Wootton or Churchill or RM

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Anonymous wrote:RM is very over crowded and City of Rockville is debating to put 3300 students school built for 2200 students.

RM shouldn't be compared with other two schools due to being so over crowded.

Not really. The discussion is whether it's ok to approve development plans that might, hypothetically, some day, result in 3,300 students in a school built for 2,200 students, if nothing else happens before then, even though something will.

There is nothing hypothetical about City proposal to raise the limit to 150% of school capacity. That's as real as it gets.

Correct. The proposal to raise the limit is real. However, the probability that actual enrollment would ever reach the limit is very low. And the statement that the City of Rockville is debating to put 3,300 students in a school built for 2,200 students is false.

How can you say that?

In addition to the Rockville Town Center development, there has been a huge upsurge in development near Twinbrook. Hundreds of townhouses, condos and apartments near the Metro. Over the past five years, there has been a huge push for development. Where do you expect those kids to go to school?

The TB development will affect Walter Johnson HS, not RM.

200+ students over entire project development period will attend RM. That's projection says which are vastly underestimating students living in Condos/apartments. In reality, we may add 400+ RM cluster students due to TB. They won't come all in the next 5 years, but over 25 years. This project has impact on RM cluster.

TB should be shifted to some other cluster and then continue building.

I didn't say the project doesn't have *any* impact on RM. I stated that most of the impact will be on WJHS.

Also, in 25 years Crown HS will be built.

Yes, in 25 years Crown should be built, but we are talking about problem right now. If RM is already at 120% then moratorium kicks in in and it kicks in for a very good reason. Giving waiver or exemptions to make over crowding worse is not a way to go. Proper response would to allow infrastructure to catch up.

I have no sympathy for developers here. It's not as if they were not aware of moratorium situation. They didn't come in blind here.

PP here.. let me state clearly, I'm against the 150% increase. I've sent an email indicating as such to the city council and mayor.

However, the two developments that precipitated this whole thing will not increase the enrollment by 150%. It will be far less. About 80% of the TB development will hit WJ HS, not RM.

You are the one who mentioned that we *may* have 400 kids in 25 years, probably not the next 5 years. That's why I mentioned Crown HS.

Like I stated, I'm against the 150% capacity threshold, but you need to get some facts straight. Right *now* that development won't hit RM at 150%.

Also, OP should keep in mind that BOE is looking to redraw school boundaries for the *entire* county, with an eye to level the diversity in each school. That will almost guarantee rezoning for Wootton and Churchill, and capacities in these schools will look very different in a few years time.

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In case OP is interested in the boundary change discussion:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/772448.page

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Anonymous wrote:RM is very over crowded and City of Rockville is debating to put 3300 students school built for 2200 students.

RM shouldn't be compared with other two schools due to being so over crowded.

Not really. The discussion is whether it's ok to approve development plans that might, hypothetically, some day, result in 3,300 students in a school built for 2,200 students, if nothing else happens before then, even though something will.

There is nothing hypothetical about City proposal to raise the limit to 150% of school capacity. That's as real as it gets.

Correct. The proposal to raise the limit is real. However, the probability that actual enrollment would ever reach the limit is very low. And the statement that the City of Rockville is debating to put 3,300 students in a school built for 2,200 students is false.

How can you say that?

In addition to the Rockville Town Center development, there has been a huge upsurge in development near Twinbrook. Hundreds of townhouses, condos and apartments near the Metro. Over the past five years, there has been a huge push for development. Where do you expect those kids to go to school?

The TB development will affect Walter Johnson HS, not RM.

200+ students over entire project development period will attend RM. That's projection says which are vastly underestimating students living in Condos/apartments. In reality, we may add 400+ RM cluster students due to TB. They won't come all in the next 5 years, but over 25 years. This project has impact on RM cluster.

TB should be shifted to some other cluster and then continue building.

I didn't say the project doesn't have *any* impact on RM. I stated that most of the impact will be on WJHS.

Also, in 25 years Crown HS will be built.

