MAP scores for all to see

[Anonymous]

Relax? Do you know what teachers are telling elementary school students about MAP? I'll go first:
-you must try to go up by X points on today's test
-your score was lower than I expected, try to do better on the next test.
-this test is really important for your placement in math in 4th grade
-this test is really important for your placement in math in 6th grade
-here is a report with all of your previous MAP scores. You want to see an upward trend. You'll want to improve on your MAP score each time you take it.


AND? This test IS important for placement in math in 6th grade, and students DO want to see an upward trend. That's what MAPs are for, in the first place.
Frankly, you sound dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

If teachers are posting kids' scores on the board and ranking them for everyone else to see, that's definitely an issue and I would talk to the teacher ASAP. If kids happen to know their scores, and some choose to share then that's very different.

Did you miss the whole point of the comments earlier. The MAP score shows up on the screen. Kids that are finished sutvand wait. They all see it. You might as well put it up on the board. My kid knows at least half the class’s score. They are bored when they are done. This is what they do.

If your kid is staring at other children's screens after the test, maybe you should teach them to not do that. My kids share scores with a few other friends, but outside of that, they could care less who got what. Neither are they phase by others who have higher scores, as it should be.

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My child took MAPs a couple of weeks ago, came home and said: "Guess what, we took MAPs, today, I got 230 and Larla (her best friend) got 232 and there's a kid in Ms Smith's class who was coming up to everyone who would listen telling them he got 280." That was the extent of her knowledge of other students' scores. Yeah, friends talk, but, apart from that, teach your child to look at this own screen if someone's higher scores are so traumatizing to him.

How about MCPS doesn't flash the score on the screen and just registers it and sends a sealed note home to the parents. Then no one will have to tell their 3rd graders to purposely not look at a screen or see a score by mistake and compare it to theirs. Or have kids coming up asking what everyone's scores are. Seems like a much easier solution.

Anything the school sends to us takes foverer to get. Look at the PARCC. I rather the immediate scores than not getting it for month on end.

Who gives a CRAP about PARCC. It means nothing. It literally does not mean a thing. I don't even care what my kids get on it. I don't even think I have ever looked at them.

So you will be okay, when your kid is taking the ACT for college that everyone's scores pop up when they are done, in front of everyone else that has finished or is still taking it. You don't find that distracting for the students who are already under enough pressure? You don't find that it is a confidentiality issue? Or are you saying you are okay with those things as long as you get a quicker score from the mouth of your kid?

It is elementary school MAP scores. Relax. This is not like releasing your tax forms.

So 8 year olds don't deserve privacy is that you are saying?

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

If teachers are posting kids' scores on the board and ranking them for everyone else to see, that's definitely an issue and I would talk to the teacher ASAP. If kids happen to know their scores, and some choose to share then that's very different.

Did you miss the whole point of the comments earlier. The MAP score shows up on the screen. Kids that are finished sutvand wait. They all see it. You might as well put it up on the board. My kid knows at least half the class’s score. They are bored when they are done. This is what they do.

If your kid is staring at other children's screens after the test, maybe you should teach them to not do that. My kids share scores with a few other friends, but outside of that, they could care less who got what. Neither are they phase by others who have higher scores, as it should be.

This!
My child took MAPs a couple of weeks ago, came home and said: "Guess what, we took MAPs, today, I got 230 and Larla (her best friend) got 232 and there's a kid in Ms Smith's class who was coming up to everyone who would listen telling them he got 280." That was the extent of her knowledge of other students' scores. Yeah, friends talk, but, apart from that, teach your child to look at this own screen if someone's higher scores are so traumatizing to him.

How about MCPS doesn't flash the score on the screen and just registers it and sends a sealed note home to the parents. Then no one will have to tell their 3rd graders to purposely not look at a screen or see a score by mistake and compare it to theirs. Or have kids coming up asking what everyone's scores are. Seems like a much easier solution.

Anything the school sends to us takes foverer to get. Look at the PARCC. I rather the immediate scores than not getting it for month on end.

Who gives a CRAP about PARCC. It means nothing. It literally does not mean a thing. I don't even care what my kids get on it. I don't even think I have ever looked at them.

So you will be okay, when your kid is taking the ACT for college that everyone's scores pop up when they are done, in front of everyone else that has finished or is still taking it. You don't find that distracting for the students who are already under enough pressure? You don't find that it is a confidentiality issue? Or are you saying you are okay with those things as long as you get a quicker score from the mouth of your kid?

It is elementary school MAP scores. Relax. This is not like releasing your tax forms.

Relax? Do you know what teachers are telling elementary school students about MAP? I'll go first:
-you must try to go up by X points on today's test
-your score was lower than I expected, try to do better on the next test.
-this test is really important for your placement in math in 4th grade
-this test is really important for your placement in math in 6th grade
-here is a report with all of your previous MAP scores. You want to see an upward trend. You'll want to improve on your MAP score each time you take it.

