MAP scores for all to see

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I highly doubt the scores were posted.

If your kid saw a list of EVERY student’s score, and you’re not able to figure out how he found out those scores, I would bet $1000000 that he was snooping somewhere he was NOT supposed to be snooping.

Tell your kid that he’s not supposed to be going through his teacher’s stuff.

I like this blame the child victim nonsense. Certainly not the county, school, or teacher's fault an 8-10yr old saw all the scores. It must have been HIS fault!! LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers don't need to record these scores on some excel spread sheet. When students take these tests, the test itself is associated with the specific student, i.e. connected to their mcps ID. So for a teacher to have to call each child over once he is done to record scores on a spreadsheet sounds like some kind of backwards technology being employed. Does not sound correct to me.

This is how all of my children’s teachers have done it. The kids either bring their chromebooks over to the teacher or the teacher walks to their desk, but the teachers always want to record the scores. Maybe it’s because the MAP software crashes so frequently?

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These are "data walls" encouraged by the vendor:

https://community.nwea.org/docs/DOC-1865

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Anonymous wrote:At our school, the practice is, when a student is done with his test, he raises his hand and walks over to the teacher to report his score. Because kids might finish at the same time, the scores remain on screens for everyone to see until the teacher calls each kid to her desk. In the process of recording each score, a teacher may inadvertently divulge other students' scores if the teacher and the student are viewing the teacher's screen. I don't think PP's child was snooping or behaving inappropriately.

If the kid says he saw a list, he was absolutely snooping. There is no list of MAP scores publicly posted in an ES Classroom.

My kid is 8 and it would never occur to him to do this (snoop in that way about scores - he just doesn't think that way and frankly doesn't care). I'm not saying it was 'posted' per se, but he said the teacher told them they could 'look at the list' and find their score. No idea if it was in a binder or on her desk or what. Of course they then see others' scores.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I highly doubt the scores were posted.

If your kid saw a list of EVERY student’s score, and you’re not able to figure out how he found out those scores, I would bet $1000000 that he was snooping somewhere he was NOT supposed to be snooping.

Tell your kid that he’s not supposed to be going through his teacher’s stuff.

I like this blame the child victim nonsense. Certainly not the county, school, or teacher's fault an 8-10yr old saw all the scores. It must have been HIS fault!! LOL

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I mean if they didn't have the scores posted on the computer screen this would be a non issue.

Could you imagine if this happened at SAT and ACT locations. Parents and students would be flipping out about confidentiality issues. But 3-5th graders? Who cares

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

If teachers are posting kids' scores on the board and ranking them for everyone else to see, that's definitely an issue and I would talk to the teacher ASAP. If kids happen to know their scores, and some choose to share then that's very different.

Did you miss the whole point of the comments earlier. The MAP score shows up on the screen. Kids that are finished sutvand wait. They all see it. You might as well put it up on the board. My kid knows at least half the class’s score. They are bored when they are done. This is what they do.

If your kid is staring at other children's screens after the test, maybe you should teach them to not do that. My kids share scores with a few other friends, but outside of that, they could care less who got what. Neither are they phase by others who have higher scores, as it should be.

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My child took MAPs a couple of weeks ago, came home and said: "Guess what, we took MAPs, today, I got 230 and Larla (her best friend) got 232 and there's a kid in Ms Smith's class who was coming up to everyone who would listen telling them he got 280." That was the extent of her knowledge of other students' scores. Yeah, friends talk, but, apart from that, teach your child to look at this own screen if someone's higher scores are so traumatizing to him.

How about MCPS doesn't flash the score on the screen and just registers it and sends a sealed note home to the parents. Then no one will have to tell their 3rd graders to purposely not look at a screen or see a score by mistake and compare it to theirs. Or have kids coming up asking what everyone's scores are. Seems like a much easier solution.

Anything the school sends to us takes foverer to get. Look at the PARCC. I rather the immediate scores than not getting it for month on end.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s definitely wrong to post their scores. DS said he saw the scores of all of his classmates and was by far the lowest and felt really badly. I applaud those students with high scores, they should be proud and should be celebrated for their achievement, but for the rest of us, could we have more privacy? As adults, we don’t advertise our salaries, let’s give our children the same courtesy.

