#Towergate WILL be investigated

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe it will be, but Comey has asked DOJ to publicly state that there was no wiretapping of Trump, saying it didn't happen.

If they do, it will be a remarkable rebuke of a sitting president.

"The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump’s assertion that President Barack Obama ordered the tapping of Mr. Trump’s phones, senior American officials said on Sunday. Mr. Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected, they said, but the department has not released any such statement.

Mr. Comey made the request on Saturday after Mr. Trump leveled his allegation on Twitter. Mr. Comey has been working to get the Justice Department to knock down Mr. Trump’s claim because there is no evidence to support it and it insinuates that the F.B.I. broke the law, the officials said."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/05/us/politics/trump-seeks-inquiry-into-allegations-that-obama-tapped-his-phones.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Red herring ... Trump never said Obama personally "ordered" the wiretapping. The allegation was that the Obama administration engaged eavesdropping on political campaign during national election.

Now the congress has agreed to investigate it - let's wait for the facts from the formal investigation.

Try again

I still don't see the word Obama "ordered" it. You do know DOJ/FBI, NSA and all other IC agencies worked for Obama. Obama was ultimately responsible for things happened under his administration. His non-denial denial yesterday was playing the same word game NY Times is playing.

WOW!!! This explains Trumps successful election. People chose to interpret facts selectively. Sad all these added investigations how will congress ever accomplish finishing anything such as Obamacare or anything else for that matter. Wasting taxpayers dollars. Economy is great now but save your dollars and tell your children to pick a recession proof career because it will be a disaster at the end of his presidency much like Reagans. What a mess!!!

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Anonymous wrote:House Intelligence Committee chair, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said the allegations will become part of his panel's investigation. The committee 'will make inquiries into whether the government was conducting surveillance activities on any political party's campaign officials or surrogates,' Nunes' statement read.

While on the Senate side, Intelligence Committee member, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said 'I’m sure that this matter will be a part of that inquiry,' during a discussion on Fox News Sunday.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4283584/White-House-asks-Congress-look-wire-tapping-claims.html#ixzz4aU6umnHM

Things are not looking good for Barack Obama.

I am not worried about Barack Obama. I doubt he did anything wrong. And if he *did* do something wrong, the I am fine with him accepting the consequences of that.
Do you think we are afraid of what Obama may or may not have done? Because I'm not.

I actually am a little bit worried about Obama, not that he did anything wrong but that nothing is too low for trump and his comrades including malicious prosecution and kangaroo courts. And that's apart from inspring some lone, crazy deplorable to try to harm him though obviously he has secret service protection.

Agree, it is somewhat worrisome. Given a delusional Trump supporter shot up Comet Ping Pong based on completely fabricated bullshit I wouldn't put it past another delusional Trump supporter to want to do the same with this believing that Obama is this big evil guy who was surveilling his political opponents just for sake of them being political opponents. Sorry, folks but Obama is not the Nixon with the "enemies list." Trump is the Nixon with the "enemies list." That's already established.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:House Intelligence Committee chair, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said the allegations will become part of his panel's investigation. The committee 'will make inquiries into whether the government was conducting surveillance activities on any political party's campaign officials or surrogates,' Nunes' statement read.

While on the Senate side, Intelligence Committee member, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said 'I’m sure that this matter will be a part of that inquiry,' during a discussion on Fox News Sunday.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4283584/White-House-asks-Congress-look-wire-tapping-claims.html#ixzz4aU6umnHM

Things are not looking good for Barack Obama.

I am not worried about Barack Obama. I doubt he did anything wrong. And if he *did* do something wrong, the I am fine with him accepting the consequences of that.
Do you think we are afraid of what Obama may or may not have done? Because I'm not.

I actually am a little bit worried about Obama, not that he did anything wrong but that nothing is too low for trump and his comrades including malicious prosecution and kangaroo courts. And that's apart from inspring some lone, crazy deplorable to try to harm him though obviously he has secret service protection.

I meant I'm not worried about him legally, but yes I can see your point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:House Intelligence Committee chair, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said the allegations will become part of his panel's investigation. The committee 'will make inquiries into whether the government was conducting surveillance activities on any political party's campaign officials or surrogates,' Nunes' statement read.

While on the Senate side, Intelligence Committee member, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said 'I’m sure that this matter will be a part of that inquiry,' during a discussion on Fox News Sunday.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4283584/White-House-asks-Congress-look-wire-tapping-claims.html#ixzz4aU6umnHM

Things are not looking good for Barack Obama.

Things are not looking good for someone, that's for sure. Can you guess who?

