Grassley/Graham memo

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Exactly. But Libs don't give a sh*t. Nothing new there.

Steele had already worked with the FBI and had a good reputation. That means that the FBI did not assume that he would make up facts depending upon who is paying him.

It is still the FBI's job to corroborate claims and the evaluate the credibility and reliability of the original sources even if those claims are passed through a prior trusted source. Steele's job was to literally dig up dirt on the Trump campaign in return for Clinton campaign money so it was a completely different set of circumstances from his prior work on the FIFA corruption case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Exactly. But Libs don't give a sh*t. Nothing new there.

Steele had already worked with the FBI and had a good reputation. That means that the FBI did not assume that he would make up facts depending upon who is paying him.

It is still the FBI's job to corroborate claims and the evaluate the credibility and reliability of the original sources even if those claims are passed through a prior trusted source. Steele's job was to literally dig up dirt on the Trump campaign in return for Clinton campaign money so it was a completely different set of circumstances from his prior work on the FIFA corruption case.

They did. You don't like that they did it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Someone started another thread on this, relating to the Grassley note.

Grassley just seems to rehash the same stale points from the Nunes memo without any additional substance. It also doesn't answer any of the glaring questions that blew up the Nunes memo.

For example, the claim once again is that the FBI obtained the FISA warrant on nothing but the Steele dossier.

Yet even as we speak, there's a big flap over Trump refusing to release the Dem memo because it contains classified information.

The Steele dossier is out on the street for anyone to read. Makes no sense that it would be classified.

If there's classified material then it's obviously something OTHER than the Steele dossier. There's ANOTHER SOURCE of information, which is still classified, which the Nunes memo did not acknowledge. That blows apart the theory that the FISA warrant was all about the Steele dossier.

The Grassley memo says it formed the bulk of the application. Carter Page isn't a saint. But it is troubling that an uncorroborated campaign-funded document made up of hearsay from various foreign sources whose reliability and motives are unknown formed "the bulk" of an application to spy on a US citizen.

Exactly. But Libs don't give a sh*t. Nothing new there.

Steele had already worked with the FBI and had a good reputation. That means that the FBI did not assume that he would make up facts depending upon who is paying him.

So, they took the information on “face value” and didn’t check the veracity of the information they received? That is a problem.

It's not a problem when you're using that information for an INVESTIGATION. If the FBI had already confirmed all that info then they'd be arresting people for crimes. The dossier isn't a charging document - it's evidence that needs to be INVESTIGATED. See the difference?

Do you even hear what you are saying? You are essentially saying that ANY information can be presented to a FISA court to secure a warrant to wiretap and surveil American citizens.
Your argument is totally wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone started another thread on this, relating to the Grassley note.

Grassley just seems to rehash the same stale points from the Nunes memo without any additional substance. It also doesn't answer any of the glaring questions that blew up the Nunes memo.

For example, the claim once again is that the FBI obtained the FISA warrant on nothing but the Steele dossier.

Yet even as we speak, there's a big flap over Trump refusing to release the Dem memo because it contains classified information.

The Steele dossier is out on the street for anyone to read. Makes no sense that it would be classified.

If there's classified material then it's obviously something OTHER than the Steele dossier. There's ANOTHER SOURCE of information, which is still classified, which the Nunes memo did not acknowledge. That blows apart the theory that the FISA warrant was all about the Steele dossier.

The Grassley memo says it formed the bulk of the application. Carter Page isn't a saint. But it is troubling that an uncorroborated campaign-funded document made up of hearsay from various foreign sources whose reliability and motives are unknown formed "the bulk" of an application to spy on a US citizen.

Exactly. But Libs don't give a sh*t. Nothing new there.

Steele had already worked with the FBI and had a good reputation. That means that the FBI did not assume that he would make up facts depending upon who is paying him.

So, they took the information on “face value” and didn’t check the veracity of the information they received? That is a problem.

It's not a problem when you're using that information for an INVESTIGATION. If the FBI had already confirmed all that info then they'd be arresting people for crimes. The dossier isn't a charging document - it's evidence that needs to be INVESTIGATED. See the difference?

Do you even hear what you are saying? You are essentially saying that ANY information can be presented to a FISA court to secure a warrant to wiretap and surveil American citizens.
Your argument is totally wrong.

It wasn't the only information presented to the court - FISA warrant applications are hundreds of pages long.
Parts of the dossier had been confirmed.
Page's FISA warrant was renewed THREE TIMES and each time it was renewed the FISA court was presented with new evidence that the surveillance was justified.

