Encampment by the Metropolitan Branch Trail

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

We demand unconstitutional stuff all the time - hello? gun control? What's your point?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The authorities need to clear this out, pronto.

Leave these people alone for God's sake. Be a decent human being. No one is "choosing" to live on the streets because they're lazy. They are ill, incapable of helping themselves, incapable of following through with all the paper work or appointments necessary to get the very limited resources that are offered, that take forever to come through anyway, etc etc etc. Where are they supposed to go? I heard on the news a year ago about a man who was discovered living in a hollowed out cave-like area in -- Arlington? They arrested him. Good God, the man is living in an underground cave -- that's illegal?

Grow a heart. Be a decent human being who will make it into heaven one day.

Two solutions-
Forced hospitalization for the mentally ill chronic homeless
And opening day shelters for those down on their luck.
Camps should be razed and libraries should not be the alternative.

This.

unfortunately, there's the constitution

With due process for determination of need for hospitalization, in-patient facilities don't violate the Constitution.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta love democratics and their governing practices.

Yes, I love democrats -- normal americans with normal standards of decency, people who care about their fellow human beings, want to help those in need and want a government that reflects their normalcy and decency by taking care of those in need rather than being heartless and indifferent to them. yes, I do love democrats.

But it is this attitude that created the need for sleeping under bridges. People who thought that they were being compassionate (and the ACLU) shut down all of the in-patient facilities to promote "community care". Now people are on the street and you want us to just provide Porta-Potties. Some of us don't see the compassion in that.

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta love democratics and their governing practices.

What have the Republicans done to help the mentally ill and homeless?

Can't get much done when either party wants to do ANYTHING but govern, term limits is the only way.

This is a Republican talking point. When Republicans are in power and clearly destroying democracy it’s “both sides are bad!” nonstop.

No. Democrats want to govern. Republicans want to destroy government to cut taxes on their billionaire donors. That’s it.

[Anonymous]

I don't want to be "governed".

I want to be left alone. Just like those people in the camp. Keep your damn governing off me.

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Yes, it actually is. You can't hold someone against their will even if they are mentally ill. You would need to prove they are a danger to self or others and the burden is fairly high.

Minors are incompetent in the eyes of the law simply due to their age, different issue.

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Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Yes, it actually is. You can't hold someone against their will even if they are mentally ill. You would need to prove they are a danger to self or others and the burden is fairly high.

Minors are incompetent in the eyes of the law simply due to their age, different issue.

Isnt being unable to care for yourself being a danger to yourself? If you are asking for free food and land, wrapped in multiple blankets in summer, tick or flea ridden and filth encrusted and delusional, what's the difference between being in an institution where you can get actual care?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Yes, it actually is. You can't hold someone against their will even if they are mentally ill. You would need to prove they are a danger to self or others and the burden is fairly high.

Minors are incompetent in the eyes of the law simply due to their age, different issue.

Isnt being unable to care for yourself being a danger to yourself? If you are asking for free food and land, wrapped in multiple blankets in summer, tick or flea ridden and filth encrusted and delusional, what's the difference between being in an institution where you can get actual care?

There is a very high bar for danger to self and it typically involves immediate threats to harm yourself. Neglect usually doesn't count.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The encampments are a public health disaster waiting to happen.

How so?

Seriously?

Go visit a country like India with people living and defecating in the streets. Open, raw sewage. Do you not see how that leads to health problems? TB is just one issue.

Cities in India are actually trying to clean up these settlements and you want them to flourish here in the US?

No one wants them to flourish here. Obviously. The point is that these are human beings who will continue to need to defecate wherever you send them. Clearing out an encampment like this is not going to stop them from shitting on a daily basis. Come up with a civilized alternative for them.

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.
Federal work camps

I’m the person who said it was a public health disaster waiting to happen. Government-run “work camps“ are also notorious for epidemics. This is what my undergrad degree focused on.

The government needs to build CCC-like camps for chronically homeless adults. They should be compulsory. The campers can rebuild national park infrastructure and trails or retrofit affordable homes with solar panel. Government should provide medical care, including mental health care as necessary, plus three squares a day and training. Once government meets those obligations, no one should have the right to beg, sleep and defecate on the street.

Chronically homeless adults have severe mental health or substance abuse problems. They are not able to do the type of work you mention. They will still defecate in the wrong places because they are very ill. Do you really want to give pickaxes to the same people you are afraid to ride the Metro with?

Then those people need to be removed from the societal context and locked up. Forcibly and indefinitely.

well that's unconstitutional. do you have any actual ideas?

Is caring for someone who demonstrably can't care for themselves unconstitutional? Is foster care unconstitutional?

Yes, it actually is. You can't hold someone against their will even if they are mentally ill. You would need to prove they are a danger to self or others and the burden is fairly high.

Minors are incompetent in the eyes of the law simply due to their age, different issue.

Isnt being unable to care for yourself being a danger to yourself? If you are asking for free food and land, wrapped in multiple blankets in summer, tick or flea ridden and filth encrusted and delusional, what's the difference between being in an institution where you can get actual care?

There is a very high bar for danger to self and it typically involves immediate threats to harm yourself. Neglect usually doesn't count.

Then we need to reapproach this legislatively. It sounds like the bar is too high resulting in self-harm, public nuisance, and harm to others--as well as people who desperately need care not receiving it, because they are incompetent to ask.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The authorities need to clear this out, pronto.

+2, it's disgusting what those people are doing to the environment. Look at all the trash. Where are they going to the bathroom? That camp is basically a hazmat site. It'll cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to clean it up and mitigate all the environmental damage.

I’d bet your environmental damage footprint is way bigger than theirs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The authorities need to clear this out, pronto.

+2, it's disgusting what those people are doing to the environment. Look at all the trash. Where are they going to the bathroom? That camp is basically a hazmat site. It'll cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to clean it up and mitigate all the environmental damage.

I’d bet your environmental damage footprint is way bigger than theirs.

So you are an anarchist. Let's just clear that up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The authorities need to clear this out, pronto.

+2, it's disgusting what those people are doing to the environment. Look at all the trash. Where are they going to the bathroom? That camp is basically a hazmat site. It'll cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to clean it up and mitigate all the environmental damage.

I’d bet your environmental damage footprint is way bigger than theirs.

I seriously doubt that.