CAP Versus Regional IB program?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a test in program but we have no idea how selective it is.

Every established MCPS magnet started under the same circumstances. Someone has to be first!

yes - and that's why I love the idea of these new programs, but would be happier waiting a bit to see how it shakes out. Great it's there, but maybe not so great to be in the first (or second or third) cohort. CAP is a known quantity and maybe the Kennedy IB will be awesome, but it's an unknown at this point. Commute would also be a factor, I suppose... What's the principal of Kennedy like? That would affect my decision, too...

RM is half the distance to Churchill than Kennedy. From a commute and busing standpoint, it would make more sense to have RM be a regional center for Wootton and Churchill.

The building is already 20% over capacity.

With a county wide magnet that apparently is about to end. It would not make sense for RM to be a regional center for 2 W schools when the point of the regional centers was to spread out high performing kids to low performing schools.

"Richard Montgomery High School will remain a countywide application program
for the foreseeable future, as the Grades 9 and 10 programs are built at the three new regional
programs. Outcomes in the regional programs will be analyzed each year as students approach
entry into the IB Diploma Program. In the interim, students with an interest in the IB application
program will be able to apply to the regional program in their region, with transportation provided
(Attachment B), and additionally, will have the opportunity to apply to the countywide program
at Richard Montgomery High School. Notably, there will be additional seats available for local
students at each of the four IB application programs."

From the Sept. 10, 2019 BOE meeting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a test in program but we have no idea how selective it is.

Every established MCPS magnet started under the same circumstances. Someone has to be first!

yes - and that's why I love the idea of these new programs, but would be happier waiting a bit to see how it shakes out. Great it's there, but maybe not so great to be in the first (or second or third) cohort. CAP is a known quantity and maybe the Kennedy IB will be awesome, but it's an unknown at this point. Commute would also be a factor, I suppose... What's the principal of Kennedy like? That would affect my decision, too...

RM is half the distance to Churchill than Kennedy. From a commute and busing standpoint, it would make more sense to have RM be a regional center for Wootton and Churchill.

The building is already 20% over capacity.

With a county wide magnet that apparently is about to end. It would not make sense for RM to be a regional center for 2 W schools when the point of the regional centers was to spread out high performing kids to low performing schools.

"Richard Montgomery High School will remain a countywide application program
for the foreseeable future, as the Grades 9 and 10 programs are built at the three new regional
programs. Outcomes in the regional programs will be analyzed each year as students approach
entry into the IB Diploma Program. In the interim, students with an interest in the IB application
program will be able to apply to the regional program in their region, with transportation provided
(Attachment B), and additionally, will have the opportunity to apply to the countywide program
at Richard Montgomery High School. Notably, there will be additional seats available for local
students at each of the four IB application programs."

From the Sept. 10, 2019 BOE meeting.

But then updated in October 2019 to say that they county had decided this would be the final year for RMIB to be county wide, with the new application based IB models rolling out this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a test in program but we have no idea how selective it is.

Every established MCPS magnet started under the same circumstances. Someone has to be first!

yes - and that's why I love the idea of these new programs, but would be happier waiting a bit to see how it shakes out. Great it's there, but maybe not so great to be in the first (or second or third) cohort. CAP is a known quantity and maybe the Kennedy IB will be awesome, but it's an unknown at this point. Commute would also be a factor, I suppose... What's the principal of Kennedy like? That would affect my decision, too...

RM is half the distance to Churchill than Kennedy. From a commute and busing standpoint, it would make more sense to have RM be a regional center for Wootton and Churchill.

The building is already 20% over capacity.

With a county wide magnet that apparently is about to end. It would not make sense for RM to be a regional center for 2 W schools when the point of the regional centers was to spread out high performing kids to low performing schools.