So you rather the teacher NOT say anything to the child? Sorry, but if it were my kid and she's been slacking off and not taking certain tests seriously, I would want my teacher to say something. In an ideal world, I would want the school to give the parents a heads up (maybe a few days would be nice) to let parents know when the tests would be so that we can make sure our kids are well rested from the night before.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s definitely wrong to post their scores. DS said he saw the scores of all of his classmates and was by far the lowest and felt really badly. I applaud those students with high scores, they should be proud and should be celebrated for their achievement, but for the rest of us, could we have more privacy? As adults, we don’t advertise our salaries, let’s give our children the same courtesy.

Agree. It is embarrassing that MCPS does this.

Except that MCPS does not do this.

Walk into any MCPS classroom and there is no list of MAP scores posted anywhere.

They post the scores on the screen. My kid sits in a box with all the computers against the wall facing towards the middle of the room. Once you are done, you can see anyone else's score who pops up. If there is a glitch and the computers shut down, the teacher will ask out loud scores of the kids that did not register, but said a score popped up. I know this because I help volunteer and have seen it myself. It is to avoid retaking the test. She adds the score to her computer. Add to the fact that I am volunteering and can also see everyone else's score. It isn't right.

So did you say anything to the teacher, or did you just stick around to stare at other kids' scores?

Not the PP, but are you the same person blaming the young kid for seeing other scores? Now you are blaming a parent volunteer who didn't even say she stared at scores? LOL

Do you make sure your girls don't wear short skirts because if someone sexually harassed them, it would be their fault, right?

If a parent is right there volunteering, and sees something that is questionable to her, like children's scores beind read aloud to volunteered parents, then perhaps the volunteer parent should say something to the teacher at that very instant. That is my point.

Yes, that will happen. Tell the teacher in that very instant. Maybe bring them to the principal too.

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

If teachers are posting kids' scores on the board and ranking them for everyone else to see, that's definitely an issue and I would talk to the teacher ASAP. If kids happen to know their scores, and some choose to share then that's very different.

Did you miss the whole point of the comments earlier. The MAP score shows up on the screen. Kids that are finished sutvand wait. They all see it. You might as well put it up on the board. My kid knows at least half the class’s score. They are bored when they are done. This is what they do.

If your kid is staring at other children's screens after the test, maybe you should teach them to not do that. My kids share scores with a few other friends, but outside of that, they could care less who got what. Neither are they phase by others who have higher scores, as it should be.

This!
My child took MAPs a couple of weeks ago, came home and said: "Guess what, we took MAPs, today, I got 230 and Larla (her best friend) got 232 and there's a kid in Ms Smith's class who was coming up to everyone who would listen telling them he got 280." That was the extent of her knowledge of other students' scores. Yeah, friends talk, but, apart from that, teach your child to look at this own screen if someone's higher scores are so traumatizing to him.

How about MCPS doesn't flash the score on the screen and just registers it and sends a sealed note home to the parents. Then no one will have to tell their 3rd graders to purposely not look at a screen or see a score by mistake and compare it to theirs. Or have kids coming up asking what everyone's scores are. Seems like a much easier solution.

Anything the school sends to us takes foverer to get. Look at the PARCC. I rather the immediate scores than not getting it for month on end.

Who gives a CRAP about PARCC. It means nothing. It literally does not mean a thing. I don't even care what my kids get on it. I don't even think I have ever looked at them.

So you will be okay, when your kid is taking the ACT for college that everyone's scores pop up when they are done, in front of everyone else that has finished or is still taking it. You don't find that distracting for the students who are already under enough pressure? You don't find that it is a confidentiality issue? Or are you saying you are okay with those things as long as you get a quicker score from the mouth of your kid?

It is elementary school MAP scores. Relax. This is not like releasing your tax forms.

So 8 year olds don't deserve privacy is that you are saying?

Not when it comes to this. MAPs are interesting scores only because I track my own kids' progression (not some other child's and I could care less what your kid got). I mean, they are group by reading abilities and all the kids know which group is the highest or lowest. There is also spelling group. Then there is math. There are also the kids who get the pullouts, push-ins. There is no secrets going on in school. Students should be taught to focus on improving themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:At my child's ES, their MAP test scores would show up on the computer as soon as they were finished - so then the kids all talked about and compared their scores. Now in middle school, it's even worse since some of the teachers give a prize for the highest score or call out a child who got a high score. Is anyone else bothered by this?

MAP tests feel different than a class test and I don't see why the kids need to know their scores. The children who didn't score as high feel crummy about themselves [b]and the high scorers who have been doted on by the teacher risk getting blowback from possibly jealous peers.

Does anyone know if it's a county-wide policy that the scores come up automatically or have our ES and MS just done it this way?

