Shooting in Reston

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents hated the boy and didn't want their daughter anywhere near him. How did he get inside that house to begin with?

Based on the info provided, it looks like the parents didn't know who the boy, and used spying to try and figure it out (which is not reliable). It may have helped to have a personal relationship with the boy their daughter is dating, vs. making assumptions and acting on them. And were you never a teenager? Kids sneak in and out their windows all the time to do what they want!

dude, he murdered them. WTF are these posts - “don’t make assumptions”, and “maybe they should’ve gotten to know him”...?!?!
Turns out he was a violent psychopath! Geez, people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe the posts here downplaying the boy's deranged beliefs or suggesting that the Post reported it "without collaboration." (Do you mean confirmation, PP??)

And btw they do have confirmation, from friends of the murdered parents, that makes a strong case that the parents had legitimate concerns that this boy was indoctrinating their daughter into horrifying beliefs. Read the story, you morons.

We did read the story. The "evidence" the mother pointed to were from posts made under an assumed name, which she assumed were the boyfriend. She was concerned because the daughter and boy spent hours on the phone (the mother thought he was trying to indoctrinate her, but there is zero proof of that). Let's just not make assumptions until the facts are known.

what difference does it make whether or not this boy was a neo nazi or the original author of the posts in question that upset the parents? He snuck out of his house, broke into her house, in the middle of the night, brought a gun, and MURDERED both of her parents. Regardless of whether he was a nazi sympathizer or Richard Spencer wanna be, he brought that gun and he killed two people with it. So that alone makes him a pretty horrible person, one that no parent would want their daughter dating.

Posters like the one above, the one saying "let's not make assumptions" are the kind of people saying the same thing after Heather Hayes was killed in Charlottesville. How do you look at yourself in the mirror and believe the bologna that comes out of your mouth? He killed those people. Killed them.

Not the PP. Yes, he did. And the guy who killed Hayes in Charlottesville had a history of medicated mental illness and had beat up his mother. Whether or not EITHER guy espoused Nazi beliefs is only relevant, when you look at the mother's motivation for getting rid of him. She decided to use her social justice card and raise a HUGE stink, notifying the school, calling his parents, etc. She poked a hornet's nest that got her killed, along with her husband.

I have a close friend that has always been somewhat narcissistic, but now has elevated that to a level where I can see it clouding her judgment. As a result, I keep my distance but NEVER poke that hornet's nest. It's VERY important when dealing with malignant personalities to ensure that THEY walk from YOU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The girl looks super sullen and grouchy in all her pics on mom’s Facebook page. Which I know is how teenagers are, but most of us choose pics of our kids that “show” better.

I am sure this will be countered with Well at least the mom was being honest and not glossing over daughter’s personality. But then you get strangers saying What a sullen and grouchy girl.

And why oh why don’t people keep their family pictures private to start with?!

Studies have shown that children don't react well to blended families. They tend to rebel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe the posts here downplaying the boy's deranged beliefs or suggesting that the Post reported it "without collaboration." (Do you mean confirmation, PP??)

And btw they do have confirmation, from friends of the murdered parents, that makes a strong case that the parents had legitimate concerns that this boy was indoctrinating their daughter into horrifying beliefs. Read the story, you morons.

We did read the story. The "evidence" the mother pointed to were from posts made under an assumed name, which she assumed were the boyfriend. She was concerned because the daughter and boy spent hours on the phone (the mother thought he was trying to indoctrinate her, but there is zero proof of that). Let's just not make assumptions until the facts are known.

what difference does it make whether or not this boy was a neo nazi or the original author of the posts in question that upset the parents? He snuck out of his house, broke into her house, in the middle of the night, brought a gun, and MURDERED both of her parents. Regardless of whether he was a nazi sympathizer or Richard Spencer wanna be, he brought that gun and he killed two people with it. So that alone makes him a pretty horrible person, one that no parent would want their daughter dating.