"Richard Montgomery High School will remain a countywide application program
for the foreseeable future, as the Grades 9 and 10 programs are built at the three new regional
programs. Outcomes in the regional programs will be analyzed each year as students approach
entry into the IB Diploma Program. In the interim, students with an interest in the IB application
program will be able to apply to the regional program in their region, with transportation provided
(Attachment B), and additionally, will have the opportunity to apply to the countywide program
at Richard Montgomery High School. Notably, there will be additional seats available for local
students at each of the four IB application programs."

From the Sept. 10, 2019 BOE meeting.

But then updated in October 2019 to say that they county had decided this would be the final year for RMIB to be county wide, with the new application based IB models rolling out this year.

Please provide a citation. I found no such document.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a test in program but we have no idea how selective it is.

Every established MCPS magnet started under the same circumstances. Someone has to be first!

yes - and that's why I love the idea of these new programs, but would be happier waiting a bit to see how it shakes out. Great it's there, but maybe not so great to be in the first (or second or third) cohort. CAP is a known quantity and maybe the Kennedy IB will be awesome, but it's an unknown at this point. Commute would also be a factor, I suppose... What's the principal of Kennedy like? That would affect my decision, too...

RM is half the distance to Churchill than Kennedy. From a commute and busing standpoint, it would make more sense to have RM be a regional center for Wootton and Churchill.

The building is already 20% over capacity.

With a county wide magnet that apparently is about to end. It would not make sense for RM to be a regional center for 2 W schools when the point of the regional centers was to spread out high performing kids to low performing schools.

"Richard Montgomery High School will remain a countywide application program
for the foreseeable future, as the Grades 9 and 10 programs are built at the three new regional
programs. Outcomes in the regional programs will be analyzed each year as students approach
entry into the IB Diploma Program. In the interim, students with an interest in the IB application
program will be able to apply to the regional program in their region, with transportation provided
(Attachment B), and additionally, will have the opportunity to apply to the countywide program
at Richard Montgomery High School. Notably, there will be additional seats available for local
students at each of the four IB application programs."

From the Sept. 10, 2019 BOE meeting.

But then updated in October 2019 to say that they county had decided this would be the final year for RMIB to be county wide, with the new application based IB models rolling out this year.

? Where does it say that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a test in program but we have no idea how selective it is.

Every established MCPS magnet started under the same circumstances. Someone has to be first!

yes - and that's why I love the idea of these new programs, but would be happier waiting a bit to see how it shakes out. Great it's there, but maybe not so great to be in the first (or second or third) cohort. CAP is a known quantity and maybe the Kennedy IB will be awesome, but it's an unknown at this point. Commute would also be a factor, I suppose... What's the principal of Kennedy like? That would affect my decision, too...

RM is half the distance to Churchill than Kennedy. From a commute and busing standpoint, it would make more sense to have RM be a regional center for Wootton and Churchill.

The building is already 20% over capacity.

With a county wide magnet that apparently is about to end. It would not make sense for RM to be a regional center for 2 W schools when the point of the regional centers was to spread out high performing kids to low performing schools.

"Richard Montgomery High School will remain a countywide application program
for the foreseeable future, as the Grades 9 and 10 programs are built at the three new regional
programs. Outcomes in the regional programs will be analyzed each year as students approach
entry into the IB Diploma Program. In the interim, students with an interest in the IB application
program will be able to apply to the regional program in their region, with transportation provided
(Attachment B), and additionally, will have the opportunity to apply to the countywide program
at Richard Montgomery High School. Notably, there will be additional seats available for local
students at each of the four IB application programs."

From the Sept. 10, 2019 BOE meeting.

But then updated in October 2019 to say that they county had decided this would be the final year for RMIB to be county wide, with the new application based IB models rolling out this year.

? Where does it say that?

PP here. Sorry for the confusion. I meant that that updated info was explained to parents at the high school information nights in October, not through the board minutes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a test in program but we have no idea how selective it is.

Every established MCPS magnet started under the same circumstances. Someone has to be first!

yes - and that's why I love the idea of these new programs, but would be happier waiting a bit to see how it shakes out. Great it's there, but maybe not so great to be in the first (or second or third) cohort. CAP is a known quantity and maybe the Kennedy IB will be awesome, but it's an unknown at this point. Commute would also be a factor, I suppose... What's the principal of Kennedy like? That would affect my decision, too...