Thanks

I'm sorry, OP, that your snowflakes aren't as bright as Larlo and Larla at the next table, but this is life. Newsflash: the high scorers aren't getting any blowback from anyone, they didn't cheat on the test and they earned their scores, fair and square.. If you want your children to stop 'feeling crummy about themselves', tell them to study harder. MAP scores will improve, I guarantee!

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Study what?

[Anonymous]

Yuck, I didn’t even realize the scores are flashed on the screen. That is in really bad taste. I will be complaining. This is a simple coding issue that can easily be corrected.

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Anonymous wrote:Yuck, I didn’t even realize the scores are flashed on the screen. That is in really bad taste. I will be complaining. This is a simple coding issue that can easily be corrected.

It's not in bad taste. It's access to information. Kids have the right to know how they're doing. In my school, they don't even send home the printed copies of the MAP scores (the parent has to know where to find them in the portal).

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Anonymous wrote:Yuck, I didn’t even realize the scores are flashed on the screen. That is in really bad taste. I will be complaining. This is a simple coding issue that can easily be corrected.

Don't forget to push the PTA to provide invisible ink for teachers when they grade papers.

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Anonymous wrote:Yuck, I didn’t even realize the scores are flashed on the screen. That is in really bad taste. I will be complaining. This is a simple coding issue that can easily be corrected.

Don't forget to push the PTA to provide invisible ink for teachers when they grade papers.

My daughter is in 5th and has never had a graded paper or a test in ES.

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Anonymous wrote:Yuck, I didn’t even realize the scores are flashed on the screen. That is in really bad taste. I will be complaining. This is a simple coding issue that can easily be corrected.

Don't forget to push the PTA to provide invisible ink for teachers when they grade papers.

Some parents just look for things to complain about. Sorry your snowflake is disturbed by the thought that others might be performing better than them.

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Anonymous wrote:At my child's ES, their MAP test scores would show up on the computer as soon as they were finished - so then the kids all talked about and compared their scores. Now in middle school, it's even worse since some of the teachers give a prize for the highest score or call out a child who got a high score. Is anyone else bothered by this?

MAP tests feel different than a class test and I don't see why the kids need to know their scores. The children who didn't score as high feel crummy about themselves [b]and the high scorers who have been doted on by the teacher risk getting blowback from possibly jealous peers.

Does anyone know if it's a county-wide policy that the scores come up automatically or have our ES and MS just done it this way?

Thanks

I'm sorry, OP, that your snowflakes aren't as bright as Larlo and Larla at the next table, but this is life. Newsflash: the high scorers aren't getting any blowback from anyone, they didn't cheat on the test and they earned their scores, fair and square.. If you want your children to stop 'feeling crummy about themselves', tell them to study harder. MAP scores will improve, I guarantee!

OP might be wrong and probably motivated by the fact their “snowflakes” aren't as MPA-bright as Larlo and Larla at the next table, and yes this is life. However, this does not mean that the extreme competition/war/fight/antagonism that we all (including our kids) “enjoy” every day is as productive as it seems you think. I am saying this even though I tried (and continue to try) hard to support my DC to have the highest MAP-score in school. Of course, the fact that I want my DC to be a survivor does not make me a war lover.

Have you ever thought why the MAP tests allow questions that go beyond (often well beyond) the subjects that have been taught in class? Because they want to distinguish not only the talented ones but also those who have the means.

Regarding the OP and those who share the same concerns: I see your point, but in a world where all these (grades, scores, etc.) exist, it is unreasonable to believe that this information will remain classified. Students flourish in classes and therefore communicate with each other. Even, if you hide your MAP-score, you will be unable to hide your bad grades and that you struggle during the school day. At least MAP-scores are objective measurements.

If MAP-score is a problem, then what about a) compacted math, b) magnet school, c) ivy league universities, d) valedictorians, etc. All these, which are much more critical, produce crummy feelings too. And the worst thing is that none of these is transparent.

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Anonymous wrote:Yuck, I didn’t even realize the scores are flashed on the screen. That is in really bad taste. I will be complaining. This is a simple coding issue that can easily be corrected.

It's okay. I received a paper yesterday with the MAP score of another child with the same first name. So I guess another parent has mine. Nice, huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers don't need to record these scores on some excel spread sheet. When students take these tests, the test itself is associated with the specific student, i.e. connected to their mcps ID. So for a teacher to have to call each child over once he is done to record scores on a spreadsheet sounds like some kind of backwards technology being employed. Does not sound correct to me.

I think there's a delay in when the county gives the information to the teachers and the ones that want to know right away for grouping or intervention do it exactly the way PPs described at our DD's school. When a child finishes they tell the score to the teacher who writes it down or inputs it into her computer. In the process of jotting down the scores many students take a peek at the other scores. In the early grades they probably don't know what it means but by 4th or 5th many of them can see that their number is higher or lower than other numbers and they remember. Even if they don't see the list, many kids pay attention when the other kids say their scores out loud.

This is not standard practice but I don't think it's really out of the norm either.

I don't know of any school that actually posts the information.