Anybody listening to NPR?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing sounds like a giant social experiment. One that will cost a lot, and not just in dollars We keep hearing how this will benefit low-income students, and close the opportunity gap. They've been trying things to close the opportunity gap for decades, and nothing has worked. While I do support programs to help close the opportunity gap, I believe our Title One schools and Focus schools, already have extra money, smaller class size and extra programs, what will it do for everyone else? Will it help them to rise, or bring them down? Show me the data please!

I’ve worked in k-12 philanthropy and now policy think tank.
Even gates foundation is far from cutting edge.

To date the only thing we have seen be effective at increasing academic performance, lowering truancy, reducing behavior issues, and minimizing possible effects of possible teacher/admin racial biases has been parochial school programs like KIPP, Seton, etc. Also study the ones in England inundated with refugees.

The students wear uniforms, teachers hold the same high bar for everyone, two teachers per class for Pk-2, differentiation and pullout groups for grades 2+, discipline for breaking serious class rules, some higher order or religious tenets instilled.

If I were a poor Hispanic or poor black I would seek this out. Or if I were an activist or social worker I would advise this and seek this out. The public school arena, particular a large county run one, will not be effective to its various segments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I’ve worked in k-12 philanthropy and now policy think tank.
Even gates foundation is far from cutting edge.

To date the only thing we have seen be effective at increasing academic performance, lowering truancy, reducing behavior issues, and minimizing possible effects of possible teacher/admin racial biases has been parochial school programs like KIPP, Seton, etc. Also study the ones in England inundated with refugees.

The students wear uniforms, teachers hold the same high bar for everyone, two teachers per class for Pk-2, differentiation and pullout groups for grades 2+, discipline for breaking serious class rules, some higher order or religious tenets instilled.

If I were a poor Hispanic or poor black I would seek this out. Or if I were an activist or social worker I would advise this and seek this out. The public school arena, particular a large county run one, will not be effective to its various segments.

Which one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

Except for the fact many of these neighborhoods aren't diverse because of policies like red-lining and other Jim Crowe shenanigans that are illegal today and failing to address these wrongs of the past only prolongs these issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

OK. Why is the neighborhood the way it is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The whole thing sounds like a giant social experiment. One that will cost a lot, and not just in dollars We keep hearing how this will benefit low-income students, and close the opportunity gap. They've been trying things to close the opportunity gap for decades, and nothing has worked. While I do support programs to help close the opportunity gap, I believe our Title One schools and Focus schools, already have extra money, smaller class size and extra programs, what will it do for everyone else? Will it help them to rise, or bring them down? Show me the data please!

I’ve worked in k-12 philanthropy and now policy think tank.
Even gates foundation is far from cutting edge.

To date the only thing we have seen be effective at increasing academic performance, lowering truancy, reducing behavior issues, and minimizing possible effects of possible teacher/admin racial biases has been parochial school programs like KIPP, Seton, etc. Also study the ones in England inundated with refugees.

The students wear uniforms, teachers hold the same high bar for everyone, two teachers per class for Pk-2, differentiation and pullout groups for grades 2+, discipline for breaking serious class rules, some higher order or religious tenets instilled.

If I were a poor Hispanic or poor black I would seek this out. Or if I were an activist or social worker I would advise this and seek this out. The public school arena, particular a large county run one, will not be effective to its various segments.

Yes.. like this:

https://abc7.com/education/all-boys-watts-high-school-has-100-percent-college-acceptance/777375/

According to administrators, all of the students at Verbum Dai have low income and are academically behind one to two years when they arrive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

Except for the fact many of these neighborhoods aren't diverse because of policies like red-lining and other Jim Crowe shenanigans that are illegal today and failing to address these wrongs of the past only prolongs these issues.

Even if these are true - it is still not a school issue. Don't deal with these using our school system.

It is as simple as that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

Except for the fact many of these neighborhoods aren't diverse because of policies like red-lining and other Jim Crowe shenanigans that are illegal today and failing to address these wrongs of the past only prolongs these issues.

This. Schools should attempt to diversify their student populations, given this history of discriminatory policies. Also, research has pointed out the many positive and practical benefits of diversity, so it's not simply diversity for the sake of diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

Except for the fact many of these neighborhoods aren't diverse because of policies like red-lining and other Jim Crowe shenanigans that are illegal today and failing to address these wrongs of the past only prolongs these issues.

This. Schools should attempt to diversify their student populations, given this history of discriminatory policies. Also, research has pointed out the many positive and practical benefits of diversity, so it's not simply diversity for the sake of diversity.