RM is half the distance to Churchill than Kennedy. From a commute and busing standpoint, it would make more sense to have RM be a regional center for Wootton and Churchill.

The building is already 20% over capacity.

With a county wide magnet that apparently is about to end. It would not make sense for RM to be a regional center for 2 W schools when the point of the regional centers was to spread out high performing kids to low performing schools.

"Richard Montgomery High School will remain a countywide application program
for the foreseeable future, as the Grades 9 and 10 programs are built at the three new regional
programs. Outcomes in the regional programs will be analyzed each year as students approach
entry into the IB Diploma Program. In the interim, students with an interest in the IB application
program will be able to apply to the regional program in their region, with transportation provided
(Attachment B), and additionally, will have the opportunity to apply to the countywide program
at Richard Montgomery High School. Notably, there will be additional seats available for local
students at each of the four IB application programs."

From the Sept. 10, 2019 BOE meeting.

But then updated in October 2019 to say that they county had decided this would be the final year for RMIB to be county wide, with the new application based IB models rolling out this year.

? Where does it say that?

PP here. Sorry for the confusion. I meant that that updated info was explained to parents at the high school information nights in October, not through the board minutes.

The decision and timeline for changing RMIB from countywide to regional would have to be presented to the board for approval, including a plan for which region RM would cover. That hasn't happened.

[Anonymous]

If MCPS does not have four absolutely equal regional IB programs then the lawsuit(s) will continue. That means equal resources and equal admissions standards. This part of the CYA action is likely already done.

When they apportion the first inputs will be facility capacity and then condition. Proximity and/or commute times will be the third consideration at best. RM is full Full FULL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If MCPS does not have four absolutely equal regional IB programs then the lawsuit(s) will continue. That means equal resources and equal admissions standards. This part of the CYA action is likely already done.

When they apportion the first inputs will be facility capacity and then condition. Proximity and/or commute times will be the third consideration at best. RM is full Full FULL

How can MCPS make them equal...they are dependent on which students apply.

[Anonymous]

I read one poster say their student was accepted to a regional to which they hadn't even applied? That may have been just a computer blip?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read one poster say their student was accepted to a regional to which they hadn't even applied? That may have been just a computer blip?

I believe everyone who applied to RMIB was also considered for their area's regional IB.

[Anonymous]

And a family that doesn't (or won't) consider a program with equal resources and standards won't have much of a case to argue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And a family that doesn't (or won't) consider a program with equal resources and standards won't have much of a case to argue.

But this is where you are wrong. Where are the equal resources and standards? Those buses from all over the county to Rockville cost a lot of money. The regional centers will get to tap into some local buses, but the county will need the buses that are all directed to RM right now in order to get the kids to the regional sites. RM won't need more buses when it becomes a local program (like Einstein). And anyone who thinks MCPS is going to revisit all their work by drawing the boundaries again to include RM as a regional site is mistaken. RM will be announced a local program in this coming year or next, and that is how they will eliminate the overcrowding. County-wide kids graduate and the numbers in the building go down by 100 or so students every year. That means downsizing in the building in more ways than one. Resources, including teachers, will be reallocated. The program already has large classes, and some offerings will probably disappear because there are fewer kids. No more county-wide magnet, no need for transportation. If you want guaranteed transportation all four years go to a regional site. It will be the first resource to go at RM (and also discourages applicants). Once this change is made, the school will no longer be considered a magnet. So those at the school will be stuck there during the transition and the mess that will follow. MCPS will save money on buses and administrative salaries, and make use of the expensive programs already in the regional schools that have historically shown little interest or enrollment from the local school population. The resources will be redirected to supporting these new regional programs. They will get the priority and whatever funding there is. The school that will lose the most is RM, because once RM is equal to the other local school programs, there won't be much to argue about and nothing worth comparing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And a family that doesn't (or won't) consider a program with equal resources and standards won't have much of a case to argue.

