Do Men Have Honor?

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Anonymous wrote:In Mother Nature, there is no free lunch. Males (not just the human kind) are expected to be powerful, confident, successful, desirable, change-makers with lots of children from young, fertile women, to ensure their DNA survives. And they have evolved to do just that.

Actually when you look at patterns of mating before the modern era the vast majority of men did not reproduce. Women have always been the choosers and chosen the best, most attractive and strong partners.

You are right, but perhaps not in the way you think you are.

Before the "modern era," you had a small number of powerful men who did most of the reproducing while the majority of men were expendable, and one notch above the beasts of the fields. This is why men evolved to seek power, and in some cases rape. Women are never at top, but the limit on how many children a woman can bear has always made them less expendable, and so women always have more status than poor men, but less than powerful men. In life, men are either winners or losers. For women, there's a big gray area, so there is less of an incentive to be ruthlessly ambitious and competitive. Historically, men have been forced to play a crueler game than women in order to have children and successfully provide for them.

I’ve read that early human bands likely were polyamorous with women mating with many men, not just the alpha elite.

As a wildlife biologist, former primatologist, with a dual BS in biology and anthropology, claims like this make me cringe.

Leave the science to the scientists, please.

hmm, so all men had equal access to women in pre BC years?

It's called the club.

Bam! Drag woman by hair to your cave and mate.

I'm listening to the wildlife biologist over you. You need to come up with some proper citations to back up your theory. Men are physically much stronger than women and have always been. That's why stories like the rape of the Sabine women abound in ancient history and literature. The idea that there were huge marauding clans of men willingly going away when women said piss off is laughable. Honey, if you'd tried that to the primitive and ancient men you probably wouldn't last more than a few hours.

The "rape" of the Sabine women, wasn't rape in the modern sense. It was more of a seduction.

Yes, men are bigger and stronger, but this likely evolved due to sexual selection and competition with other men, as opposed to "it makes it easier to rape." Over time, women have basically "bred" men to be tall and have big shoulders.

+10000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The concept of personal honor isn’t taught to children in the West anymore. It’s derided as an outdated and non-Western cultural artifact.

Very true. And very sad.

Not just honor but morality and goodness.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in an office that is majority women, maybe 65-70% and if I said the stuff they say to me regarding my appearance I would be fired. They're not super over the top comments in general but enough where if roles were reversed it would be sexual harassment. I try to keep my office door closed and avoid talking with women as much as possible.

Sure, Jan.

So it would be OK if I said stuff to a women like, "Wow you must work out. You look great in that shirt"?

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Anonymous wrote:I work in an office that is majority women, maybe 65-70% and if I said the stuff they say to me regarding my appearance I would be fired. They're not super over the top comments in general but enough where if roles were reversed it would be sexual harassment. I try to keep my office door closed and avoid talking with women as much as possible.

Sure, Jan.

So it would be OK if I said stuff to a women like, "Wow you must work out. You look great in that shirt"?

Perhaps if women committed sexual and violent crime at a rate anywhere approaching the rates men do things would be different. Work on that.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in an office that is majority women, maybe 65-70% and if I said the stuff they say to me regarding my appearance I would be fired. They're not super over the top comments in general but enough where if roles were reversed it would be sexual harassment. I try to keep my office door closed and avoid talking with women as much as possible.

Sure, Jan.

So it would be OK if I said stuff to a women like, "Wow you must work out. You look great in that shirt"?

Perhaps if women committed sexual and violent crime at a rate anywhere approaching the rates men do things would be different. Work on that.

So you're saying that because some men, who are not me, have committed sex crimes that means it's OK for me to be sexually harassed at my job? I voted for Clinton but thinking like this is part of the reason we have Trump now. Liberals eat their own.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in an office that is majority women, maybe 65-70% and if I said the stuff they say to me regarding my appearance I would be fired. They're not super over the top comments in general but enough where if roles were reversed it would be sexual harassment. I try to keep my office door closed and avoid talking with women as much as possible.