Posters like the one above, the one saying "let's not make assumptions" are the kind of people saying the same thing after Heather Hayes was killed in Charlottesville. How do you look at yourself in the mirror and believe the bologna that comes out of your mouth? He killed those people. Killed them.

Not the PP. Yes, he did. And the guy who killed Hayes in Charlottesville had a history of medicated mental illness and had beat up his mother. Whether or not EITHER guy espoused Nazi beliefs is only relevant, when you look at the mother's motivation for getting rid of him. She decided to use her social justice card and raise a HUGE stink, notifying the school, calling his parents, etc. She poked a hornet's nest that got her killed, along with her husband.

I have a close friend that has always been somewhat narcissistic, but now has elevated that to a level where I can see it clouding her judgment. As a result, I keep my distance but NEVER poke that hornet's nest. It's VERY important when dealing with malignant personalities to ensure that THEY walk from YOU.

On the one hand, you’ve got a point, op. Perhaps if she had handled it differently they’d be alive today. On the other hand, sounds too much like you’re blaming the victim. So the mom should have known she was dealing with a murderer? Really?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The girl looks super sullen and grouchy in all her pics on mom’s Facebook page. Which I know is how teenagers are, but most of us choose pics of our kids that “show” better.

I am sure this will be countered with Well at least the mom was being honest and not glossing over daughter’s personality. But then you get strangers saying What a sullen and grouchy girl.

And why oh why don’t people keep their family pictures private to start with?!

Studies have shown that children don't react well to blended families. They tend to rebel.

You all are speaking as if it was the GIRL that shot her parents. I would completely vilify her if that was the case but let's not forget it was the 17-year-old male from the same community who shot and murdered two adults who were just trying to keep him out of their house and out of their lives. Ruminate on that.

[Anonymous]

Wow, eight pages and no one screaming about more gun control? How did a 17 year old get a gun and why didn't WaPo use this angle like they did after the number of shootings the past several years? Disgraceful reporting and the new theme of "Nazi's" and "white supremacists" to further the cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, eight pages and no one screaming about more gun control? How did a 17 year old get a gun and why didn't WaPo use this angle like they did after the number of shootings the past several years? Disgraceful reporting and the new theme of "Nazi's" and "white supremacists" to further the cause.

My money says he stole it from his parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The girl looks super sullen and grouchy in all her pics on mom’s Facebook page. Which I know is how teenagers are, but most of us choose pics of our kids that “show” better.

I am sure this will be countered with Well at least the mom was being honest and not glossing over daughter’s personality. But then you get strangers saying What a sullen and grouchy girl.

And why oh why don’t people keep their family pictures private to start with?!

Studies have shown that children don't react well to blended families. They tend to rebel.

You all are speaking as if it was the GIRL that shot her parents. I would completely vilify her if that was the case but let's not forget it was the 17-year-old male from the same community who shot and murdered two adults who were just trying to keep him out of their house and out of their lives. Ruminate on that.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that reaction can be as simple as not being able to choose well. He is clearly responsible and clearly the problem here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe the posts here downplaying the boy's deranged beliefs or suggesting that the Post reported it "without collaboration." (Do you mean confirmation, PP??)

And btw they do have confirmation, from friends of the murdered parents, that makes a strong case that the parents had legitimate concerns that this boy was indoctrinating their daughter into horrifying beliefs. Read the story, you morons.

We did read the story. The "evidence" the mother pointed to were from posts made under an assumed name, which she assumed were the boyfriend. She was concerned because the daughter and boy spent hours on the phone (the mother thought he was trying to indoctrinate her, but there is zero proof of that). Let's just not make assumptions until the facts are known.

what difference does it make whether or not this boy was a neo nazi or the original author of the posts in question that upset the parents? He snuck out of his house, broke into her house, in the middle of the night, brought a gun, and MURDERED both of her parents. Regardless of whether he was a nazi sympathizer or Richard Spencer wanna be, he brought that gun and he killed two people with it. So that alone makes him a pretty horrible person, one that no parent would want their daughter dating.