Agree. It is embarrassing that MCPS does this.

Except that MCPS does not do this.

Walk into any MCPS classroom and there is no list of MAP scores posted anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s definitely wrong to post their scores. DS said he saw the scores of all of his classmates and was by far the lowest and felt really badly. I applaud those students with high scores, they should be proud and should be celebrated for their achievement, but for the rest of us, could we have more privacy? As adults, we don’t advertise our salaries, let’s give our children the same courtesy.

Agree. It is embarrassing that MCPS does this.

Except that MCPS does not do this.

Walk into any MCPS classroom and there is no list of MAP scores posted anywhere.

They post the scores on the screen. My kid sits in a box with all the computers against the wall facing towards the middle of the room. Once you are done, you can see anyone else's score who pops up. If there is a glitch and the computers shut down, the teacher will ask out loud scores of the kids that did not register, but said a score popped up. I know this because I help volunteer and have seen it myself. It is to avoid retaking the test. She adds the score to her computer. Add to the fact that I am volunteering and can also see everyone else's score. It isn't right.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s definitely wrong to post their scores. DS said he saw the scores of all of his classmates and was by far the lowest and felt really badly. I applaud those students with high scores, they should be proud and should be celebrated for their achievement, but for the rest of us, could we have more privacy? As adults, we don’t advertise our salaries, let’s give our children the same courtesy.

Agree. It is embarrassing that MCPS does this.

Except that MCPS does not do this.

Walk into any MCPS classroom and there is no list of MAP scores posted anywhere.

They post the scores on the screen. My kid sits in a box with all the computers against the wall facing towards the middle of the room. Once you are done, you can see anyone else's score who pops up. If there is a glitch and the computers shut down, the teacher will ask out loud scores of the kids that did not register, but said a score popped up. I know this because I help volunteer and have seen it myself. It is to avoid retaking the test. She adds the score to her computer. Add to the fact that I am volunteering and can also see everyone else's score. It isn't right.

So did you say anything to the teacher, or did you just stick around to stare at other kids' scores?

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

If teachers are posting kids' scores on the board and ranking them for everyone else to see, that's definitely an issue and I would talk to the teacher ASAP. If kids happen to know their scores, and some choose to share then that's very different.

Did you miss the whole point of the comments earlier. The MAP score shows up on the screen. Kids that are finished sutvand wait. They all see it. You might as well put it up on the board. My kid knows at least half the class’s score. They are bored when they are done. This is what they do.

If your kid is staring at other children's screens after the test, maybe you should teach them to not do that. My kids share scores with a few other friends, but outside of that, they could care less who got what. Neither are they phase by others who have higher scores, as it should be.

This!
My child took MAPs a couple of weeks ago, came home and said: "Guess what, we took MAPs, today, I got 230 and Larla (her best friend) got 232 and there's a kid in Ms Smith's class who was coming up to everyone who would listen telling them he got 280." That was the extent of her knowledge of other students' scores. Yeah, friends talk, but, apart from that, teach your child to look at this own screen if someone's higher scores are so traumatizing to him.

How about MCPS doesn't flash the score on the screen and just registers it and sends a sealed note home to the parents. Then no one will have to tell their 3rd graders to purposely not look at a screen or see a score by mistake and compare it to theirs. Or have kids coming up asking what everyone's scores are. Seems like a much easier solution.

Anything the school sends to us takes foverer to get. Look at the PARCC. I rather the immediate scores than not getting it for month on end.

Who gives a CRAP about PARCC. It means nothing. It literally does not mean a thing. I don't even care what my kids get on it. I don't even think I have ever looked at them.