If you really are an American who wants the best for our country, why do have such a big problem with a known Russian agent getting surveilled?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone started another thread on this, relating to the Grassley note.

Grassley just seems to rehash the same stale points from the Nunes memo without any additional substance. It also doesn't answer any of the glaring questions that blew up the Nunes memo.

For example, the claim once again is that the FBI obtained the FISA warrant on nothing but the Steele dossier.

Yet even as we speak, there's a big flap over Trump refusing to release the Dem memo because it contains classified information.

The Steele dossier is out on the street for anyone to read. Makes no sense that it would be classified.

If there's classified material then it's obviously something OTHER than the Steele dossier. There's ANOTHER SOURCE of information, which is still classified, which the Nunes memo did not acknowledge. That blows apart the theory that the FISA warrant was all about the Steele dossier.

The Grassley memo says it formed the bulk of the application. Carter Page isn't a saint. But it is troubling that an uncorroborated campaign-funded document made up of hearsay from various foreign sources whose reliability and motives are unknown formed "the bulk" of an application to spy on a US citizen.

Exactly. But Libs don't give a sh*t. Nothing new there.

Steele had already worked with the FBI and had a good reputation. That means that the FBI did not assume that he would make up facts depending upon who is paying him.

So, they took the information on “face value” and didn’t check the veracity of the information they received? That is a problem.

It's not a problem when you're using that information for an INVESTIGATION. If the FBI had already confirmed all that info then they'd be arresting people for crimes. The dossier isn't a charging document - it's evidence that needs to be INVESTIGATED. See the difference?

Do you even hear what you are saying? You are essentially saying that ANY information can be presented to a FISA court to secure a warrant to wiretap and surveil American citizens.
Your argument is totally wrong.

It wasn't the only information presented to the court - FISA warrant applications are hundreds of pages long.
Parts of the dossier had been confirmed.
Page's FISA warrant was renewed THREE TIMES and each time it was renewed the FISA court was presented with new evidence that the surveillance was justified.

If you really are an American who wants the best for our country, why do have such a big problem with a known Russian agent getting surveilled?

Who might that be?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone started another thread on this, relating to the Grassley note.

Grassley just seems to rehash the same stale points from the Nunes memo without any additional substance. It also doesn't answer any of the glaring questions that blew up the Nunes memo.

For example, the claim once again is that the FBI obtained the FISA warrant on nothing but the Steele dossier.

Yet even as we speak, there's a big flap over Trump refusing to release the Dem memo because it contains classified information.

The Steele dossier is out on the street for anyone to read. Makes no sense that it would be classified.

If there's classified material then it's obviously something OTHER than the Steele dossier. There's ANOTHER SOURCE of information, which is still classified, which the Nunes memo did not acknowledge. That blows apart the theory that the FISA warrant was all about the Steele dossier.

The Grassley memo says it formed the bulk of the application. Carter Page isn't a saint. But it is troubling that an uncorroborated campaign-funded document made up of hearsay from various foreign sources whose reliability and motives are unknown formed "the bulk" of an application to spy on a US citizen.

Exactly. But Libs don't give a sh*t. Nothing new there.

Steele had already worked with the FBI and had a good reputation. That means that the FBI did not assume that he would make up facts depending upon who is paying him.

So, they took the information on “face value” and didn’t check the veracity of the information they received? That is a problem.

It's not a problem when you're using that information for an INVESTIGATION. If the FBI had already confirmed all that info then they'd be arresting people for crimes. The dossier isn't a charging document - it's evidence that needs to be INVESTIGATED. See the difference?

Do you even hear what you are saying? You are essentially saying that ANY information can be presented to a FISA court to secure a warrant to wiretap and surveil American citizens.
Your argument is totally wrong.

It wasn't the only information presented to the court - FISA warrant applications are hundreds of pages long.
Parts of the dossier had been confirmed.
Page's FISA warrant was renewed THREE TIMES and each time it was renewed the FISA court was presented with new evidence that the surveillance was justified.

If you really are an American who wants the best for our country, why do have such a big problem with a known Russian agent getting surveilled?

And, as the Grassley memo outlines, the dossier was the bulk of the application.
And, I still question whether the FISA court routinely accepts unverified information in any case.
Only one way to know for sure.... let the American people see the application and supporting documents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone started another thread on this, relating to the Grassley note.

Grassley just seems to rehash the same stale points from the Nunes memo without any additional substance. It also doesn't answer any of the glaring questions that blew up the Nunes memo.

