UVA out tomorrow

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Anonymous wrote:There's so much UVA hate on this board. Super weird. This was just a thread announcing that UVA results are out tomorrow and it immediately turns into pointless bashing.

UVa has become out of reach for many hard-working instate students and that makes me sad. Instead, they take money from internationals and out-of-staters. They have done little change that. I’m an alum.

Maybe they should increase the class size.

The grounds can’t handle it. They need to increase in-state admission. They also need to expand offerings online. That is what a board member did, even going as far as to get Teresa Sullivan the boot. She was reinstated after the snobs got her back in. Let’s make UVa, a supposed public university for the students of Virginia, elite again.

That is a strange re-telling of what happened with Teresa Sullivan. When the BOV tries to plan and make back room deals with outside interests WITHOUT the president of the school, s$&t will hit the fan. UVA takes less state money every year because Richmond keeps cutting funding. UVA is 70% instate students with a huge endowment. I will not be surprised if they go private sooner than later as they become more financially independent from the state.

Then they need to pony up the cash.

Nope, the state will never let The Lawn or Rotunda go. It's state property.

UVA receives only 6% of its budget from the Commonwealth of Virginia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia

I’m well aware of that; it doesn’t change the fact that the property is owned by the state. UVa will never be able to buy out all of the property from the state.

Lol, but the point is, Virginia (and residents) can bitch and moan all they want about increasing in-state residents. UVA likely will not do so.

No, because it wants its flagship to compete with UCLA And Berkeley. Here UVA is ranked no 1 in public flagships. Above Michigan, UCLA and Berkeley. Why wouldn't UVA's flagship want to compete on that level since it can? http://www.businessinsider.com/best-public-colleges-in-the-united-states-2016-8#2-university-of-michigan-at-ann-arbor-13. There are over 40 other fine public institutions in Virginia from which to choose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Virginia

US News is what I go by.

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Anonymous wrote:There's so much UVA hate on this board. Super weird. This was just a thread announcing that UVA results are out tomorrow and it immediately turns into pointless bashing.

UVa has become out of reach for many hard-working instate students and that makes me sad. Instead, they take money from internationals and out-of-staters. They have done little change that. I’m an alum.

UVA is still 2/3s in-state students. That hasn’t changed. And it’s actually still harder for OOS and international students to get in than it is for in-state. It has become harder for in-state students because there are more of them applying every year. The same is true for literally every school across the country.

That is not what we are arguing here. We are pointing out that UVA has not kept up with avid ginia’s population growth. If it wants to claim that it is a public university, then it damn well better start acting like one or go private. Instead, it’s using its status as a top public institution to draw in elite money and elite students. It is also using a publicly on property to do the same.

NP. I'm genuinely curiously by what you mean by this. Do you have statistics, information, anything to back this, or is it based off perception?

Also, have you been to Charlottesville/on the UVA Grounds? It's a pretty crammed in area as it is. There's literally nowhere to expand without maintaining the integrity of the school.

Agree. I have a third year there. His first year dorm was hideous - right out of the GI Bill fugly. There is no more room. Also, why shouldn't UVA act like UCLA and Berkeley and bring in diversity, OOS, low-income and international students, as it is doing. There are 40 other public universities in the state to meet all needs.

Easy to make those pious statements from your perspective.

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It would be interesting to see what the admission statistics are for nonlegacy and otherwise unhooked students are from nova. Pretty tough, I’d guess. This is one of the hottest schools in the country.

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If UVA grew to be the size of a mega state university, it wouldn't be the same school. The size is part of the attraction.

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Anonymous wrote:If UVA grew to be the size of a mega state university, it wouldn't be the same school. The size is part of the attraction.

This is true. I hear many people on this board saying UVA is a great school option because it's "the quality of education at Michigan or UCB, but half the size." Suddenly that's an issue?

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Exactly. That's why the Commonwealth provide only 6% of UVA's budget but is pumping in $42 million a year into GMU and the other 40 public universities in VA. If parents could just get beyond the "my kid has to go to UVA or W&M" mode of thinking, they would realize there are an amazing amount of college and university choices in VA with instate rates. I know six families at at Christopher Newport and have been thrilled with the quality of education their children have received. Same with the other colleges and universities

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A coworker's kid was accepted at CNU and JMU. Coworker says they were really impressed with CNU. I've never been there, but it sounded nice from what I heard.

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Anonymous wrote:There's so much UVA hate on this board. Super weird. This was just a thread announcing that UVA results are out tomorrow and it immediately turns into pointless bashing.