Posters like the one above, the one saying "let's not make assumptions" are the kind of people saying the same thing after Heather Hayes was killed in Charlottesville. How do you look at yourself in the mirror and believe the bologna that comes out of your mouth? He killed those people. Killed them.

Not the PP. Yes, he did. And the guy who killed Hayes in Charlottesville had a history of medicated mental illness and had beat up his mother. Whether or not EITHER guy espoused Nazi beliefs is only relevant, when you look at the mother's motivation for getting rid of him. She decided to use her social justice card and raise a HUGE stink, notifying the school, calling his parents, etc. She poked a hornet's nest that got her killed, along with her husband.

I have a close friend that has always been somewhat narcissistic, but now has elevated that to a level where I can see it clouding her judgment. As a result, I keep my distance but NEVER poke that hornet's nest. It's VERY important when dealing with malignant personalities to ensure that THEY walk from YOU.

On the one hand, you’ve got a point, op. Perhaps if she had handled it differently they’d be alive today. On the other hand, sounds too much like you’re blaming the victim. So the mom should have known she was dealing with a murderer? Really?

Not blaming the victim to suggest that when you are dealing with someone who might be unhinged in some way, it's probably best to tread more lightly. Always assume that if someone appears unhinged, he/she probably is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe the posts here downplaying the boy's deranged beliefs or suggesting that the Post reported it "without collaboration." (Do you mean confirmation, PP??)

And btw they do have confirmation, from friends of the murdered parents, that makes a strong case that the parents had legitimate concerns that this boy was indoctrinating their daughter into horrifying beliefs. Read the story, you morons.

We did read the story. The "evidence" the mother pointed to were from posts made under an assumed name, which she assumed were the boyfriend. She was concerned because the daughter and boy spent hours on the phone (the mother thought he was trying to indoctrinate her, but there is zero proof of that). Let's just not make assumptions until the facts are known.

what difference does it make whether or not this boy was a neo nazi or the original author of the posts in question that upset the parents? He snuck out of his house, broke into her house, in the middle of the night, brought a gun, and MURDERED both of her parents. Regardless of whether he was a nazi sympathizer or Richard Spencer wanna be, he brought that gun and he killed two people with it. So that alone makes him a pretty horrible person, one that no parent would want their daughter dating.

Posters like the one above, the one saying "let's not make assumptions" are the kind of people saying the same thing after Heather Hayes was killed in Charlottesville. How do you look at yourself in the mirror and believe the bologna that comes out of your mouth? He killed those people. Killed them.

Not the PP. Yes, he did. And the guy who killed Hayes in Charlottesville had a history of medicated mental illness and had beat up his mother. Whether or not EITHER guy espoused Nazi beliefs is only relevant, when you look at the mother's motivation for getting rid of him. She decided to use her social justice card and raise a HUGE stink, notifying the school, calling his parents, etc. She poked a hornet's nest that got her killed, along with her husband.

I have a close friend that has always been somewhat narcissistic, but now has elevated that to a level where I can see it clouding her judgment. As a result, I keep my distance but NEVER poke that hornet's nest. It's VERY important when dealing with malignant personalities to ensure that THEY walk from YOU.

On the one hand, you’ve got a point, op. Perhaps if she had handled it differently they’d be alive today. On the other hand, sounds too much like you’re blaming the victim. So the mom should have known she was dealing with a murderer? Really?

And we MUST stop turning common sense behavior into "you're blaming the victim" mentality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe the posts here downplaying the boy's deranged beliefs or suggesting that the Post reported it "without collaboration." (Do you mean confirmation, PP??)

And btw they do have confirmation, from friends of the murdered parents, that makes a strong case that the parents had legitimate concerns that this boy was indoctrinating their daughter into horrifying beliefs. Read the story, you morons.

