Common Core sets up children with language disorders for constant failure: article
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this again?
Common Core STANDARDS, folks - They are standards that are adapted by local systems to fit w/in a curriculum framework for each of the core subject areas (core for now, as many electives are adopting them, too). Standards don't fail kids. Kids fail for a variety of reasons. And as a parent, if you see something's lacking, work with your child at home. We paid for extra services for our child - and many of you have the $$ to supplement. So don't even go there. ridiculous Do you think SPED is any different now than it was 10 or 15 years ago? If anything, kids are expected to perform, which wasn't the case years ago. |
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My child is dyslexic, and yes, writing out answers is hard for him. Other things in math are really hard for him, too, like rote memorization of times tables. He may never learn them. But I am still blown away by the way he is learning math, and how different (in a good way!) his experience is from mine. I am dyslexic, too, and when I was in school the way multiplication was taught was memorizing the times tables. I didn't understand for years - until graduate school, when I took and loved statistics - what numbers really meant. But my son loves math, and is good at it. Accomodations exist so that a kid like my son can have an alternate way to show his work. For example, he can draw something, or dictate his thinking using voice recognition software. |
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I agree, and I'm a liberal. I think Common Core, at least the way it's been implemented, really hurts introverts. Not with any learning issues, just introverts. Yes, my child *can* make conversation and talk with her peers about every darned thing they do in class, but it takes a lot out of her and makes her hate school. She never gets any time to just do her own work and think. If you're an introvert, you need that to be happy. I think back to my education, and I was a shy introvert as well, and I at least had my own little universe at my desk where I could have some space for myself. I learned socialization (and you wouldn't even think i'm an introvert today), but at recess and lunch and some other sporadic group projects. But in elementary school it's just about who's the biggest alpha social butterfly. Totally sucks, and not representative of the real world. I'm a successful professional, and I spend 3/4 of my day basically alone. I'm certainly not forced to chitchat all day long. |
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Your child can do her own thing at home. The point of school is guided learning. It isn't about socializing and play. If she needs that, she needs to go back to preschool. And, the point of this thread was about SN. And introvert is not a SN. It is a personality type. Be lucky you are just struggling with a child as an introvert. Many of us would wish to have your problems. |
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Your child can do her own thing at home. The point of school is guided learning. It isn't about socializing and play. If she needs that, she needs to go back to preschool. And, the point of this thread was about SN. And introvert is not a SN. It is a personality type. Be lucky you are just struggling with a child as an introvert. Many of us would wish to have your problems. There appears to be one or two posters on this thread who are willfully misreading others' posts. Nowhere did PP talk about her child wanting socializing and play. Quite the contrary; PP's child wants time alone to absorb and was presumably ruing the forced discussions among children of various math problems under some implementations of CC. I thought the introvert point was interesting in this context. I work with a number of people who are quant superstars--think multiple articles published in the most prestigious journals in their fields. And almost every one is an introvert. I don't know what the second PP's angle is. But it's a bit breathtaking that she thinks the first PP should--as a normal course of things--teach her child after the child has spent hours in school. Then she goes on to attack the first PP for just having an introverted kid because so many others (implicitly second PP but so mean spirited one wonders) have an SN kid. And to top it all off, she accuses first PP of being off topic. Which she is not; the article yes was about language impaired kids and CC (not SN more broadly), but the point many have made in this thread is that poor implementation has made the estimable CC standards inaccessibe to many, not just the language impaired, and including the fully NT. |
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There appears to be one or two posters on this thread who are willfully misreading others' posts. Nowhere did PP talk about her child wanting socializing and play. Quite the contrary; PP's child wants time alone to absorb and was presumably ruing the forced discussions among children of various math problems under some implementations of CC. I thought the introvert point was interesting in this context. I work with a number of people who are quant superstars--think multiple articles published in the most prestigious journals in their fields. And almost every one is an introvert. I don't know what the second PP's angle is. But it's a bit breathtaking that she thinks the first PP should--as a normal course of things--teach her child after the child has spent hours in school. Then she goes on to attack the first PP for just having an introverted kid because so many others (implicitly second PP but so mean spirited one wonders) have an SN kid. And to top it all off, she accuses first PP of being off topic. Which she is not; the article yes was about language impaired kids and CC (not SN more broadly), but the point many have made in this thread is that poor implementation has made the estimable CC standards inaccessibe to many, not just the language impaired, and including the fully NT. Introverted is a personality type, not a special need. That has nothing to do with special needs or common core. You are changing the topic to say it is not accessible to all kids. The point is that it is far more challenging to language impaired kids. This isn't about the poor implementation. It is how it impacts a group of kids who are challenged in a way you clearly understand. And, most parents of special needs kids significantly supplement what is done at school - either directly or through speech, OT, Tutoring and other services. If your child is struggling and not labeled special needs, then perhaps there is more going on with your child than you realize. |
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You couldn't have missed the point more if you were trying. Goodness. I was saying it's bad in this way for NT introverts as well. And to the point that NT introverts are being diagnosed with anxiety and depression because they're being forced to be extroverts all day. And I did not say anything about the child wanting to play more or "do her own thing". She wants to do her work, just without also carrying on two conversations at the same time. That's helpful for some learners, but not all. |