The question is not whether the wiretaps were legal. The question is whether or not they continued to tape even when they found nothing. What's damning is Obama relaxing the rules on how the information can be viewed and used two weeks before he left office.

Dems are walking back their statements to keep themselves from being caught in the web. Interesting times.

I listened to Clapper on MTP yesterday and what I heard him saying was that the rules were relaxed so that intelligence already gathered could be shared in investigation. The concern was that if only one entity had the intelligence, it could easily disappear after Trump was sworn in. The word he used when talking about relaxing the rules on collected intelligence was preserve.

I also heard him say that evidence of collusion was not included in his report to Obama and Trump in January. I'll have to go back and listen to it again, but I could swear he said it twice: not included in his report. That doesn't mean the evidence doesn't exist.

So what's damning is Trump's concern about surveillance of his Tower of Sauron. Clapper stated it plainly several times: there was no FISA warrant. If Trump heard the report that there was Russian interference, but no evidence of his campaign's involvement, why would he be so worried as to make an unfounded claim that his offices had been under surveillance?

[Anonymous]

Spokes Huckabee Sanders pushing back against Comey this AM, again without a scintilla of proof of surveillance, illegal or otherwise. So much for Spicer's lockdown. He's vanished and she can't keep her mouth shut.

[Anonymous]

It seems like they are baiting Comey at this point.

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Some smart people are listening carefully and understanding.

I would add that much of the intel to date is not from the US IC but rather international IC, and as such, the domestic IC cannot control leaks.

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Anonymous wrote:Spokes Huckabee Sanders pushing back against Comey this AM, again without a scintilla of proof of surveillance, illegal or otherwise. So much for Spicer's lockdown. He's vanished and she can't keep her mouth shut.

Show me the wires Trump!!! Stop wasting valuable time and get to governing our nation. It will be a long 4 year s with your thin skin. Yes, you had a good day last Tuesday with your speech. There was some hope that you will be normal but all that's blown by the wayside. Get over it you didn't win the popular vote, he'll half your party barely tolerates you. Why don't you prove us all wrong by actually being normal.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like they are baiting Comey at this point.

But why? If Trump is innocent there'd be no need to bait anyone. Or make accusations about surveillance.

Or lie about contact with Russians.

There would be no need to be spinning this at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like they are baiting Comey at this point.

But why? If Trump is innocent there'd be no need to bait anyone. Or make accusations about surveillance.

Or lie about contact with Russians.

There would be no need to be spinning this at all.

Trump is morally bankrupt and very likely mentally unbalanced. He gets "facts" from Newsmax and Infowars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:House Intelligence Committee chair, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said the allegations will become part of his panel's investigation. The committee 'will make inquiries into whether the government was conducting surveillance activities on any political party's campaign officials or surrogates,' Nunes' statement read.

While on the Senate side, Intelligence Committee member, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said 'I’m sure that this matter will be a part of that inquiry,' during a discussion on Fox News Sunday.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4283584/White-House-asks-Congress-look-wire-tapping-claims.html#ixzz4aU6umnHM

Things are not looking good for Barack Obama.

Things are not looking good for someone, that's for sure. Can you guess who?

The question is not whether the wiretaps were legal. The question is whether or not they continued to tape even when they found nothing. What's damning is Obama relaxing the rules on how the information can be viewed and used two weeks before he left office.

Dems are walking back their statements to keep themselves from being caught in the web. Interesting times.

I listened to Clapper on MTP yesterday and what I heard him saying was that the rules were relaxed so that intelligence already gathered could be shared in investigation. The concern was that if only one entity had the intelligence, it could easily disappear after Trump was sworn in. The word he used when talking about relaxing the rules on collected intelligence was preserve.

I also heard him say that evidence of collusion was not included in his report to Obama and Trump in January. I'll have to go back and listen to it again, but I could swear he said it twice: not included in his report. That doesn't mean the evidence doesn't exist.

So what's damning is Trump's concern about surveillance of his Tower of Sauron. Clapper stated it plainly several times: there was no FISA warrant. If Trump heard the report that there was Russian interference, but no evidence of his campaign's involvement, why would he be so worried as to make an unfounded claim that his offices had been under surveillance?

You know Clapper denied the existence of FISA warrants, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like they are baiting Comey at this point.

But why? If Trump is innocent there'd be no need to bait anyone. Or make accusations about surveillance.

Or lie about contact with Russians.

There would be no need to be spinning this at all.

I am pp and I agree it makes no sense. I will say that he is impulsive to a degree that most normal to high functioning adults cannot begin to relate to and I think we're often left trying to retrofit a motive to what was simply a failure of his frontal lobes to inhibit some rash idea/tweet.

