Merging Deal and Hardy

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Anonymous wrote:We're in bounds for Deal and I really like the idea of 6th grade at Hardy and 7/8 at Deal. It could create two schools with a high quality, uniform middle school program. Heck, let's be really hopeful and use some of those increased shared resources to add a gifted program.


Problem is, I don't trust DCPS to not muck up Deal in the process. And I certainly doubt anyone will have political will to deal with the OOB issue. (Combining the schools would almost certainly greatly increase IB enrollment from the Hardy feeders, which would require kicking out most OOB kids in order to control size.)

True dat. No one downtown wants to reduce OOB slots in WOTP schools even as IB enrollments climb. It's easier just to throw trailers at the problem, and peddle platitudes like "Alice Deal for all."

[Anonymous]

My Hardy 7th grader takes Italian with students from other grades, has taken STEM1 and now STEM2 both with students from all grades, as well as Humanities and Art - again, students from all grades. Likely the same with Band, Chorus. You can't have only 6th grade/7-8th grade for those electives.

An alternative might be to move some of the most overcrowded ES feeders 5th grade classes to Hardy with the 6th grade from Hardy and Deal. By 5th grade, those kids are really ready to move on to a structured MS environment and would combine well with just 6th grade in one location. (I would want my 10yo 5th grader with a 14yo 8th grader, but 5/6 together would be good.) Advanced 5th grade students could take 6th grade math. Extracurruculars for a student paper or literary magazine, student play, would also be a plus for this age - they don't have that option at most ES. My Hardy feeder 5th grader is off to a Big3 private after the disaster inflicted on our Hardy MS (who is also off to private school; we surrender, can't fight City Hall and can't afford to wait for DCPS to fix this in 2-3 years). The school DC2 is attending has MS 5-8, with 5/6 clusters together and 7/8 clustered together (though grade-level core subjects).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My Hardy 7th grader takes Italian with students from other grades, has taken STEM1 and now STEM2 both with students from all grades, as well as Humanities and Art - again, students from all grades. Likely the same with Band, Chorus. You can't have only 6th grade/7-8th grade for those electives.

An alternative might be to move some of the most overcrowded ES feeders 5th grade classes to Hardy with the 6th grade from Hardy and Deal. By 5th grade, those kids are really ready to move on to a structured MS environment and would combine well with just 6th grade in one location. (I would want my 10yo 5th grader with a 14yo 8th grader, but 5/6 together would be good.) Advanced 5th grade students could take 6th grade math. Extracurruculars for a student paper or literary magazine, student play, would also be a plus for this age - they don't have that option at most ES. My Hardy feeder 5th grader is off to a Big3 private after the disaster inflicted on our Hardy MS (who is also off to private school; we surrender, can't fight City Hall and can't afford to wait for DCPS to fix this in 2-3 years). The school DC2 is attending has MS 5-8, with 5/6 clusters together and 7/8 clustered together (though grade-level core subjects).

^^^ correction would NOT want 10yo 5th grader with 14yo 8th graders

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Anonymous wrote:Never. Gonna. Happen.

-- Hardy IB family who would love it, but seriously why would any IB Deal family or Deal feeder family be up for this...

I seriously don't get the Hardy IB community. You have a school fed exclusively by top performing elementary schools. No dead weight whatsoever and most as hard to get into OOB as Deal feeds. If you just enrolled in boundary you'd have a school superior to Deal with a much more manageable size.

But that means someone's gotta do it first. They gotta keep going to reduce the OOB and thus reduce the brown kids to make it safe for everyone to come on in. You also have a great school in Banneker that no white families look at. DC, neck and neck with Boston for being the most racist liberal city.

Yep, as the mom of an OOB Hardy grad, the bolded statement is really offensive. Yeah, if you could just get rid of kids like mine, your school would be sooooo much better. Nice to know what you think of my child.

there's nothing racist in that statement. Take the standardized scores alone and the entire feeder pattern for Hardy comprises the top performing schools in DC. By "dead weight" I only referred to low performing schools. Deal doesn't really have dead weight either. If you want to read into that it's your hang up.