For example, the claim once again is that the FBI obtained the FISA warrant on nothing but the Steele dossier.

Yet even as we speak, there's a big flap over Trump refusing to release the Dem memo because it contains classified information.

The Steele dossier is out on the street for anyone to read. Makes no sense that it would be classified.

If there's classified material then it's obviously something OTHER than the Steele dossier. There's ANOTHER SOURCE of information, which is still classified, which the Nunes memo did not acknowledge. That blows apart the theory that the FISA warrant was all about the Steele dossier.

The Grassley memo says it formed the bulk of the application. Carter Page isn't a saint. But it is troubling that an uncorroborated campaign-funded document made up of hearsay from various foreign sources whose reliability and motives are unknown formed "the bulk" of an application to spy on a US citizen.

Exactly. But Libs don't give a sh*t. Nothing new there.

Steele had already worked with the FBI and had a good reputation. That means that the FBI did not assume that he would make up facts depending upon who is paying him.

So, they took the information on “face value” and didn’t check the veracity of the information they received? That is a problem.

It's not a problem when you're using that information for an INVESTIGATION. If the FBI had already confirmed all that info then they'd be arresting people for crimes. The dossier isn't a charging document - it's evidence that needs to be INVESTIGATED. See the difference?

Do you even hear what you are saying? You are essentially saying that ANY information can be presented to a FISA court to secure a warrant to wiretap and surveil American citizens.
Your argument is totally wrong.

It wasn't the only information presented to the court - FISA warrant applications are hundreds of pages long.
Parts of the dossier had been confirmed.
Page's FISA warrant was renewed THREE TIMES and each time it was renewed the FISA court was presented with new evidence that the surveillance was justified.

If you really are an American who wants the best for our country, why do have such a big problem with a known Russian agent getting surveilled?

And, as the Grassley memo outlines, the dossier was the bulk of the application.
And, I still question whether the FISA court routinely accepts unverified information in any case.
Only one way to know for sure.... let the American people see the application and supporting documents.

As the recent reauthorization of FISA shows, no one in Congress actually has any concerns or reservations about FISA warrants or applications. This memo is nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone started another thread on this, relating to the Grassley note.

Grassley just seems to rehash the same stale points from the Nunes memo without any additional substance. It also doesn't answer any of the glaring questions that blew up the Nunes memo.

For example, the claim once again is that the FBI obtained the FISA warrant on nothing but the Steele dossier.

Yet even as we speak, there's a big flap over Trump refusing to release the Dem memo because it contains classified information.

The Steele dossier is out on the street for anyone to read. Makes no sense that it would be classified.

If there's classified material then it's obviously something OTHER than the Steele dossier. There's ANOTHER SOURCE of information, which is still classified, which the Nunes memo did not acknowledge. That blows apart the theory that the FISA warrant was all about the Steele dossier.

The Grassley memo says it formed the bulk of the application. Carter Page isn't a saint. But it is troubling that an uncorroborated campaign-funded document made up of hearsay from various foreign sources whose reliability and motives are unknown formed "the bulk" of an application to spy on a US citizen.

Exactly. But Libs don't give a sh*t. Nothing new there.

Steele had already worked with the FBI and had a good reputation. That means that the FBI did not assume that he would make up facts depending upon who is paying him.

So, they took the information on “face value” and didn’t check the veracity of the information they received? That is a problem.

It's not a problem when you're using that information for an INVESTIGATION. If the FBI had already confirmed all that info then they'd be arresting people for crimes. The dossier isn't a charging document - it's evidence that needs to be INVESTIGATED. See the difference?

Do you even hear what you are saying? You are essentially saying that ANY information can be presented to a FISA court to secure a warrant to wiretap and surveil American citizens.
Your argument is totally wrong.

It wasn't the only information presented to the court - FISA warrant applications are hundreds of pages long.
Parts of the dossier had been confirmed.
Page's FISA warrant was renewed THREE TIMES and each time it was renewed the FISA court was presented with new evidence that the surveillance was justified.

If you really are an American who wants the best for our country, why do have such a big problem with a known Russian agent getting surveilled?

And, as the Grassley memo outlines, the dossier was the bulk of the application.
And, I still question whether the FISA court routinely accepts unverified information in any case.
Only one way to know for sure.... let the American people see the application and supporting documents.

As the recent reauthorization of FISA shows, no one in Congress actually has any concerns or reservations about FISA warrants or applications. This memo is nonsense.

Perhaps after these revelations, there will be greater concern.
I’m looking forward to the IG report.