Do no agree. School takes students, and should not do anything to make the student population more or less diverse. Regular schools should treat all kids in the neighborhood the same. Special schools should be merit based.

If you really want diversity, work on changing the neighborhood, instead of the school that receives students from the neighborhood (of course, unless if the school has discriminating policies).

Diversity is something that should not be achieved by the receiving party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

Except for the fact many of these neighborhoods aren't diverse because of policies like red-lining and other Jim Crowe shenanigans that are illegal today and failing to address these wrongs of the past only prolongs these issues.

This. Schools should attempt to diversify their student populations, given this history of discriminatory policies. Also, research has pointed out the many positive and practical benefits of diversity, so it's not simply diversity for the sake of diversity.

Do no agree. School takes students, and should not do anything to make the student population more or less diverse. Regular schools should treat all kids in the neighborhood the same. Special schools should be merit based.

If you really want diversity, work on changing the neighborhood, instead of the school that receives students from the neighborhood (of course, unless if the school has discriminating policies).

Diversity is something that should not be achieved by the receiving party.

Just curious, why are you so against public schools taking measures to achieve diversity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

Except for the fact many of these neighborhoods aren't diverse because of policies like red-lining and other Jim Crowe shenanigans that are illegal today and failing to address these wrongs of the past only prolongs these issues.

This. Schools should attempt to diversify their student populations, given this history of discriminatory policies. Also, research has pointed out the many positive and practical benefits of diversity, so it's not simply diversity for the sake of diversity.

Do no agree. School takes students, and should not do anything to make the student population more or less diverse. Regular schools should treat all kids in the neighborhood the same. Special schools should be merit based.

If you really want diversity, work on changing the neighborhood, instead of the school that receives students from the neighborhood (of course, unless if the school has discriminating policies).

Diversity is something that should not be achieved by the receiving party.

The school service areas were not graven into stone tables handed down on Mount Sinai. People establish the school service areas based on [criteria] and can change them based on [criteria].

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

Except for the fact many of these neighborhoods aren't diverse because of policies like red-lining and other Jim Crowe shenanigans that are illegal today and failing to address these wrongs of the past only prolongs these issues.

Even if these are true - it is still not a school issue. Don't deal with these using our school system.

It is as simple as that.

Why isn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

Except for the fact many of these neighborhoods aren't diverse because of policies like red-lining and other Jim Crowe shenanigans that are illegal today and failing to address these wrongs of the past only prolongs these issues.

This. Schools should attempt to diversify their student populations, given this history of discriminatory policies. Also, research has pointed out the many positive and practical benefits of diversity, so it's not simply diversity for the sake of diversity.

Do no agree. School takes students, and should not do anything to make the student population more or less diverse. Regular schools should treat all kids in the neighborhood the same. Special schools should be merit based.

If you really want diversity, work on changing the neighborhood, instead of the school that receives students from the neighborhood (of course, unless if the school has discriminating policies).

Diversity is something that should not be achieved by the receiving party.

Just curious, why are you so against public schools taking measures to achieve diversity?

I have no problem with achieving diversity anywhere - not enthusiastic but do not have a problem with others wanting that.

I am against the wrong approach, not the goal. When I hear people proposing something which I think is wrong, but they justify it because the goal is good, I don't like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


Just curious, why are you so against public schools taking measures to achieve diversity?

I have no problem with achieving diversity anywhere - not enthusiastic but do not have a problem with others wanting that.

I am against the wrong approach, not the goal. When I hear people proposing something which I think is wrong, but they justify it because the goal is good, I don't like that.




Why is it the wrong approach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t she change schools? Are majority black schools overcrowded? They won’t take her?

Why shouls she change school? The y should bus mire black students into Whitman to support her and shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

They should shut off the racists in the school if it was true.

But why should they bus more black students to Whitman? Creating diversity just for the purpose of diversity?

My view on this is clear: a school reflects the neighborhood. If the neighborhood itself is not diverse, there is no reason to make the school diverse. That's not the way to do it.
If you want to encourage people of diverse background to move into the neighborhood, that is fine.

Except for the fact many of these neighborhoods aren't diverse because of policies like red-lining and other Jim Crowe shenanigans that are illegal today and failing to address these wrongs of the past only prolongs these issues.

Even if these are true - it is still not a school issue. Don't deal with these using our school system.

It is as simple as that.

Why isn't it?

Why is it?

If you think the neighborhood is not diverse enough, deal with that. Busing in students from outside the neighborhood does not solve that problem. The neighborhood remains the same.