Yes, in 25 years Crown should be built, but we are talking about problem right now. If RM is already at 120% then moratorium kicks in in and it kicks in for a very good reason. Giving waiver or exemptions to make over crowding worse is not a way to go. Proper response would to allow infrastructure to catch up.

I have no sympathy for developers here. It's not as if they were not aware of moratorium situation. They didn't come in blind here.

PP here.. let me state clearly, I'm against the 150% increase. I've sent an email indicating as such to the city council and mayor.

However, the two developments that precipitated this whole thing will not increase the enrollment by 150%. It will be far less. About 80% of the TB development will hit WJ HS, not RM.

You are the one who mentioned that we *may* have 400 kids in 25 years, probably not the next 5 years. That's why I mentioned Crown HS.

Like I stated, I'm against the 150% capacity threshold, but you need to get some facts straight. Right *now* that development won't hit RM at 150%.

Also, OP should keep in mind that BOE is looking to redraw school boundaries for the *entire* county, with an eye to level the diversity in each school. That will almost guarantee rezoning for Wootton and Churchill, and capacities in these schools will look very different in a few years time.

I am not the PP. If any project is adding students when schools are 120% then projects shouldn't happen. That's what moratoriums are supposed to do.

That's a simple point. 150% is just a nonsense floated by a council member.

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I fail to see how Wootton could be higher pressure than Churchill. There is a huge thread and local media covering grade inflation in MCPS. Is Wootton not buying into the grade inflation or something? Is it really true that an A at Churchill equals a C in Wootton? Unlike private schools, I'm pretty sure that MCPS doesn't do class rankings so there isn't the competition to get into the top 10 spots. There are numerous sections of AP and honors classes at both schools so there couldn't be any competition to get into certain classes. The pressure cooker comments sound like myths.

I also fail to see how Churchill is considered so amazingly ultra wealthy when the majority of areas feeding it are older houses under 1M. How is someone in a 70s split level worth between 700K-800K house affording to buy their kid a BMW? Beverly Farms and Cold Spring are not filled with big mansions just lots of older mid level houses built in the 70s. In fact the houses surrounding Churchill are not mega mansions. Whitman has far more multi-million dollar in bounds but for some reason the myth of wealth at Churchill persists.

I think these stereotypes are out dated and don't really represent the changes in the overall school system and area over the past decade.

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Anonymous wrote:I fail to see how Wootton could be higher pressure than Churchill. There is a huge thread and local media covering grade inflation in MCPS. Is Wootton not buying into the grade inflation or something? Is it really true that an A at Churchill equals a C in Wootton? Unlike private schools, I'm pretty sure that MCPS doesn't do class rankings so there isn't the competition to get into the top 10 spots. There are numerous sections of AP and honors classes at both schools so there couldn't be any competition to get into certain classes. The pressure cooker comments sound like myths.

I also fail to see how Churchill is considered so amazingly ultra wealthy when the majority of areas feeding it are older houses under 1M. How is someone in a 70s split level worth between 700K-800K house affording to buy their kid a BMW? Beverly Farms and Cold Spring are not filled with big mansions just lots of older mid level houses built in the 70s. In fact the houses surrounding Churchill are not mega mansions. Whitman has far more multi-million dollar in bounds but for some reason the myth of wealth at Churchill persists.

I think these stereotypes are out dated and don't really represent the changes in the overall school system and area over the past decade.

There's probably more pressure because there are more Asian American students at Wootton than Churchill.

I'm Asian American.

Look at the homes for sale right now in the Churchill cluster. Most go for near or over $1mil. Not so much in the Wootton cluster. Also, Cold Spring is zoned for Wootton, not Churchill. They have split articulation after Cabin John MS.

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I think we can assume OP has either decided to move to Fairfax or send her kids to private!

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Anonymous wrote:I fail to see how Wootton could be higher pressure than Churchill. There is a huge thread and local media covering grade inflation in MCPS. Is Wootton not buying into the grade inflation or something? Is it really true that an A at Churchill equals a C in Wootton? Unlike private schools, I'm pretty sure that MCPS doesn't do class rankings so there isn't the competition to get into the top 10 spots. There are numerous sections of AP and honors classes at both schools so there couldn't be any competition to get into certain classes. The pressure cooker comments sound like myths.

