Encampment by the Metropolitan Branch Trail

[Anonymous]

You guys should nip that in the bud while you still can.

We literally have typhoid over here in California. They're predicting the plague (yes, the BLACK DEATH) next.

It's horrifying and I'm so, so angry that our leaders have allowed this.

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Anonymous wrote:You guys should nip that in the bud while you still can.

We literally have typhoid over here in California. They're predicting the plague (yes, the BLACK DEATH) next.

It's horrifying and I'm so, so angry that our leaders have allowed this.

By the way, I also wanted to point out that as much as people in DC love to wax lyrical about vaccines, the biggest reason for the significant drop in disease death rates was SANITATION, not vaccines. Now we're going back to the middle ages with filth in the streets and rats running around. It's infuriating.

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Yes, it actually is. You can't hold someone against their will even if they are mentally ill. You would need to prove they are a danger to self or others and the burden is fairly high.

Minors are incompetent in the eyes of the law simply due to their age, different issue.

Isnt being unable to care for yourself being a danger to yourself? If you are asking for free food and land, wrapped in multiple blankets in summer, tick or flea ridden and filth encrusted and delusional, what's the difference between being in an institution where you can get actual care?

There is a very high bar for danger to self and it typically involves immediate threats to harm yourself. Neglect usually doesn't count.

This is the current definition, but open to change in the law and further interpretation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't want to be "governed".

I want to be left alone. Just like those people in the camp. Keep your damn governing off me.

Most unhomed people prefer to be on the street over a homeless shelter with rules. They prefer the homeless camps.

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Yes, it actually is. You can't hold someone against their will even if they are mentally ill. You would need to prove they are a danger to self or others and the burden is fairly high.

Minors are incompetent in the eyes of the law simply due to their age, different issue.

Isnt being unable to care for yourself being a danger to yourself? If you are asking for free food and land, wrapped in multiple blankets in summer, tick or flea ridden and filth encrusted and delusional, what's the difference between being in an institution where you can get actual care?

There is a very high bar for danger to self and it typically involves immediate threats to harm yourself. Neglect usually doesn't count.

This is the current definition, but open to change in the law and further interpretation.

Only if you want your rights totally compromised too.

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Yes, it actually is. You can't hold someone against their will even if they are mentally ill. You would need to prove they are a danger to self or others and the burden is fairly high.

Minors are incompetent in the eyes of the law simply due to their age, different issue.

Isnt being unable to care for yourself being a danger to yourself? If you are asking for free food and land, wrapped in multiple blankets in summer, tick or flea ridden and filth encrusted and delusional, what's the difference between being in an institution where you can get actual care?

There is a very high bar for danger to self and it typically involves immediate threats to harm yourself. Neglect usually doesn't count.

This is the current definition, but open to change in the law and further interpretation.

Only if you want your rights totally compromised too.

Yeah, but once people simply take free public land, use public facilities in ways they are not intended (bathing, defecating) there is a right trade off.

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Yes, it actually is. You can't hold someone against their will even if they are mentally ill. You would need to prove they are a danger to self or others and the burden is fairly high.

Minors are incompetent in the eyes of the law simply due to their age, different issue.

Isnt being unable to care for yourself being a danger to yourself? If you are asking for free food and land, wrapped in multiple blankets in summer, tick or flea ridden and filth encrusted and delusional, what's the difference between being in an institution where you can get actual care?

There is a very high bar for danger to self and it typically involves immediate threats to harm yourself. Neglect usually doesn't count.

This is the current definition, but open to change in the law and further interpretation.

Only if you want your rights totally compromised too.

Yeah, but once people simply take free public land, use public facilities in ways they are not intended (bathing, defecating) there is a right trade off.

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Yes, it actually is. You can't hold someone against their will even if they are mentally ill. You would need to prove they are a danger to self or others and the burden is fairly high.

Minors are incompetent in the eyes of the law simply due to their age, different issue.

Isnt being unable to care for yourself being a danger to yourself? If you are asking for free food and land, wrapped in multiple blankets in summer, tick or flea ridden and filth encrusted and delusional, what's the difference between being in an institution where you can get actual care?

There is a very high bar for danger to self and it typically involves immediate threats to harm yourself. Neglect usually doesn't count.

This is the current definition, but open to change in the law and further interpretation.

Only if you want your rights totally compromised too.

Yeah, but once people simply take free public land, use public facilities in ways they are not intended (bathing, defecating) there is a right trade off.

'Not intended' by who exactly? You? God? the founding fathers? A presence on public land is not the same as 'taking' it. By definition it is public and available for use by the public. The constitution is pretty clear in protections of freedom which has led to Homeless pyschopaths camping in public places in major cities and lunatics having complete gun access to shoot up classrooms each week. The privileges of living in a free country.

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Yes, it actually is. You can't hold someone against their will even if they are mentally ill. You would need to prove they are a danger to self or others and the burden is fairly high.

Minors are incompetent in the eyes of the law simply due to their age, different issue.

Isnt being unable to care for yourself being a danger to yourself? If you are asking for free food and land, wrapped in multiple blankets in summer, tick or flea ridden and filth encrusted and delusional, what's the difference between being in an institution where you can get actual care?

There is a very high bar for danger to self and it typically involves immediate threats to harm yourself. Neglect usually doesn't count.

This is the current definition, but open to change in the law and further interpretation.

Only if you want your rights totally compromised too.

Yeah, but once people simply take free public land, use public facilities in ways they are not intended (bathing, defecating) there is a right trade off.

'Not intended' by who exactly? You? God? the founding fathers? A presence on public land is not the same as 'taking' it. By definition it is public and available for use by the public. The constitution is pretty clear in protections of freedom which has led to Homeless pyschopaths camping in public places in major cities and lunatics having complete gun access to shoot up classrooms each week. The privileges of living in a free country.

You are confusing many rights with total rights. The constitution preserves many individual freedoms, but also the community has rights as well.

[Anonymous]

If your "presence" on public land is such that it essentially excludes everyone from that land, then you have effectively "taken" it.

No one is going hike through the middle of a homeles camp, or otherwise use/enjoy a space that is actively being lived-in by homeless people.

Encampments are DEFINITELY a "taking", because the exclude every other person from using that land.

[Anonymous]

Should people poop on the sidewalks in front of your home? How about expose themselves to your children? etc etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If your "presence" on public land is such that it essentially excludes everyone from that land, then you have effectively "taken" it.

No one is going hike through the middle of a homeles camp, or otherwise use/enjoy a space that is actively being lived-in by homeless people.

Encampments are DEFINITELY a "taking", because the exclude every other person from using that land.

So why are they still there

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If your "presence" on public land is such that it essentially excludes everyone from that land, then you have effectively "taken" it.

No one is going hike through the middle of a homeles camp, or otherwise use/enjoy a space that is actively being lived-in by homeless people.

Encampments are DEFINITELY a "taking", because the exclude every other person from using that land.

So why are they still there

Because the politicians in charge want them there.

[Anonymous]

There’s MC college students defecating in public right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s MC college students defecating in public right now.

I know someone who was ticketed for urinating in the woods behind a concert in some rural area, and the charges (if fully successful) would have put him on the sex offender registry. It was very stressful. this seems a bit of a double standard.