Schools splitting from large ineffective school systems - could the 4 Ws split from MCPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OMG! Enough already with the posts from disgruntled parents of CES students! You have no idea how good you have it! Even if your child only gets 2 years of a magnet, your child has more than most! Try being the parent of a SN kid in MCPS. SN kids are only entitled to access the curriculum. I have no right to ask for anything more than for him to meet artificially low benchmarks. They do not have the right to the “best education”. And “average kids” get the same one size fits all approach even when they might benefit from a different approach or more challenge in a specific subject. There’s a thing called a budget. We are all tax payers and your child doesn’t deserve more than my child or a minority child.

For those whining about racism, this is not about racism. Maybe economic disaparity but not race. Children in those communities have every right to the same challenging education as your child. Many will not have a peer group at their home school. Many will not have parents with resources to challenge them if its not being done at school. Check your privilege! Your kids do have a peer group at Hoover and Cabin John. If you don’t like it, move to Silver Spring.

Splitting the school system implies people are tired of the consequence of the ineffective efforts of reducing achievement gap by MCPS. Because of the political rightness, people dare not say it. the policies MCPS has implemented in recent years such as 2.0, grading system, etc have negatively influenced the normal performer students. Each individual kid only has one chance to be at ES and MS in their life. Why they should be selected as guinea pigs? If the large school system is splitter into two, so different school policies can be applied to different schools whatever they fit. And it will give MCPS more room to consider more extreme policies.

[Anonymous]

I’m trying to wrap my mind around being this self-centered and entitled but it’s hard to grapple with

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: so the magnet program is basically moot and just lip service for anyone on the west side of the county?

No, there are a number of children from "W" schools who were accepted to the magnet programs this year.

so what the f is the problem?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is going on now in Malibu and Salt Lake City. Areas with higher performing students are working to split off from large ineffective, bureaucratic systems. The Malibu - Santa Monica split is being complicated by the amount of money Santa Monica wants from Malibu but it looks like this will eventually happen. CA actually makes it harder for systems to do this so it might be easier here in MD.

There is a tipping point in frustration when a school system only takes from one area to benefit another even if the need in the other area is greater. If students in the W clusters are no eligible for county-wide magnet programs, building renovations are constantly delayed, parents can't fund raise for things like teacher aides or facility improvements then perhaps its time to split.

This is an awesome idea. You should definitely pursue this.

Respectfully,
- DCC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
What would you change them to? I would require a certain percentage of low-income rent-controlled units to recent and future apartments/townhomes in the new public schools's catchment area. But I would keep the cluster boundaries, otherwise it gets too complicated and people would be upset that the price they paid for their houses ended up not benefiting them as they planned, and therefore would not be in favor of a Bethesda school system.

Don't we already have this? MoCo has had the MPDU program for years now: http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DHCA/housing/singlefamily/mpdu/index.html

12-15% of new developments must have MPDUs. Even that super-pricey condo building with a $5 million penthouse apartment near Bethesda Metro (the Lauren I think) has MPDUs on the ground floor. Avenel has them too -- an entire neigborhood of MPDU homes.

The government can't (nor should they) regulate prices of other homes though. The home prices are high in Bethesda because people like the area for many reasons, including the schools. I'm not sure what can really be done (or should be done) about that.

Prices are high because demand far exceeds supply. What can be done about this? Allow supply to be increased.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: so the magnet program is basically moot and just lip service for anyone on the west side of the county?

No, there are a number of children from "W" schools who were accepted to the magnet programs this year.

so what the f is the problem?

It wasn't the children of the parents who are complaining.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to wrap my mind around being this self-centered and entitled but it’s hard to grapple with

I agree. The sad thing is they don't even realize it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to wrap my mind around being this self-centered and entitled but it’s hard to grapple with

I agree. The sad thing is they don't even realize it.

It's not self-centered to want the best for your child sorry. It's called being a decent parent. People in lower SES levels should be more vocal about it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to wrap my mind around being this self-centered and entitled but it’s hard to grapple with

So, it’s self centered and entitled to assume that your money at least goes towards adequately educating your children? Some people don’t have any money left over for extra tutors, classes or therapies to educate their children outside of the public school. The county shouldn’t be taking people’s money - raising taxes frequently and having some of the highest taxes in the nation - and then squandering it and redistributing it in such a way that leaves middle class people needing to pay for private school or hire expensive tutors. That’s rudicous.
Of course people expect a good education for their children with the rates of taxes paid. Yes they are entitled to that - they worked to pay their taxes and an good education is expected. If the county wants to provide a crappy education they can reduce taxes so that people can choose their own private school for their kids if need be.