[Anonymous]

I saw someone else here say IC pulled all their info not from monitoring Trump Tower but from monitoring Russia and seeing evidence of Trump team communication there. That would allow it to be true that Obama did not illegally order a wiretap as well as Clapper's assertion there was no FISA warrant to legally wiretap. The Trump team just didn't consider that Russia WAS tapped. This seems the easiest explanation. Luckily the investigation POTUS himself dog whistled for should clear this up lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:House Intelligence Committee chair, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said the allegations will become part of his panel's investigation. The committee 'will make inquiries into whether the government was conducting surveillance activities on any political party's campaign officials or surrogates,' Nunes' statement read.

While on the Senate side, Intelligence Committee member, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said 'I’m sure that this matter will be a part of that inquiry,' during a discussion on Fox News Sunday.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4283584/White-House-asks-Congress-look-wire-tapping-claims.html#ixzz4aU6umnHM

Things are not looking good for Barack Obama.

Things are not looking good for someone, that's for sure. Can you guess who?

The question is not whether the wiretaps were legal. The question is whether or not they continued to tape even when they found nothing. What's damning is Obama relaxing the rules on how the information can be viewed and used two weeks before he left office.

Dems are walking back their statements to keep themselves from being caught in the web. Interesting times.

I listened to Clapper on MTP yesterday and what I heard him saying was that the rules were relaxed so that intelligence already gathered could be shared in investigation. The concern was that if only one entity had the intelligence, it could easily disappear after Trump was sworn in. The word he used when talking about relaxing the rules on collected intelligence was preserve.

I also heard him say that evidence of collusion was not included in his report to Obama and Trump in January. I'll have to go back and listen to it again, but I could swear he said it twice: not included in his report. That doesn't mean the evidence doesn't exist.

So what's damning is Trump's concern about surveillance of his Tower of Sauron. Clapper stated it plainly several times: there was no FISA warrant. If Trump heard the report that there was Russian interference, but no evidence of his campaign's involvement, why would he be so worried as to make an unfounded claim that his offices had been under surveillance?

You know Clapper denied the existence of FISA warrants, right?

Yes. Go back and read the bolded in my post. Chuck Todd asked him more than once and he said it emphatically. No FISA warrant while he was in charge.

He also said his report included no evidence of Trump's campaign colluding with Russians. So why would Trump be worried that there was surveillance - legal or otherwise?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:House Intelligence Committee chair, Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said the allegations will become part of his panel's investigation. The committee 'will make inquiries into whether the government was conducting surveillance activities on any political party's campaign officials or surrogates,' Nunes' statement read.

While on the Senate side, Intelligence Committee member, Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said 'I’m sure that this matter will be a part of that inquiry,' during a discussion on Fox News Sunday.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4283584/White-House-asks-Congress-look-wire-tapping-claims.html#ixzz4aU6umnHM

Things are not looking good for Barack Obama.

Things are not looking good for someone, that's for sure. Can you guess who?

The question is not whether the wiretaps were legal. The question is whether or not they continued to tape even when they found nothing. What's damning is Obama relaxing the rules on how the information can be viewed and used two weeks before he left office.

Dems are walking back their statements to keep themselves from being caught in the web. Interesting times.

I listened to Clapper on MTP yesterday and what I heard him saying was that the rules were relaxed so that intelligence already gathered could be shared in investigation. The concern was that if only one entity had the intelligence, it could easily disappear after Trump was sworn in. The word he used when talking about relaxing the rules on collected intelligence was preserve.

I also heard him say that evidence of collusion was not included in his report to Obama and Trump in January. I'll have to go back and listen to it again, but I could swear he said it twice: not included in his report. That doesn't mean the evidence doesn't exist.

So what's damning is Trump's concern about surveillance of his Tower of Sauron. Clapper stated it plainly several times: there was no FISA warrant. If Trump heard the report that there was Russian interference, but no evidence of his campaign's involvement, why would he be so worried as to make an unfounded claim that his offices had been under surveillance?

You know Clapper denied the existence of FISA warrants, right?

Yes. Go back and read the bolded in my post. Chuck Todd asked him more than once and he said it emphatically. No FISA warrant while he was in charge.

He also said his report included no evidence of Trump's campaign colluding with Russians. So why would Trump be worried that there was surveillance - legal or otherwise?

Clasper said that he hoped he would be aware of any such warrant or order and that to the best of his knowledge there was no warrant or order.

That is not the same as definitively stating that no warrant or order existed. Period.