We did read the story. The "evidence" the mother pointed to were from posts made under an assumed name, which she assumed were the boyfriend. She was concerned because the daughter and boy spent hours on the phone (the mother thought he was trying to indoctrinate her, but there is zero proof of that). Let's just not make assumptions until the facts are known.

what difference does it make whether or not this boy was a neo nazi or the original author of the posts in question that upset the parents? He snuck out of his house, broke into her house, in the middle of the night, brought a gun, and MURDERED both of her parents. Regardless of whether he was a nazi sympathizer or Richard Spencer wanna be, he brought that gun and he killed two people with it. So that alone makes him a pretty horrible person, one that no parent would want their daughter dating.

Posters like the one above, the one saying "let's not make assumptions" are the kind of people saying the same thing after Heather Hayes was killed in Charlottesville. How do you look at yourself in the mirror and believe the bologna that comes out of your mouth? He killed those people. Killed them.

Not the PP. Yes, he did. And the guy who killed Hayes in Charlottesville had a history of medicated mental illness and had beat up his mother. Whether or not EITHER guy espoused Nazi beliefs is only relevant, when you look at the mother's motivation for getting rid of him. She decided to use her social justice card and raise a HUGE stink, notifying the school, calling his parents, etc. She poked a hornet's nest that got her killed, along with her husband.

I have a close friend that has always been somewhat narcissistic, but now has elevated that to a level where I can see it clouding her judgment. As a result, I keep my distance but NEVER poke that hornet's nest. It's VERY important when dealing with malignant personalities to ensure that THEY walk from YOU.

On the one hand, you’ve got a point, op. Perhaps if she had handled it differently they’d be alive today. On the other hand, sounds too much like you’re blaming the victim. So the mom should have known she was dealing with a murderer? Really?

How should a parent have handled it differently? As a parent, what do you do when your child starts expressing beliefs that your family doesn't share, especially when those beliefs can be dangerous?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe the posts here downplaying the boy's deranged beliefs or suggesting that the Post reported it "without collaboration." (Do you mean confirmation, PP??)

And btw they do have confirmation, from friends of the murdered parents, that makes a strong case that the parents had legitimate concerns that this boy was indoctrinating their daughter into horrifying beliefs. Read the story, you morons.

We did read the story. The "evidence" the mother pointed to were from posts made under an assumed name, which she assumed were the boyfriend. She was concerned because the daughter and boy spent hours on the phone (the mother thought he was trying to indoctrinate her, but there is zero proof of that). Let's just not make assumptions until the facts are known.

what difference does it make whether or not this boy was a neo nazi or the original author of the posts in question that upset the parents? He snuck out of his house, broke into her house, in the middle of the night, brought a gun, and MURDERED both of her parents. Regardless of whether he was a nazi sympathizer or Richard Spencer wanna be, he brought that gun and he killed two people with it. So that alone makes him a pretty horrible person, one that no parent would want their daughter dating.

Posters like the one above, the one saying "let's not make assumptions" are the kind of people saying the same thing after Heather Hayes was killed in Charlottesville. How do you look at yourself in the mirror and believe the bologna that comes out of your mouth? He killed those people. Killed them.

Not the PP. Yes, he did. And the guy who killed Hayes in Charlottesville had a history of medicated mental illness and had beat up his mother. Whether or not EITHER guy espoused Nazi beliefs is only relevant, when you look at the mother's motivation for getting rid of him. She decided to use her social justice card and raise a HUGE stink, notifying the school, calling his parents, etc. She poked a hornet's nest that got her killed, along with her husband.

I have a close friend that has always been somewhat narcissistic, but now has elevated that to a level where I can see it clouding her judgment. As a result, I keep my distance but NEVER poke that hornet's nest. It's VERY important when dealing with malignant personalities to ensure that THEY walk from YOU.

On the one hand, you’ve got a point, op. Perhaps if she had handled it differently they’d be alive today. On the other hand, sounds too much like you’re blaming the victim. So the mom should have known she was dealing with a murderer? Really?