If you send your kid to a private school and pay the tuition you expect a good education for your child. The public school system is only different in that many people whose children don’t go to the schools and those who have no children are paying towards the schools. There’s plenty of money provided it’s just being mismanaged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: so the magnet program is basically moot and just lip service for anyone on the west side of the county?

No, there are a number of children from "W" schools who were accepted to the magnet programs this year.

so what the f is the problem?

Some parents broke the first rule of "W Club". They brought up how dissatisfied they were with the W schools when their child didn't get into the magnet.

Well, shit...now they gotta find a different way to make sure they are differentiated from us "regular" folks in the rest of the county.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to wrap my mind around being this self-centered and entitled but it’s hard to grapple with

So, it’s self centered and entitled to assume that your money at least goes towards adequately educating your children? Some people don’t have any money left over for extra tutors, classes or therapies to educate their children outside of the public school. The county shouldn’t be taking people’s money - raising taxes frequently and having some of the highest taxes in the nation - and then squandering it and redistributing it in such a way that leaves middle class people needing to pay for private school or hire expensive tutors. That’s rudicous.
Of course people expect a good education for their children with the rates of taxes paid. Yes they are entitled to that - they worked to pay their taxes and an good education is expected. If the county wants to provide a crappy education they can reduce taxes so that people can choose their own private school for their kids if need be.

If you send your kid to a private school and pay the tuition you expect a good education for your child. The public school system is only different in that many people whose children don’t go to the schools and those who have no children are paying towards the schools. There’s plenty of money provided it’s just being mismanaged.

My children are getting a more-than-adequate education. Maybe you should move to the part of the county I live in. It's evident, at least from the gripes on DCUM, that people who move to Bethesda or Potomac "for the schools" aren't getting what they think they paid for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to wrap my mind around being this self-centered and entitled but it’s hard to grapple with

I agree. The sad thing is they don't even realize it.

It’s not wrong to want to educate your own children.

If people have enough money to want to educate poor children from other countries that need a highly specialized education that’s a great idea but starts a nonprofit - you don’t take money from taxpayers to do that. It’s you that is entitled - you feel entitled to people’s tax money to further things that you believe in . You assume that everyone has an unlimited supply of money like you - enough to educate their own children adequately and also numerous kids from other countries immigrating here . People are telling you that that is not the case but you continue to push on. They don’t have guilt like you do because their family doesn’t have extra money after paying their taxes and yet their kids aren’t getting the education they need. Not everyone in this county is rich - get a clue.

Start a nonprofit and stop assuming that everyone is as rich as you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to wrap my mind around being this self-centered and entitled but it’s hard to grapple with

So, it’s self centered and entitled to assume that your money at least goes towards adequately educating your children? Some people don’t have any money left over for extra tutors, classes or therapies to educate their children outside of the public school. The county shouldn’t be taking people’s money - raising taxes frequently and having some of the highest taxes in the nation - and then squandering it and redistributing it in such a way that leaves middle class people needing to pay for private school or hire expensive tutors. That’s rudicous.
Of course people expect a good education for their children with the rates of taxes paid. Yes they are entitled to that - they worked to pay their taxes and an good education is expected. If the county wants to provide a crappy education they can reduce taxes so that people can choose their own private school for their kids if need be.

If you send your kid to a private school and pay the tuition you expect a good education for your child. The public school system is only different in that many people whose children don’t go to the schools and those who have no children are paying towards the schools. There’s plenty of money provided it’s just being mismanaged.

My children are getting a more-than-adequate education. Maybe you should move to the part of the county I live in. It's evident, at least from the gripes on DCUM, that people who move to Bethesda or Potomac "for the schools" aren't getting what they think they paid for.

They are getting a good education- a VERY good education. The problem is unrealistic expectations that are not being met.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m trying to wrap my mind around being this self-centered and entitled but it’s hard to grapple with

I agree. The sad thing is they don't even realize it.

It's not self-centered to want the best for your child sorry. It's called being a decent parent. People in lower SES levels should be more vocal about it

It's called SES segregation. How you equate that with being a decent parent is...

[Anonymous]

I think it’s more that they’re declining which is cause for concern...