So you will be okay, when your kid is taking the ACT for college that everyone's scores pop up when they are done, in front of everyone else that has finished or is still taking it. You don't find that distracting for the students who are already under enough pressure? You don't find that it is a confidentiality issue? Or are you saying you are okay with those things as long as you get a quicker score from the mouth of your kid?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s definitely wrong to post their scores. DS said he saw the scores of all of his classmates and was by far the lowest and felt really badly. I applaud those students with high scores, they should be proud and should be celebrated for their achievement, but for the rest of us, could we have more privacy? As adults, we don’t advertise our salaries, let’s give our children the same courtesy.

Agree. It is embarrassing that MCPS does this.

Except that MCPS does not do this.

Walk into any MCPS classroom and there is no list of MAP scores posted anywhere.

They post the scores on the screen. My kid sits in a box with all the computers against the wall facing towards the middle of the room. Once you are done, you can see anyone else's score who pops up. If there is a glitch and the computers shut down, the teacher will ask out loud scores of the kids that did not register, but said a score popped up. I know this because I help volunteer and have seen it myself. It is to avoid retaking the test. She adds the score to her computer. Add to the fact that I am volunteering and can also see everyone else's score. It isn't right.

So did you say anything to the teacher, or did you just stick around to stare at other kids' scores?

Not the PP, but are you the same person blaming the young kid for seeing other scores? Now you are blaming a parent volunteer who didn't even say she stared at scores? LOL

Do you make sure your girls don't wear short skirts because if someone sexually harassed them, it would be their fault, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

If teachers are posting kids' scores on the board and ranking them for everyone else to see, that's definitely an issue and I would talk to the teacher ASAP. If kids happen to know their scores, and some choose to share then that's very different.

Did you miss the whole point of the comments earlier. The MAP score shows up on the screen. Kids that are finished sutvand wait. They all see it. You might as well put it up on the board. My kid knows at least half the class’s score. They are bored when they are done. This is what they do.

If your kid is staring at other children's screens after the test, maybe you should teach them to not do that. My kids share scores with a few other friends, but outside of that, they could care less who got what. Neither are they phase by others who have higher scores, as it should be.

This!
My child took MAPs a couple of weeks ago, came home and said: "Guess what, we took MAPs, today, I got 230 and Larla (her best friend) got 232 and there's a kid in Ms Smith's class who was coming up to everyone who would listen telling them he got 280." That was the extent of her knowledge of other students' scores. Yeah, friends talk, but, apart from that, teach your child to look at this own screen if someone's higher scores are so traumatizing to him.

How about MCPS doesn't flash the score on the screen and just registers it and sends a sealed note home to the parents. Then no one will have to tell their 3rd graders to purposely not look at a screen or see a score by mistake and compare it to theirs. Or have kids coming up asking what everyone's scores are. Seems like a much easier solution.

Anything the school sends to us takes foverer to get. Look at the PARCC. I rather the immediate scores than not getting it for month on end.

Who gives a CRAP about PARCC. It means nothing. It literally does not mean a thing. I don't even care what my kids get on it. I don't even think I have ever looked at them.

So you will be okay, when your kid is taking the ACT for college that everyone's scores pop up when they are done, in front of everyone else that has finished or is still taking it. You don't find that distracting for the students who are already under enough pressure? You don't find that it is a confidentiality issue? Or are you saying you are okay with those things as long as you get a quicker score from the mouth of your kid?

It is elementary school MAP scores. Relax. This is not like releasing your tax forms.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I highly doubt the scores were posted.

If your kid saw a list of EVERY student’s score, and you’re not able to figure out how he found out those scores, I would bet $1000000 that he was snooping somewhere he was NOT supposed to be snooping.

Tell your kid that he’s not supposed to be going through his teacher’s stuff.

I like this blame the child victim nonsense. Certainly not the county, school, or teacher's fault an 8-10yr old saw all the scores. It must have been HIS fault!! LOL

+1

I mean if they didn't have the scores posted on the computer screen this would be a non issue.

