Anybody listening to NPR?

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Milwaukee

[Anonymous]

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Has any state tried giving generous vouchers to low-income families?

I can see how that would help reduce racial and SES segregation.

Yes. It doesn't work. It doesn't help reduce segregation, and it doesn't help education. Kids do no better, or worse.

Wrong.

Mike Keri did and the AA students accepted did slightly better. V popular and now a lotto system
lA did too and their charter schools are coveted. V popular and now a lotto system
dC did as well for charter schools, v popular and now a lotto system.

In all cases the teachers unions take offense, gather national funds to lobby against and they bully local politicians w union votes and power.

I am not sure there is agreement on the effects of DC charter schools... Often it is the higher income families that have the ability to get their kids to distant schools and the neighborhood schools suffer.

[Anonymous]

I think we need to be careful not to conflate "school choice" with desegregation.

"School choice" has been demonstrated to negatively impact poor/working class kids and kids of color. This is because, as a PP noted, neighborhood schools suffer when all of the kids with financial or logistical advantages leave. In the vast majority of studies, school choice increases school segregation, so it is ineffective on many axes.

Desegregation works. Whether it is achieved through magnet programs, "busing," or boundary shifts - the data shows positive impacts on student outcomes as a result of desegregation.

The problem with desegregation was that it worked SO well that the court orders that had mandated desegregation efforts were allowed to lapse. The impact has been a re-segregation of the public school system.

[Anonymous]

Sighhhh The usual suspects who only can see live breathe think skin color are once again calling everyone else racist...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think we need to be careful not to conflate "school choice" with desegregation.

"School choice" has been demonstrated to negatively impact poor/working class kids and kids of color. This is because, as a PP noted, neighborhood schools suffer when all of the kids with financial or logistical advantages leave. In the vast majority of studies, school choice increases school segregation, so it is ineffective on many axes.

Desegregation works. Whether it is achieved through magnet programs, "busing," or boundary shifts - the data shows positive impacts on student outcomes as a result of desegregation.

The problem with desegregation was that it worked SO well that the court orders that had mandated desegregation efforts were allowed to lapse. The impact has been a re-segregation of the public school system.

Don’t you see the difference between an all black underfunded school needing to be desegregated and an open public system of 1000000 people based off the neighborhood concept that just happen to fall into different neighborhoods? There is no white district or black, just community schools with different levels of overlap but none poisonously out of wack with the community. All the schools are also centrally funded so no “rich” school is hogging resources

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think we need to be careful not to conflate "school choice" with desegregation.

"School choice" has been demonstrated to negatively impact poor/working class kids and kids of color. This is because, as a PP noted, neighborhood schools suffer when all of the kids with financial or logistical advantages leave. In the vast majority of studies, school choice increases school segregation, so it is ineffective on many axes.

Desegregation works. Whether it is achieved through magnet programs, "busing," or boundary shifts - the data shows positive impacts on student outcomes as a result of desegregation.

The problem with desegregation was that it worked SO well that the court orders that had mandated desegregation efforts were allowed to lapse. The impact has been a re-segregation of the public school system.

Chapter 220 bussing program in Milwaukee through the 1990s and 2000s did not improve scores, graduation rates, college matriculation for the poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we need to be careful not to conflate "school choice" with desegregation.

"School choice" has been demonstrated to negatively impact poor/working class kids and kids of color. This is because, as a PP noted, neighborhood schools suffer when all of the kids with financial or logistical advantages leave. In the vast majority of studies, school choice increases school segregation, so it is ineffective on many axes.

Desegregation works. Whether it is achieved through magnet programs, "busing," or boundary shifts - the data shows positive impacts on student outcomes as a result of desegregation.

The problem with desegregation was that it worked SO well that the court orders that had mandated desegregation efforts were allowed to lapse. The impact has been a re-segregation of the public school system.

Don’t you see the difference between an all black underfunded school needing to be desegregated and an open public system of 1000000 people based off the neighborhood concept that just happen to fall into different neighborhoods? There is no white district or black, just community schools with different levels of overlap but none poisonously out of wack with the community. All the schools are also centrally funded so no “rich” school is hogging resources

If you think that the land use in Montgomery County "just happened", then you should learn more about how the land use in Montgomery County came to be and what keeps it that way.

[Anonymous]

Some real historic social justice warriors excuse-makers here.
So giving land to certain people in 2019 is going to increase proficiency scores and make students work hard?

Too bad every country in the world has some sort of neighborhood school model based on renting/buying real estate, a lotto system or a merit systems. Most countries in Asia and EU have a test-based merit system for advancing to a-levels, colleges or certain career tracks. Only here in America is there a socially engineered approach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some real historic social justice warriors excuse-makers here.
So giving land to certain people in 2019 is going to increase proficiency scores and make students work hard?

Too bad every country in the world has some sort of neighborhood school model based on renting/buying real estate, a lotto system or a merit systems. Most countries in Asia and EU have a test-based merit system for advancing to a-levels, colleges or certain career tracks. Only here in America is there a socially engineered approach.

Who is talking about redistributing land?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we need to be careful not to conflate "school choice" with desegregation.

"School choice" has been demonstrated to negatively impact poor/working class kids and kids of color. This is because, as a PP noted, neighborhood schools suffer when all of the kids with financial or logistical advantages leave. In the vast majority of studies, school choice increases school segregation, so it is ineffective on many axes.

Desegregation works. Whether it is achieved through magnet programs, "busing," or boundary shifts - the data shows positive impacts on student outcomes as a result of desegregation.

The problem with desegregation was that it worked SO well that the court orders that had mandated desegregation efforts were allowed to lapse. The impact has been a re-segregation of the public school system.

Don’t you see the difference between an all black underfunded school needing to be desegregated and an open public system of 1000000 people based off the neighborhood concept that just happen to fall into different neighborhoods? There is no white district or black, just community schools with different levels of overlap but none poisonously out of wack with the community. All the schools are also centrally funded so no “rich” school is hogging resources

If you think that the land use in Montgomery County "just happened", then you should learn more about how the land use in Montgomery County came to be and what keeps it that way.

Everything not held by strong hands is taken, sorry. What many of the white neighborhoods you bitch about were basically built in the 70s, 80s and 90s like Potomac and Olney. There are houses for sale the now, go buy and make a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some real historic social justice warriors excuse-makers here.
So giving land to certain people in 2019 is going to increase proficiency scores and make students work hard?

Too bad every country in the world has some sort of neighborhood school model based on renting/buying real estate, a lotto system or a merit systems. Most countries in Asia and EU have a test-based merit system for advancing to a-levels, colleges or certain career tracks. Only here in America is there a socially engineered approach.

Who is talking about redistributing land?

Reparations baby. Our time has come!