I also fail to see how Churchill is considered so amazingly ultra wealthy when the majority of areas feeding it are older houses under 1M. How is someone in a 70s split level worth between 700K-800K house affording to buy their kid a BMW? Beverly Farms and Cold Spring are not filled with big mansions just lots of older mid level houses built in the 70s. In fact the houses surrounding Churchill are not mega mansions. Whitman has far more multi-million dollar in bounds but for some reason the myth of wealth at Churchill persists.

I think these stereotypes are out dated and don't really represent the changes in the overall school system and area over the past decade.

Look can be deceiving my friend. Look at the cages they call "homes" in DC. They go for over a million dollars and with bad schools.
Yes Churchill is wealthy, not a myth. Have you seen the mega mansions in Potomac?

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Anonymous wrote:I think we can assume OP has either decided to move to Fairfax or send her kids to private!

OP said they are moving to MoCo. I doubt they would cross the river.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we can assume OP has either decided to move to Fairfax or send her kids to private!

OP said they are moving to MoCo. I doubt they would cross the river.

Reading this debate might make me consider moving far far away..

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Anonymous wrote:The teachers and curriculum for the aforementioned high-schools are about the same. Although minor demographic differences that affect overall school averages, it makes no difference for an individual which MCPS school they attend.

Everyone who has ever given this matter any thought is aware of this. The OP is curious about the demographic and social differences because any MCPS school can provide a rigorous education and competitive cohort.

You don't think it matters whether there are 3 sections of AP English or 7 sections?

touche!

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Anonymous wrote:I fail to see how Wootton could be higher pressure than Churchill. There is a huge thread and local media covering grade inflation in MCPS. Is Wootton not buying into the grade inflation or something? Is it really true that an A at Churchill equals a C in Wootton? Unlike private schools, I'm pretty sure that MCPS doesn't do class rankings so there isn't the competition to get into the top 10 spots. There are numerous sections of AP and honors classes at both schools so there couldn't be any competition to get into certain classes. The pressure cooker comments sound like myths.

I also fail to see how Churchill is considered so amazingly ultra wealthy when the majority of areas feeding it are older houses under 1M. How is someone in a 70s split level worth between 700K-800K house affording to buy their kid a BMW? Beverly Farms and Cold Spring are not filled with big mansions just lots of older mid level houses built in the 70s. In fact the houses surrounding Churchill are not mega mansions. Whitman has far more multi-million dollar in bounds but for some reason the myth of wealth at Churchill persists.

I think these stereotypes are out dated and don't really represent the changes in the overall school system and area over the past decade.

Look can be deceiving my friend. Look at the cages they call "homes" in DC. They go for over a million dollars and with bad schools.
Yes Churchill is wealthy, not a myth. Have you seen the mega mansions in Potomac?

Super charming.

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Clearly Churchill looks superior in this debate. But for RM overcrowding, why don't they move some kids to nearby Rockville HS? Also OP Wootton looks great on paper but I'd avoid it at all costs. Just not a happy place.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we can assume OP has either decided to move to Fairfax or send her kids to private!

OP said they are moving to MoCo. I doubt they would cross the river.

Reading this debate might make me consider moving far far away..

Honestly, I don't think FFX is that different to MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly Churchill looks superior in this debate. But for RM overcrowding, why don't they move some kids to nearby Rockville HS? Also OP Wootton looks great on paper but I'd avoid it at all costs. Just not a happy place.

Is it clear? Hm...
RM and Wootton will be rezoned in a few years. I'm betting Churchill might too.

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Anonymous wrote:Clearly Churchill looks superior in this debate. But for RM overcrowding, why don't they move some kids to nearby Rockville HS? Also OP Wootton looks great on paper but I'd avoid it at all costs. Just not a happy place.

My children all went to Wootton and it was a very "happy place" over a time period of several years. What is your direct and personal experience with the school? You are obviously misinformed.