Could you imagine if this happened at SAT and ACT locations. Parents and students would be flipping out about confidentiality issues. But 3-5th graders? Who cares

Good point and so true. No need to flash the scores. It can say the test is over and send results.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s definitely wrong to post their scores. DS said he saw the scores of all of his classmates and was by far the lowest and felt really badly. I applaud those students with high scores, they should be proud and should be celebrated for their achievement, but for the rest of us, could we have more privacy? As adults, we don’t advertise our salaries, let’s give our children the same courtesy.

Agree. It is embarrassing that MCPS does this.

Except that MCPS does not do this.

Walk into any MCPS classroom and there is no list of MAP scores posted anywhere.

They post the scores on the screen. My kid sits in a box with all the computers against the wall facing towards the middle of the room. Once you are done, you can see anyone else's score who pops up. If there is a glitch and the computers shut down, the teacher will ask out loud scores of the kids that did not register, but said a score popped up. I know this because I help volunteer and have seen it myself. It is to avoid retaking the test. She adds the score to her computer. Add to the fact that I am volunteering and can also see everyone else's score. It isn't right.

So did you say anything to the teacher, or did you just stick around to stare at other kids' scores?

Not the PP, but are you the same person blaming the young kid for seeing other scores? Now you are blaming a parent volunteer who didn't even say she stared at scores? LOL

Do you make sure your girls don't wear short skirts because if someone sexually harassed them, it would be their fault, right?

If a parent is right there volunteering, and sees something that is questionable to her, like children's scores beind read aloud to volunteered parents, then perhaps the volunteer parent should say something to the teacher at that very instant. That is my point.

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

My daughter played travel softball. She pitched to targets outside by herself in a net for hours. We never paid for coaches or forced her to do that. She went to practice just like everyone else did.

What the coach DIDN'T do was rate the kids on a score level in front of everyone. Which is basically what MAP does. Sure, some kids might not care, but many do.

If teachers are posting kids' scores on the board and ranking them for everyone else to see, that's definitely an issue and I would talk to the teacher ASAP. If kids happen to know their scores, and some choose to share then that's very different.

Did you miss the whole point of the comments earlier. The MAP score shows up on the screen. Kids that are finished sutvand wait. They all see it. You might as well put it up on the board. My kid knows at least half the class’s score. They are bored when they are done. This is what they do.

If your kid is staring at other children's screens after the test, maybe you should teach them to not do that. My kids share scores with a few other friends, but outside of that, they could care less who got what. Neither are they phase by others who have higher scores, as it should be.

This!
My child took MAPs a couple of weeks ago, came home and said: "Guess what, we took MAPs, today, I got 230 and Larla (her best friend) got 232 and there's a kid in Ms Smith's class who was coming up to everyone who would listen telling them he got 280." That was the extent of her knowledge of other students' scores. Yeah, friends talk, but, apart from that, teach your child to look at this own screen if someone's higher scores are so traumatizing to him.

How about MCPS doesn't flash the score on the screen and just registers it and sends a sealed note home to the parents. Then no one will have to tell their 3rd graders to purposely not look at a screen or see a score by mistake and compare it to theirs. Or have kids coming up asking what everyone's scores are. Seems like a much easier solution.

Anything the school sends to us takes foverer to get. Look at the PARCC. I rather the immediate scores than not getting it for month on end.

Who gives a CRAP about PARCC. It means nothing. It literally does not mean a thing. I don't even care what my kids get on it. I don't even think I have ever looked at them.

So you will be okay, when your kid is taking the ACT for college that everyone's scores pop up when they are done, in front of everyone else that has finished or is still taking it. You don't find that distracting for the students who are already under enough pressure? You don't find that it is a confidentiality issue? Or are you saying you are okay with those things as long as you get a quicker score from the mouth of your kid?

It is elementary school MAP scores. Relax. This is not like releasing your tax forms.

Relax? Do you know what teachers are telling elementary school students about MAP? I'll go first:
-you must try to go up by X points on today's test
-your score was lower than I expected, try to do better on the next test.
-this test is really important for your placement in math in 4th grade
-this test is really important for your placement in math in 6th grade
-here is a report with all of your previous MAP scores. You want to see an upward trend. You'll want to improve on your MAP score each time you take it.