Banneker is an excellent school but irrelevant to Hardy other than it's the tired favorite card in every DCUM race player hand. It's a selective application school and it's demographics are largely self selected.

^^ and to be clear I'm not talking about OOB students at all.

Didn't say you were racist. Said you were saying that the key to a superior performing school is enrolling in-boundary children. Since my child was OOB, it's pretty clear you think that she brought down the quality of the school. Well, thanks for that!

not sure how you possibly reach that conclusion.

I don't know how else you can interpret this statement: If you just enrolled in boundary you'd have a school superior to Deal -- Meaning that if the IB community enrolls, the school would be better than Deal and if the IB community enrolls that means there's less room for OOB students, so it must be the OOB students pulling down Hardy's quality. My kid was OOB so that means you think she sucked intellectually and made Hardy worse.

If that statement meant something else, please explain it to me.

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Not the PP, but it's pretty clear to me that s/he was speaking generally and not about anyone's child specifically.

There's no debate that the test scores of in-boundary students are about two standard deviations above the scores of out-of-boundary students. Yet, the fact that your child is out-of-boundary does not mean anything because there are always a wide variety of scores within any set of scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Not the PP, but it's pretty clear to me that s/he was speaking generally and not about anyone's child specifically.

There's no debate that the test scores of in-boundary students are about two standard deviations above the scores of out-of-boundary students. Yet, the fact that your child is out-of-boundary does not mean anything because there are always a wide variety of scores within any set of scores.

I didn't know you can sort test scores by IB vs OOB, can you share how to do that?

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Anonymous wrote:Never. Gonna. Happen.

-- Hardy IB family who would love it, but seriously why would any IB Deal family or Deal feeder family be up for this...

I seriously don't get the Hardy IB community. You have a school fed exclusively by top performing elementary schools. No dead weight whatsoever and most as hard to get into OOB as Deal feeds. If you just enrolled in boundary you'd have a school superior to Deal with a much more manageable size.

But that means someone's gotta do it first. They gotta keep going to reduce the OOB and thus reduce the brown kids to make it safe for everyone to come on in. You also have a great school in Banneker that no white families look at. DC, neck and neck with Boston for being the most racist liberal city.

Yep, as the mom of an OOB Hardy grad, the bolded statement is really offensive. Yeah, if you could just get rid of kids like mine, your school would be sooooo much better. Nice to know what you think of my child.

Poster of the Never comment. I wasn't throwing shade at Hardy as much as why on earth would the parents of the best well performing school in the city - a majority of whom live close to the school - be willing to disrupt that AND add a commute. Seriously.

For a long time - for a variety of dynamics that rehash a lot of history - many of inflated and diversionary ones are regularly brought up on DCUM - Hardy has had low IB enrollment. For families coming from schools with super high scores and lots of amenities (yes, lots supplemented by the PTA) - there is a chicken and egg issue. Hardy is a good school - but is at a point where they are working through an increasing neighborhood and feeder families along with serving a big population of students from around the city. And helping all students achieve and succeed. We are sending our kids there.

A majority of Deal students do not live close to the school. A chunk, maybe but not over 50%. Beck the school is only 60% IB which includes Shepherd, Bancroft, and Lafayette. It does t help to exaggerate numbers when having these discussions.

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Anonymous wrote:Not the PP, but it's pretty clear to me that s/he was speaking generally and not about anyone's child specifically.

There's no debate that the test scores of in-boundary students are about two standard deviations above the scores of out-of-boundary students. Yet, the fact that your child is out-of-boundary does not mean anything because there are always a wide variety of scores within any set of scores.

If such posters don't want us to think that they are smearing all OOB children, then use qualifying language, eg, "some" or "many" to discuss this. It's not that hard to do. I do it all the time. Then it will be clearer to me that they may not be saying that my child was dragging down the education of all of the IB children attending Hardy.

