MAP scores for all to see

[Anonymous]

Wow. I've always thought that having each kid obtain his or her score instantly was not only pointless, but an unhealthy emphasis on outcome (versus process). Sounds like there are plenty of MCPS parents who think this feature is harmless, even for elementary school students.

I still don't understand why the student needs the score instantaneously. Why can't it just be accessible by teachers and parents? Can MCPS at least turn off the feature for kids with test anxiety?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. I've always thought that having each kid obtain his or her score instantly was not only pointless, but an unhealthy emphasis on outcome (versus process). Sounds like there are plenty of MCPS parents who think this feature is harmless, even for elementary school students.

I still don't understand why the student needs the score instantaneously. Why can't it just be accessible by teachers and parents? Can MCPS at least turn off the feature for kids with test anxiety?

Wow. You sound obtuse.

There is no 'process' in testing other than answering questions with the sole purpose of getting a score. This is how standardized testing works: you either know your multiplication facts and answer the question correctly, or you don't know them and get the answer wrong and that would be reflected in your score. Once you've completed the test, there will be no explanation of your mistakes, just the score that reflects your knowledge of the material being tested. If your score is low, it only means one thing: you don't know the stuff!

This isn't the same as comparing IQ scores that are supposed to measure raw ability;

[Anonymous]

PP here. This topic seems to be a trigger for you. I think we can agree to disagree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

Good God - are you for real? The kids who have tiger moms who "enrich" at home should be able to proudly tell their MAP scores to the poor kids or middle class struggling families who don't have the resources or time for enrichment? Check yourself please. Just terrible

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

The difficulty with this is some children have no access to enrichment. Their peers adjust expectations for each other (as do teachers) based on these 3x yearly scores. Expectations are often self proving. So, seems unfair to have a system that is effectively a public ranking of quite young children.

Also, I think you are talking about the one-off, where someone is so poor they don't have access to a computer at all. Most parents I know at our school have cell phones. Most parents I know have at least laptop at home that they can share with their kids if the kid likes to access resources. The library is also free for all to use. If the library is not available, there are online library of free books that kids can access to read. Kids can also borrow books from their school library.

Lady, you are so highly entitled that you have no idea that it isn't just an issue of having a cell phone that you can so easily enrich.

Mental health issues (parents or kids)
Disabilities (that can be seen or unknown - again kids or parents)
Financial hardships (not FARMS, but having issues)
Single parents
Immigrants with limited English
Families that don't understand the curriculum or how to teach it
Having more than 1-2 kids that you can not helicopter all day and night
Siblings with issues that need more time
Divorce or parent issues
Death in the family
Parents that work multiple jobs or their own business and aren't there for after school or evening
Some kids in upper elementary school are actually watching younger siblings after school
Some kids are on their own until dinner time and then their parent(s) has to do dinner, chores, and bedtime.


You thinking only poor people can not enrich and everyone else with a cell phone has no excuse? I absolutely LOATHE moms like you. And I truly believe inside you loathe yourself and that is why you come here on an anonymous board with your almighty attitude that everyone should be teaching their kids at home. Guess what? They are in school for 6-7 hours a day. Almost as much as a work day. And they are kids. Young kids! And they deserve to be kids. Not going on a race to nowhere with high test scores to please moms like you trying to live thru your kids mediocre MAP score achievements. Kudos to you for having Larla do her math facts and 30min of Khan a day. All it shows is how crappy public school education is. Nothing else. It does not mean your child is smarter than anyone else in the class. It just shows they work for another hour a day to memorize and be something you may be proud of. That their self worth is based on their MAP scores. Great job. We are all happy for you.

[Anonymous]

Yep, kids know each other’s scores. DC’s friends are all 20~30 points higher than his. But It doesn’t bother him or us at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

Good God - are you for real? The kids who have tiger moms who "enrich" at home should be able to proudly tell their MAP scores to the poor kids or middle class struggling families who don't have the resources or time for enrichment? Check yourself please. Just terrible

Kids will share whatever they want to share. They share information about summer vacations, gifts they get over the holiday, etc. I remind my kids not to share scores with others nor ask anyone theirs, but if they choose to share, that is up to them. I tell my kids that if they choose to share, and they find out others do better, then try to congratulate their friends on a job well done. I don't see it as a big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

The difficulty with this is some children have no access to enrichment. Their peers adjust expectations for each other (as do teachers) based on these 3x yearly scores. Expectations are often self proving. So, seems unfair to have a system that is effectively a public ranking of quite young children.