How should a parent have handled it differently? As a parent, what do you do when your child starts expressing beliefs that your family doesn't share, especially when those beliefs can be dangerous?

I would not call the school. I would not directly confront the guy or the family. I would talk to my child and try to educate her, and ask her how much of what he's saying doesn't make sense. I would ask her if she has any fears regarding this guy.

Chances are, when she broke up with him, the same sort of scenario would have occurred. These folks are not mentally well, so getting away cleanly is not always possible.

[Anonymous]

^^ I am not that PP

[Anonymous]

If she hadn't told the school her daughter would still attend the school and he would be there. It is a near impossible situation. You pull her out of school and put bars on the windows and lock her inside? If he was already sneaking in i might secure the house more, but this all came to light recently. They may have thought it was just a typical teenage romance until then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe the posts here downplaying the boy's deranged beliefs or suggesting that the Post reported it "without collaboration." (Do you mean confirmation, PP??)

And btw they do have confirmation, from friends of the murdered parents, that makes a strong case that the parents had legitimate concerns that this boy was indoctrinating their daughter into horrifying beliefs. Read the story, you morons.

We did read the story. The "evidence" the mother pointed to were from posts made under an assumed name, which she assumed were the boyfriend. She was concerned because the daughter and boy spent hours on the phone (the mother thought he was trying to indoctrinate her, but there is zero proof of that). Let's just not make assumptions until the facts are known.

what difference does it make whether or not this boy was a neo nazi or the original author of the posts in question that upset the parents? He snuck out of his house, broke into her house, in the middle of the night, brought a gun, and MURDERED both of her parents. Regardless of whether he was a nazi sympathizer or Richard Spencer wanna be, he brought that gun and he killed two people with it. So that alone makes him a pretty horrible person, one that no parent would want their daughter dating.

Posters like the one above, the one saying "let's not make assumptions" are the kind of people saying the same thing after Heather Hayes was killed in Charlottesville. How do you look at yourself in the mirror and believe the bologna that comes out of your mouth? He killed those people. Killed them.

Not the PP. Yes, he did. And the guy who killed Hayes in Charlottesville had a history of medicated mental illness and had beat up his mother. Whether or not EITHER guy espoused Nazi beliefs is only relevant, when you look at the mother's motivation for getting rid of him. She decided to use her social justice card and raise a HUGE stink, notifying the school, calling his parents, etc. She poked a hornet's nest that got her killed, along with her husband.

I have a close friend that has always been somewhat narcissistic, but now has elevated that to a level where I can see it clouding her judgment. As a result, I keep my distance but NEVER poke that hornet's nest. It's VERY important when dealing with malignant personalities to ensure that THEY walk from YOU.

On the one hand, you’ve got a point, op. Perhaps if she had handled it differently they’d be alive today. On the other hand, sounds too much like you’re blaming the victim. So the mom should have known she was dealing with a murderer? Really?

How should a parent have handled it differently? As a parent, what do you do when your child starts expressing beliefs that your family doesn't share, especially when those beliefs can be dangerous?

I would not call the school. I would not directly confront the guy or the family. I would talk to my child and try to educate her, and ask her how much of what he's saying doesn't make sense. I would ask her if she has any fears regarding this guy.

Chances are, when she broke up with him, the same sort of scenario would have occurred. These folks are not mentally well, so getting away cleanly is not always possible.

So you'd just let his sympathies fester until he became one of those 'mentally-ill' young men who shoot up schools, movie theaters, concerts, malls, airports, factories, and churches. It's okay because it wasn't your nuclear family then? Newsflash genius, that same kid would have shot up your daughter's school as well because 'he couldn't live without her' or 'she humiliated him'. He could have gone to their church and caught them after service. He could have followed her to the Star Wars premier and shot her while the theater was dark.

All of those scenarios have happened in just the last five years. You can't close your eyes. There's a damned problem. Confront it but don't think you can bury your head in the sand and it'll go away.