UVa has become out of reach for many hard-working instate students and that makes me sad. Instead, they take money from internationals and out-of-staters. They have done little change that. I’m an alum.

UVA is still 2/3s in-state students. That hasn’t changed. And it’s actually still harder for OOS and international students to get in than it is for in-state. It has become harder for in-state students because there are more of them applying every year. The same is true for literally every school across the country.

That is not what we are arguing here. We are pointing out that UVA has not kept up with avid ginia’s population growth. If it wants to claim that it is a public university, then it damn well better start acting like one or go private. Instead, it’s using its status as a top public institution to draw in elite money and elite students. It is also using a publicly on property to do the same.

NP. I'm genuinely curiously by what you mean by this. Do you have statistics, information, anything to back this, or is it based off perception?

Also, have you been to Charlottesville/on the UVA Grounds? It's a pretty crammed in area as it is. There's literally nowhere to expand without maintaining the integrity of the school.

Agree. I have a third year there. His first year dorm was hideous - right out of the GI Bill fugly. There is no more room. Also, why shouldn't UVA act like UCLA and Berkeley and bring in diversity, OOS, low-income and international students, as it is doing. There are 40 other public universities in the state to meet all needs.

Lol, I'm assuming your third year was in Old Dorms, which my first year is in now! FWIW, they're currently in the process of renovating all the Old Dorms. They're going to be really nice with that same beautiful exterior and the great location.

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He was in Humphreys. GI Bill. No room to even turn around. Shared mini-closet with no door or curtain. There wasn't even room for his computer set-up. And, of course, no A.C. His friends, however, were in hotel-like suites in the new dorms. Lambeth, too, wasn't all that great but at least a bit better than Humphreys.

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Exactly. That's why the Commonwealth provide only 6% of UVA's budget but is pumping in $42 million a year into GMU and the other 40 public universities in VA. If parents could just get beyond the "my kid has to go to UVA or W&M" mode of thinking, they would realize there are an amazing amount of college and university choices in VA with instate rates. I know six families at at Christopher Newport and have been thrilled with the quality of education their children have received. Same with the other colleges and universities

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A coworker's kid was accepted at CNU and JMU. Coworker says they were really impressed with CNU. I've never been there, but it sounded nice from what I heard.

It's a gorgeous campus and well worth a drive to tour. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Newport_University.

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Anonymous wrote:There's so much UVA hate on this board. Super weird. This was just a thread announcing that UVA results are out tomorrow and it immediately turns into pointless bashing.

UVa has become out of reach for many hard-working instate students and that makes me sad. Instead, they take money from internationals and out-of-staters. They have done little change that. I’m an alum.

UVA is still 2/3s in-state students. That hasn’t changed. And it’s actually still harder for OOS and international students to get in than it is for in-state. It has become harder for in-state students because there are more of them applying every year. The same is true for literally every school across the country.

That is not what we are arguing here. We are pointing out that UVA has not kept up with avid ginia’s population growth. If it wants to claim that it is a public university, then it damn well better start acting like one or go private. Instead, it’s using its status as a top public institution to draw in elite money and elite students. It is also using a publicly on property to do the same.

NP. I'm genuinely curiously by what you mean by this. Do you have statistics, information, anything to back this, or is it based off perception?

Also, have you been to Charlottesville/on the UVA Grounds? It's a pretty crammed in area as it is. There's literally nowhere to expand without maintaining the integrity of the school.

Yes. In fact, I am an alum and I visited recently. I also lived in the hideous old dorms and survived to tell the tale and I can tell you they have not changed one bit since I attended years ago. I am acutely aware of the size limitations of UVa, but I do think they should allow more in-state students and be more inclusive if they are going to claim being a public university for Virginians.

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Anonymous wrote:If UVA grew to be the size of a mega state university, it wouldn't be the same school. The size is part of the attraction.

This is true. I hear many people on this board saying UVA is a great school option because it's "the quality of education at Michigan or UCB, but half the size." Suddenly that's an issue?

It can be, depending on the student. I certainly didn't want to go to a school as large as UCLA back when I applied so I went to a SLAC. You get much more teacher attention and better faculty contact with fewer students which turns into better letters of recommendations and help in gettting summer internships. Here are the student numbers, both undergrad and grad:

Berkeley 30,574 undergrad 11,336 grad
Michigan 28,983 16,000
UCLA 30,873 12,600
UVA 15,891 6,500 grad

As a further note of comparison, the undergrad classes at Harvard, Yale and Princeton are about 6K 6K and 5K. My SLAC was only about 2K total, so it was easy to stand out and probably helped me get into a top law school. I doubt that would have happened if I had attended UCLA or Berkeley.

