating habits; but it's part of being a responsible parent. I too see my SIL give her kids tons of soda -- because "that's what they want." Well my kids want to stay up until midnight every night and watch TV every chance they get, but guess what, they don't get what they want.

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Anonymous wrote:I get sick of hearing "Oh we're all doing the best we can." No, we're not. Some people don't want to put in the effort that is required to be a sensible parent. I'm no food police, but I don't give my kids processed crap, anything with high fructose corn syrup, or artificial sweetners. It's garbage food, and anyone who gives their kids donuts and Crystal Light is being an irresponsible parent. If the kids won't eat anything else, that's because they've gotten into bad habits AT HOME. It's not easy helping kids develop good eating habits; but it's part of being a responsible parent. I too see my SIL give her kids tons of soda -- because "that's what they want." Well my kids want to stay up until midnight every night and watch TV every chance they get, but guess what, they don't get what they want.

Totally agree. All the rationalization we do about kids' nutrition -- convenience foods, fast foods, etc. -- has a consequence. America is overweight. And if you don't think doing stupid crap like giving your kids donuts and Crystal Light and chocolate milk throughout the day is to blame then you're in denial.

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My kids prefer chocolate milk, but they still drink white milk. I do not cave into requests for ready-made chocolate milk bottles they have at 7-11 or whatever. The few times I give it to them I make sure it's only a little chocolatey, unlike the ready-made which tastes like liquified candy bar.