Sure, Jan.

So it would be OK if I said stuff to a women like, "Wow you must work out. You look great in that shirt"?

Perhaps if women committed sexual and violent crime at a rate anywhere approaching the rates men do things would be different. Work on that.

So you're saying that because some men, who are not me, have committed sex crimes that means it's OK for me to be sexually harassed at my job? I voted for Clinton but thinking like this is part of the reason we have Trump now. Liberals eat their own.

I am saying that women are by and large not sexual predators. Which is why you are feeling annoyed rather than concerned for your safety as a woman would be. If you would like that to change, please start with the men who prey on women. If you were truly an ally you would do that.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in an office that is majority women, maybe 65-70% and if I said the stuff they say to me regarding my appearance I would be fired. They're not super over the top comments in general but enough where if roles were reversed it would be sexual harassment. I try to keep my office door closed and avoid talking with women as much as possible.

Usually a smart idea in general.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in an office that is majority women, maybe 65-70% and if I said the stuff they say to me regarding my appearance I would be fired. They're not super over the top comments in general but enough where if roles were reversed it would be sexual harassment. I try to keep my office door closed and avoid talking with women as much as possible.

Sure, Jan.

So it would be OK if I said stuff to a women like, "Wow you must work out. You look great in that shirt"?

Perhaps if women committed sexual and violent crime at a rate anywhere approaching the rates men do things would be different. Work on that.

So you're saying that because some men, who are not me, have committed sex crimes that means it's OK for me to be sexually harassed at my job? I voted for Clinton but thinking like this is part of the reason we have Trump now. Liberals eat their own.

I am saying that women are by and large not sexual predators. Which is why you are feeling annoyed rather than concerned for your safety as a woman would be. If you would like that to change, please start with the men who prey on women. If you were truly an ally you would do that.

Your point is taken but not germane to this particular concern. Are you suggesting that if I similarly commented on a woman's appearance in the workplace they would automatically fear for their safety? I think that's a serious exaggeration. The fact is that it makes me uncomfortable when women in power make comments about my appearance. I don't even know what to say when it happens and it's happened several times.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in an office that is majority women, maybe 65-70% and if I said the stuff they say to me regarding my appearance I would be fired. They're not super over the top comments in general but enough where if roles were reversed it would be sexual harassment. I try to keep my office door closed and avoid talking with women as much as possible.

Sure, Jan.

So it would be OK if I said stuff to a women like, "Wow you must work out. You look great in that shirt"?

Perhaps if women committed sexual and violent crime at a rate anywhere approaching the rates men do things would be different. Work on that.

So you're saying that because some men, who are not me, have committed sex crimes that means it's OK for me to be sexually harassed at my job? I voted for Clinton but thinking like this is part of the reason we have Trump now. Liberals eat their own.

I am saying that women are by and large not sexual predators. Which is why you are feeling annoyed rather than concerned for your safety as a woman would be. If you would like that to change, please start with the men who prey on women. If you were truly an ally you would do that.

Your point is taken but not germane to this particular concern. Are you suggesting that if I similarly commented on a woman's appearance in the workplace they would automatically fear for their safety? I think that's a serious exaggeration. The fact is that it makes me uncomfortable when women in power make comments about my appearance. I don't even know what to say when it happens and it's happened several times.

Yes, and rightly so, given rates of sexual assault and violence from men.

[Anonymous]

Hey dude, what were you wearing? Did you wear something seductive? Maybe you were leading her on? You really need to think about your part in all this.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should men have honor when women don't?

True. Humans are a pretty shitty bunch.

No, no, no. I think most men do have honor, and most women do. We also do some shitty things. But the good far outweighs the bad. I have done some pretty bad things, but on the balance I'm a pretty good person, because those thousands of good things I do add up.

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Anonymous wrote:Why should men have honor when women don't?

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Anonymous wrote:Why should men have honor when women don't?

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Women do, unlike males.