But this is where you are wrong. Where are the equal resources and standards? Those buses from all over the county to Rockville cost a lot of money. The regional centers will get to tap into some local buses, but the county will need the buses that are all directed to RM right now in order to get the kids to the regional sites. RM won't need more buses when it becomes a local program (like Einstein). And anyone who thinks MCPS is going to revisit all their work by drawing the boundaries again to include RM as a regional site is mistaken. RM will be announced a local program in this coming year or next, and that is how they will eliminate the overcrowding. County-wide kids graduate and the numbers in the building go down by 100 or so students every year. That means downsizing in the building in more ways than one. Resources, including teachers, will be reallocated. The program already has large classes, and some offerings will probably disappear because there are fewer kids. No more county-wide magnet, no need for transportation. If you want guaranteed transportation all four years go to a regional site. It will be the first resource to go at RM (and also discourages applicants). Once this change is made, the school will no longer be considered a magnet. So those at the school will be stuck there during the transition and the mess that will follow. MCPS will save money on buses and administrative salaries, and make use of the expensive programs already in the regional schools that have historically shown little interest or enrollment from the local school population. The resources will be redirected to supporting these new regional programs. They will get the priority and whatever funding there is. The school that will lose the most is RM, because once RM is equal to the other local school programs, there won't be much to argue about and nothing worth comparing.

Wow... lots of theories and guesses here, but they are just theories and guesses, no facts!

MCPS BOE has said RM will continue as a county wide magnet.
MCPS BOE has said there will be regional IB programs in all areas of the county.
MCPS BOE has said transportation will be provided to the regional and county wide IB programs.

That is ALL they have said.
Please stop guessing and spreading mis-information. If you want to make predictions, clearly state that you are GUESSING this is what will happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And a family that doesn't (or won't) consider a program with equal resources and standards won't have much of a case to argue.

But this is where you are wrong. Where are the equal resources and standards? Those buses from all over the county to Rockville cost a lot of money. The regional centers will get to tap into some local buses, but the county will need the buses that are all directed to RM right now in order to get the kids to the regional sites. RM won't need more buses when it becomes a local program (like Einstein). And anyone who thinks MCPS is going to revisit all their work by drawing the boundaries again to include RM as a regional site is mistaken. RM will be announced a local program in this coming year or next, and that is how they will eliminate the overcrowding. County-wide kids graduate and the numbers in the building go down by 100 or so students every year. That means downsizing in the building in more ways than one. Resources, including teachers, will be reallocated. The program already has large classes, and some offerings will probably disappear because there are fewer kids. No more county-wide magnet, no need for transportation. If you want guaranteed transportation all four years go to a regional site. It will be the first resource to go at RM (and also discourages applicants). Once this change is made, the school will no longer be considered a magnet. So those at the school will be stuck there during the transition and the mess that will follow. MCPS will save money on buses and administrative salaries, and make use of the expensive programs already in the regional schools that have historically shown little interest or enrollment from the local school population. The resources will be redirected to supporting these new regional programs. They will get the priority and whatever funding there is. The school that will lose the most is RM, because once RM is equal to the other local school programs, there won't be much to argue about and nothing worth comparing.

Wow... lots of theories and guesses here, but they are just theories and guesses, no facts!

MCPS BOE has said RM will continue as a county wide magnet.
MCPS BOE has said there will be regional IB programs in all areas of the county.
MCPS BOE has said transportation will be provided to the regional and county wide IB programs.

That is ALL they have said.
Please stop guessing and spreading mis-information. If you want to make predictions, clearly state that you are GUESSING this is what will happen.

But you assume I'm guessing, so I GUESS I am. And I GUESS the BOE operates with no other agenda or interests, spoken or not, and I GUESS we should always believe that what the BOE says is fact is so. Countywide IB is not sustainable nor fiscally responsible.