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What is the source of your information that the Common Core standards are causing neurotypical introverts to be diagnosed with anxiety and depression? Standards like this, presumably (these are second-grade standards): CCSS.ELA-Literacy.SL.2.1 Participate in collaborative conversations with diverse partners about grade 2 topics and texts with peers and adults in small and larger groups. CCSS.ELA-Literacy.SL.2.1.a Follow agreed-upon rules for discussions (e.g., gaining the floor in respectful ways, listening to others with care, speaking one at a time about the topics and texts under discussion). CCSS.ELA-Literacy.SL.2.1.b Build on others' talk in conversations by linking their comments to the remarks of others. CCSS.ELA-Literacy.SL.2.1.c Ask for clarification and further explanation as needed about the topics and texts under discussion. |
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In my original post I said "at least the way it's being implemented". Settle down. |
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Your point is about you and your need vs the topic at hand. Comparing a introvert at risk for anxiety and depression is not comparable to a language child. Have you even thought about what you are saying. Ok, so you labeled your kid as an introvert. Not all introverts have mental health issues. Do you even get the real concern? What challenges our children face? How much we spend on therapies, cannot work as we are running every day to appointments, etc. we are not talking about a quiet child who prefers some down or alone time. Do you get many of our kids do not start talking till 4-5 and if they catch up, it takes years and many still always struggle. Ever worry if your child will talk? Ever worry about sending your five year old to school who cannot tell you anything thing about their day as they cannot answer basic questions. |
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Your point is about you and your need vs the topic at hand. Comparing a introvert at risk for anxiety and depression is not comparable to a language child. Have you even thought about what you are saying. Ok, so you labeled your kid as an introvert. Not all introverts have mental health issues. Do you even get the real concern? What challenges our children face? How much we spend on therapies, cannot work as we are running every day to appointments, etc. we are not talking about a quiet child who prefers some down or alone time. Do you get many of our kids do not start talking till 4-5 and if they catch up, it takes years and many still always struggle. Ever worry if your child will talk? Ever worry about sending your five year old to school who cannot tell you anything thing about their day as they cannot answer basic questions. Whoa! That chip on your shoulder is getting ever larger. I have an SN child who has gone through seven years of therapy (language plus other problems_. My NT child has medical problems and has been hospitalized three times for life threatening illnesses (think well over 25 percent fatality rates). Also two suicide attempts and two other psych admissions. I guess I could say be thankful that your child's worst problem is that he doesn't talk much. None of this would cause me to minimize the special problems PP has with an introverted NT child. Just because the child is NT does not mean the child is free of difficult to manage problems. PP is right to be concerned about the possibility of possible mental health problems; they are nightmare to deal with. it's not a picnic to be an introvert in a society that values extroverts and thinks introverts are less than. This is not contest--my child is worse off than yours so shut up already. If anything, having problems with your child should help make one more empathetic, not less, towards others' problems even if by some objective measure they are not of the same order of magnitude of what your child has. Have you considered therapy? |
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Whoa! That chip on your shoulder is getting ever larger. I have an SN child who has gone through seven years of therapy (language plus other problems_. My NT child has medical problems and has been hospitalized three times for life threatening illnesses (think well over 25 percent fatality rates). Also two suicide attempts and two other psych admissions. I guess I could say be thankful that your child's worst problem is that he doesn't talk much. None of this would cause me to minimize the special problems PP has with an introverted NT child. Just because the child is NT does not mean the child is free of difficult to manage problems. PP is right to be concerned about the possibility of possible mental health problems; they are nightmare to deal with. it's not a picnic to be an introvert in a society that values extroverts and thinks introverts are less than. This is not contest--my child is worse off than yours so shut up already. If anything, having problems with your child should help make one more empathetic, not less, towards others' problems even if by some objective measure they are not of the same order of magnitude of what your child has. Have you considered therapy? Seriously, that is your answer. And, you are showing empathy. The topic is common core and language disorders. It is not about a personality type. Clearly your child didn't have the language issues if you are not getting the concerns many parents face with language kids. Our kids cannot answer basic questions, therefore will fail because they do not have the verbal skills - receptive or expressive to be able to speak. No one is minimizing other issues, but the topic is about language disorders. Why is there a need to dismiss kids and/or the need to lump them in with other diagnosis not fitting for them. If you want to complain about CC and your kids who are not language delayed, start a new topic. |
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Seriously, that is your answer. And, you are showing empathy. The topic is common core and language disorders. It is not about a personality type. Clearly your child didn't have the language issues if you are not getting the concerns many parents face with language kids. Our kids cannot answer basic questions, therefore will fail because they do not have the verbal skills - receptive or expressive to be able to speak. No one is minimizing other issues, but the topic is about language disorders. Why is there a need to dismiss kids and/or the need to lump them in with other diagnosis not fitting for them. If you want to complain about CC and your kids who are not language delayed, start a new topic. You must be new to DCUM if you believe going off on tangents should kick a poster off a thread. And a tangent that says the way CC is implemented in many places isn't just detrimental to language impaired kids but also to many others is, by DCUM standards, not much of a tangent. Take a look at the gn at Wilson thread that has turned into a pun fest. I am now thinking you are the the OP and not one of the PPs who said stop blaming CC--the school needs to get more language resources for the language impaired or some similar when pigs fly statement. But I wonder if singling out language impaired children only as victims of certain CC implementations actually weakens the case for change. Wouldn't showing these implementations are detrimental to many types of kids actually help get changes through to make implementation of CC successful for as many kids as possible? Just having a hard time understanding why you are so peeved at others noting problems other types of kids are having with CC as it is often implemented. (Know saying implement so many times is redundant, but there is another PP who jumps down everyone's throat if they shortcut and just say CC because, people, they are standards, yes, standards and you cannot criticize them, deftly sidestepping the many, many posts that have focused on their implementation and not the standards themselves.) |