Banning All Muslims to Immigrate to USA

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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.


Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).



Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups.


Groups that don't get along and compete with each other , by the way. He seemed a bit ignorant of the various terrorist organizations. I don't think there is enough information to say he worked with ISIS, simply saying he supports them doesn't make it so.
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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.


+1. People love that narrative, but it isn't actually supported by the facts. It's hard to say what causes some people to self-radicalize, but unfortunately it's not prevented by just being nice to them.
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OP, you don't ban people to do something. You ban something. Or you ban doing something. Grammar, my friend, grammar. If you hope to be taken seriously.
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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.


Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).



Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups.


Groups that don't get along and compete with each other , by the way. He seemed a bit ignorant of the various terrorist organizations. I don't think there is enough information to say he worked with ISIS, simply saying he supports them doesn't make it so.


You are proving the point even more so in that all three groups ha e one thing in common - they are radical Islamic groups.
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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.


Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).



Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups.


Great, go ahead and add that. Doesn't change the conclusion.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.


Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).



Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups.


Great, go ahead and add that. Doesn't change the conclusion.


I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy guns. Also though the intent needs to be changed and prevented from increasing in this country. Look at th was going on in Europe. The London Mayor just banned ads with women in bikinis.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.


Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).



Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups.


Great, go ahead and add that. Doesn't change the conclusion.


I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy guns. Also though the intent needs to be changed and prevented from increasing in this country. Look at th was going on in Europe. The London Mayor just banned ads with women in bikinis.


Who's surprised that a Muslim Mayor banned ads of women in bikinis, raise your hands....
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.


Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).



Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups.


Great, go ahead and add that. Doesn't change the conclusion.


I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy guns. Also though the intent needs to be changed and prevented from increasing in this country. Look at th was going on in Europe. The London Mayor just banned ads with women in bikinis.


Who's surprised that a Muslim Mayor banned ads of women in bikinis, raise your hands....


I think Londoners are surprised and a bit nervous.
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I think Londoners are surprised and a bit nervous.


They got what they asked for. What's there to be nervous about?
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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.


Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).



Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups.


Great, go ahead and add that. Doesn't change the conclusion.


I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy guns. Also though the intent needs to be changed and prevented from increasing in this country. Look at th was going on in Europe. The London Mayor just banned ads with women in bikinis.


Who's surprised that a Muslim Mayor banned ads of women in bikinis, raise your hands....


I think Londoners are surprised and a bit nervous.


I disagree with this because I'm an American and I like my First Amendment. But I think you're wrong to make this a "Muslim" thing. The article I read said that the London mayor had support from non-Muslim feminists. It also said non-Muslim German politicians supported similar legislation in that country. Europe does share our ideal of freedom speech. Germany has criminalized Nazi symbols and "hate speech" -- that would never fly here. Westboro won its Supreme Court case 8-1. I took a class in law school on the First Amendment and a Canadian classmate was incredulous at the fairly limitless bounds. He said "What's so great about free speech?" Everyone looked at him like he was crazy. America is unique.
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I think Londoners are surprised and a bit nervous.


They got what they asked for. What's there to be nervous about?


who didn't see this coming?
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They were Muslim Belgium citizens


Trump said immigration from countries known to have terrorists. Does Belgium fall in that category?


If Belgium and Germany continues to deny their issues with refugees, yes, it would and should.
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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


They are CHOOSING not to assimilate. So we say nothing about it, don't enforce rules, don't rock that boat and they will now assimilate?
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.


Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).



Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups.


Great, go ahead and add that. Doesn't change the conclusion.


I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy guns. Also though the intent needs to be changed and prevented from increasing in this country. Look at th was going on in Europe. The London Mayor just banned ads with women in bikinis.


Who's surprised that a Muslim Mayor banned ads of women in bikinis, raise your hands....


I think Londoners are surprised and a bit nervous.


Yup. And I'm quite surprised that THEY are surprised. Do people not understand who they voted in? Apparently not.
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Anonymous wrote:So would Trump ban immigrants from Belgium?


If they come from Belgium, they would be political refugees escaping the Muslims who have overtaken their country.


But there have been terrorist acts committed by Belgian citizens, so his current proposal would mean a ban on all immigrants from Belgium.



They were Muslim Belgium citizens that were second generation immigrants. The problem lies with the second generation being radicalized as the Paris, Boston, La, Orlando, and Brussels attacks all were orchestrated by Muslim second generation immigrants that became radicalized. It could happen here in the US too just as it has happened in Europe. The parents are okay but their children become radicalized. Do your research and see for yourself the direct link.


I agree. So maybe the issue is they are not assimilating. What do we (and Europe) do about that?

One obviously easy thing is this: don't have a president who spews hate speech, and generalizes a whole group of people and religion based on the bad actions of a few. A lot of these people who become radicalized do so because they are marginalized in society, and/or have some mental issues. A popular leader who incites his supporters to hatred is going to marginalize these Muslims even further. Most of our political leaders, both GOP and Dems, realize this.


Nowhere the la shooter or Orlando shooter were marginalized. They had good jobs- even one worked for the state and had great benefits and colleagues threw him a baby shower. President Obama has reached out to Muslims and met in 680,000 Muslims into the US over his presidency and still it does not help. What more can we do? These killers were not marginalized. Stop using that as an excuse.


Marginalization is a broader cultural issue -- it has to do with whether you feel enfranchised and a valued part of your society. The fact that he had a job is evidence but not dispositive of that. In any event, this guy with his closeted gayness and anger issues has added motivations it appears -- the thing most likely to have mattered in his case was being banned from buying guns (and having that ban enforced/monitored).



Oh you forgot the small detail that he called 911 and pledged his support to Isis and other Islamist groups.


Great, go ahead and add that. Doesn't change the conclusion.


I agree he shouldn't have been able to buy guns. Also though the intent needs to be changed and prevented from increasing in this country. Look at th was going on in Europe. The London Mayor just banned ads with women in bikinis.


Who's surprised that a Muslim Mayor banned ads of women in bikinis, raise your hands....


I think Londoners are surprised and a bit nervous.


I disagree with this because I'm an American and I like my First Amendment. But I think you're wrong to make this a "Muslim" thing. The article I read said that the London mayor had support from non-Muslim feminists. It also said non-Muslim German politicians supported similar legislation in that country. Europe does share our ideal of freedom speech. Germany has criminalized Nazi symbols and "hate speech" -- that would never fly here. Westboro won its Supreme Court case 8-1. I took a class in law school on the First Amendment and a Canadian classmate was incredulous at the fairly limitless bounds. He said "What's so great about free speech?" Everyone looked at him like he was crazy. America is unique.


Unreal. Y'all can rationalize anything, can't you.
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