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Anonymous wrote:Not the PP, but it's pretty clear to me that s/he was speaking generally and not about anyone's child specifically.

There's no debate that the test scores of in-boundary students are about two standard deviations above the scores of out-of-boundary students. Yet, the fact that your child is out-of-boundary does not mean anything because there are always a wide variety of scores within any set of scores.

I didn't know you can sort test scores by IB vs OOB, can you share how to do that?

You're really working hard to pick a fight, aren't you?

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Anonymous wrote:Not the PP, but it's pretty clear to me that s/he was speaking generally and not about anyone's child specifically.

There's no debate that the test scores of in-boundary students are about two standard deviations above the scores of out-of-boundary students. Yet, the fact that your child is out-of-boundary does not mean anything because there are always a wide variety of scores within any set of scores.

If such posters don't want us to think that they are smearing all OOB children, then use qualifying language, eg, "some" or "many" to discuss this. It's not that hard to do. I do it all the time. Then it will be clearer to me that they may not be saying that my child was dragging down the education of all of the IB children attending Hardy.

It's been made clear several times now, so why don't you let it go?

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Anonymous wrote:Never. Gonna. Happen.

-- Hardy IB family who would love it, but seriously why would any IB Deal family or Deal feeder family be up for this...

I seriously don't get the Hardy IB community. You have a school fed exclusively by top performing elementary schools. No dead weight whatsoever and most as hard to get into OOB as Deal feeds. If you just enrolled in boundary you'd have a school superior to Deal with a much more manageable size.

But that means someone's gotta do it first. They gotta keep going to reduce the OOB and thus reduce the brown kids to make it safe for everyone to come on in. You also have a great school in Banneker that no white families look at. DC, neck and neck with Boston for being the most racist liberal city.

Yep, as the mom of an OOB Hardy grad, the bolded statement is really offensive. Yeah, if you could just get rid of kids like mine, your school would be sooooo much better. Nice to know what you think of my child.

Poster of the Never comment. I wasn't throwing shade at Hardy as much as why on earth would the parents of the best well performing school in the city - a majority of whom live close to the school - be willing to disrupt that AND add a commute. Seriously.

For a long time - for a variety of dynamics that rehash a lot of history - many of inflated and diversionary ones are regularly brought up on DCUM - Hardy has had low IB enrollment. For families coming from schools with super high scores and lots of amenities (yes, lots supplemented by the PTA) - there is a chicken and egg issue. Hardy is a good school - but is at a point where they are working through an increasing neighborhood and feeder families along with serving a big population of students from around the city. And helping all students achieve and succeed. We are sending our kids there.

A majority of Deal students do not live close to the school. A chunk, maybe but not over 50%. Beck the school is only 60% IB which includes Shepherd, Bancroft, and Lafayette. It does t help to exaggerate numbers when having these discussions.

A family in the Shepherd or Lafayette catchment is certainly going to think of Deal as "close" relative to Hardy.

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Anonymous wrote:Never. Gonna. Happen.

-- Hardy IB family who would love it, but seriously why would any IB Deal family or Deal feeder family be up for this...

I seriously don't get the Hardy IB community. You have a school fed exclusively by top performing elementary schools. No dead weight whatsoever and most as hard to get into OOB as Deal feeds. If you just enrolled in boundary you'd have a school superior to Deal with a much more manageable size.

But that means someone's gotta do it first. They gotta keep going to reduce the OOB and thus reduce the brown kids to make it safe for everyone to come on in. You also have a great school in Banneker that no white families look at. DC, neck and neck with Boston for being the most racist liberal city.

Yep, as the mom of an OOB Hardy grad, the bolded statement is really offensive. Yeah, if you could just get rid of kids like mine, your school would be sooooo much better. Nice to know what you think of my child.

Poster of the Never comment. I wasn't throwing shade at Hardy as much as why on earth would the parents of the best well performing school in the city - a majority of whom live close to the school - be willing to disrupt that AND add a commute. Seriously.