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UVA alum here: fond memories of my time there, but I don't want my rising Senior (high stats) kid to attend UVA. It's too big, and hard to get the personal attention I want her to get. You are just a number at UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:If UVA grew to be the size of a mega state university, it wouldn't be the same school. The size is part of the attraction.

+1. And even with 15,891 students, I've found that the students find their own group through the 300 clubs on campus. My DD has never set foot in a sorority and has no interest in Greek life but found her niche of friends through a religious club, the newspaper and band. Others find it in sports. The number of a capella singing groups alone in mind-boggling. There is something for everyone there.

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Anonymous wrote:There's so much UVA hate on this board. Super weird. This was just a thread announcing that UVA results are out tomorrow and it immediately turns into pointless bashing.

UVa has become out of reach for many hard-working instate students and that makes me sad. Instead, they take money from internationals and out-of-staters. They have done little change that. I’m an alum.

UVA is still 2/3s in-state students. That hasn’t changed. And it’s actually still harder for OOS and international students to get in than it is for in-state. It has become harder for in-state students because there are more of them applying every year. The same is true for literally every school across the country.

That is not what we are arguing here. We are pointing out that UVA has not kept up with avid ginia’s population growth. If it wants to claim that it is a public university, then it damn well better start acting like one or go private. Instead, it’s using its status as a top public institution to draw in elite money and elite students. It is also using a publicly on property to do the same.

NP. I'm genuinely curiously by what you mean by this. Do you have statistics, information, anything to back this, or is it based off perception?

Also, have you been to Charlottesville/on the UVA Grounds? It's a pretty crammed in area as it is. There's literally nowhere to expand without maintaining the integrity of the school.

Yes. In fact, I am an alum and I visited recently. I also lived in the hideous old dorms and survived to tell the tale and I can tell you they have not changed one bit since I attended years ago. I am acutely aware of the size limitations of UVa, but I do think they [b]should allow more in-state students and be more inclusive if they are going to claim being a public university for Virginians.

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It's still 70% instate. The rest are OOS and internationals. Also UVA is trying hard to finance the way for low-income students and first generation college students. At 70% that places UVA far ahead of Berkeley for in-state students which is basically a 2:1 model - 9,715 instate to 4,490 OOS for entering class 2017, but pressure is being put on the U.C. schools to limit OOS to 18%.

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Anonymous wrote:If UVA grew to be the size of a mega state university, it wouldn't be the same school. The size is part of the attraction.

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Anonymous wrote:There's so much UVA hate on this board. Super weird. This was just a thread announcing that UVA results are out tomorrow and it immediately turns into pointless bashing.

UVa has become out of reach for many hard-working instate students and that makes me sad. Instead, they take money from internationals and out-of-staters. They have done little change that. I’m an alum.

Maybe they should increase the class size.

The grounds can’t handle it. They need to increase in-state admission. They also need to expand offerings online. That is what a board member did, even going as far as to get Teresa Sullivan the boot. She was reinstated after the snobs got her back in. Let’s make UVa, a supposed public university for the students of Virginia, elite again.

That is a strange re-telling of what happened with Teresa Sullivan. When the BOV tries to plan and make back room deals with outside interests WITHOUT the president of the school, s$&t will hit the fan. UVA takes less state money every year because Richmond keeps cutting funding. UVA is 70% instate students with a huge endowment. I will not be surprised if they go private sooner than later as they become more financially independent from the state.

Then they need to pony up the cash.

Nope, the state will never let The Lawn or Rotunda go. It's state property.

UVA receives only 6% of its budget from the Commonwealth of Virginia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Virginia

I’m well aware of that; it doesn’t change the fact that the property is owned by the state. UVa will never be able to buy out all of the property from the state.

Lol, but the point is, Virginia (and residents) can bitch and moan all they want about increasing in-state residents. UVA likely will not do so.

No, because it wants its flagship to compete with UCLA And Berkeley. Here UVA is ranked no 1 in public flagships. Above Michigan, UCLA and Berkeley. Why wouldn't UVA's flagship want to compete on that level since it can? http://www.businessinsider.com/best-public-colleges-in-the-united-states-2016-8#2-university-of-michigan-at-ann-arbor-13. There are over 40 other fine public institutions in Virginia from which to choose. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_Virginia

US News is what I go by.

OK, here you go. UVA no. 2 ranked by US News & World report, just behind Berkeley and No. 1 and ahead of UCLA and Michicgan. https://news.virginia.edu/content/among-nations-elite-us-news-gives-uva-no-2-public-university-ranking