Also, I think you are talking about the one-off, where someone is so poor they don't have access to a computer at all. Most parents I know at our school have cell phones. Most parents I know have at least laptop at home that they can share with their kids if the kid likes to access resources. The library is also free for all to use. If the library is not available, there are online library of free books that kids can access to read. Kids can also borrow books from their school library.

Lady, you are so highly entitled that you have no idea that it isn't just an issue of having a cell phone that you can so easily enrich.

Mental health issues (parents or kids)
Disabilities (that can be seen or unknown - again kids or parents)
Financial hardships (not FARMS, but having issues)
Single parents
Immigrants with limited English
Families that don't understand the curriculum or how to teach it
Having more than 1-2 kids that you can not helicopter all day and night
Siblings with issues that need more time
Divorce or parent issues
Death in the family
Parents that work multiple jobs or their own business and aren't there for after school or evening
Some kids in upper elementary school are actually watching younger siblings after school
Some kids are on their own until dinner time and then their parent(s) has to do dinner, chores, and bedtime.


You thinking only poor people can not enrich and everyone else with a cell phone has no excuse? I absolutely LOATHE moms like you. And I truly believe inside you loathe yourself and that is why you come here on an anonymous board with your almighty attitude that everyone should be teaching their kids at home. Guess what? They are in school for 6-7 hours a day. Almost as much as a work day. And they are kids. Young kids! And they deserve to be kids. Not going on a race to nowhere with high test scores to please moms like you trying to live thru your kids mediocre MAP score achievements. Kudos to you for having Larla do her math facts and 30min of Khan a day. All it shows is how crappy public school education is. Nothing else. It does not mean your child is smarter than anyone else in the class. It just shows they work for another hour a day to memorize and be something you may be proud of. That their self worth is based on their MAP scores. Great job. We are all happy for you.

I think you are over-reacting a bit much, and misplacing your anger. MAP scores, PARCC (or whatever new tests it is replaced with), report cards are just one of many that kids will find out and share. Teach your kids that others can do better or worse, but at the end of the day, work on whatever is important to your family, and improve on that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

If teachers are posting kids' scores on the board and ranking them for everyone else to see, that's definitely an issue and I would talk to the teacher ASAP. If kids happen to know their scores, and some choose to share then that's very different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

If teachers are posting kids' scores on the board and ranking them for everyone else to see, that's definitely an issue and I would talk to the teacher ASAP. If kids happen to know their scores, and some choose to share then that's very different.

Did you miss the whole point of the comments earlier. The MAP score shows up on the screen. Kids that are finished sutvand wait. They all see it. You might as well put it up on the board. My kid knows at least half the class’s score. They are bored when they are done. This is what they do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

If teachers are posting kids' scores on the board and ranking them for everyone else to see, that's definitely an issue and I would talk to the teacher ASAP. If kids happen to know their scores, and some choose to share then that's very different.

Did you miss the whole point of the comments earlier. The MAP score shows up on the screen. Kids that are finished sutvand wait. They all see it. You might as well put it up on the board. My kid knows at least half the class’s score. They are bored when they are done. This is what they do.

If your kid is staring at other children's screens after the test, maybe you should teach them to not do that. My kids share scores with a few other friends, but outside of that, they could care less who got what. Neither are they phase by others who have higher scores, as it should be.

[Anonymous]

I posted earlier. For me it’s not about knowing other kids’ scores. I don’t want my kids to know their own scores. They do very well on these tests - usually high 99th %ile - and I just don’t see how it is useful in any way for them to have this information. This is not equivalent to something that they have intentionally studied for, like a classroom test, where they can see the direct outcome of their effort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I posted earlier. For me it’s not about knowing other kids’ scores. I don’t want my kids to know their own scores. They do very well on these tests - usually high 99th %ile - and I just don’t see how it is useful in any way for them to have this information. This is not equivalent to something that they have intentionally studied for, like a classroom test, where they can see the direct outcome of their effort.

Exactly

[Anonymous]

Kids scoring in the 99% already know they are smart. It's like hiding a lap time from a fast swimmer. If you try to make it a secret they will learn to be ashamed and think it's something to hide.