For a long time - for a variety of dynamics that rehash a lot of history - many of inflated and diversionary ones are regularly brought up on DCUM - Hardy has had low IB enrollment. For families coming from schools with super high scores and lots of amenities (yes, lots supplemented by the PTA) - there is a chicken and egg issue. Hardy is a good school - but is at a point where they are working through an increasing neighborhood and feeder families along with serving a big population of students from around the city. And helping all students achieve and succeed. We are sending our kids there.

A majority of Deal students do not live close to the school. A chunk, maybe but not over 50%. Beck the school is only 60% IB which includes Shepherd, Bancroft, and Lafayette. It does t help to exaggerate numbers when having these discussions.

That doesn't change the point.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never. Gonna. Happen.

-- Hardy IB family who would love it, but seriously why would any IB Deal family or Deal feeder family be up for this...

I seriously don't get the Hardy IB community. You have a school fed exclusively by top performing elementary schools. No dead weight whatsoever and most as hard to get into OOB as Deal feeds. If you just enrolled in boundary you'd have a school superior to Deal with a much more manageable size.

But that means someone's gotta do it first. They gotta keep going to reduce the OOB and thus reduce the brown kids to make it safe for everyone to come on in. You also have a great school in Banneker that no white families look at. DC, neck and neck with Boston for being the most racist liberal city.

Yep, as the mom of an OOB Hardy grad, the bolded statement is really offensive. Yeah, if you could just get rid of kids like mine, your school would be sooooo much better. Nice to know what you think of my child.

Poster of the Never comment. I wasn't throwing shade at Hardy as much as why on earth would the parents of the best well performing school in the city - a majority of whom live close to the school - be willing to disrupt that AND add a commute. Seriously.

For a long time - for a variety of dynamics that rehash a lot of history - many of inflated and diversionary ones are regularly brought up on DCUM - Hardy has had low IB enrollment. For families coming from schools with super high scores and lots of amenities (yes, lots supplemented by the PTA) - there is a chicken and egg issue. Hardy is a good school - but is at a point where they are working through an increasing neighborhood and feeder families along with serving a big population of students from around the city. And helping all students achieve and succeed. We are sending our kids there.

A majority of Deal students do not live close to the school. A chunk, maybe but not over 50%. Beck the school is only 60% IB which includes Shepherd, Bancroft, and Lafayette. It does t help to exaggerate numbers when having these discussions.

That doesn't change the point.

yEs it does. The implication was that the majority of kids walk to school which is not the case. If you're driving from Chevy Chase it won't hurt to drive another 7 minutes especially if you're on the way downtown. Or better yet have your kid take bus all together.

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Anonymous wrote:Not the PP, but it's pretty clear to me that s/he was speaking generally and not about anyone's child specifically.

There's no debate that the test scores of in-boundary students are about two standard deviations above the scores of out-of-boundary students. Yet, the fact that your child is out-of-boundary does not mean anything because there are always a wide variety of scores within any set of scores.

I didn't know you can sort test scores by IB vs OOB, can you share how to do that?

You're really working hard to pick a fight, aren't you?

I'm not the PP, I was a NP. How the hell can you state that IB scores are better than OOB? It's stupid made up statements as facts that strip away any credibility.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not the PP, but it's pretty clear to me that s/he was speaking generally and not about anyone's child specifically.

There's no debate that the test scores of in-boundary students are about two standard deviations above the scores of out-of-boundary students. Yet, the fact that your child is out-of-boundary does not mean anything because there are always a wide variety of scores within any set of scores.

If such posters don't want us to think that they are smearing all OOB children, then use qualifying language, eg, "some" or "many" to discuss this. It's not that hard to do. I do it all the time. Then it will be clearer to me that they may not be saying that my child was dragging down the education of all of the IB children attending Hardy.

It's been made clear several times now, so why don't you let it go?

Because it wasn't made clear several times. Not that hard to be precise with your language. Even some of us OOB parents are capable of doing that.