High IQ, average processing speed

[Anonymous]

I have a nephew with this profile, very high IQ with avg processing speed. No ASD, anxiety, or ADHD. He is currently ranked in the top ten in the country for his age group in chess. He also gets excellent grades at school.

He does not have SNs and his avg processing speed is never discussed.

[Anonymous]

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Look, you are pretty tone deaf not to realize how this comes off. You have an academically successful child going to a good college who will be self supporting and have normal chances of a social life. I get that he may not have lived up to your expectations (and also that he may have struggled) but can't you see how very very different your story is than many on here who wonder if their children will ever be independent, able to function in the work force, and be accepted socially?

NP here. PP, It sounds as if you have a child with a disability of some kind -- but not the disability that is the topic of this thread, is that correct? Specifically, you do not have a child who is not what is colloquially called "2e." Your child has a completely different disability.

Can you please then explain why you clicked on THIS thread, you are participating in THIS thread, and you are attempting to police the discussion about an actual neurological disability that does not affect your life?

Where do you get off announcing that there now is a ranking of neurological disabilities? And that you have been appointed the master of deciding which SN parents get air time to discuss their concerns and which SN parents do not

You don't get to decide which kids do not make the cut, based on your omniscient knowledge of "who has it the worst." And it is emphatically not "tone deaf" to discuss the neurological deficiencies and struggles of a child simply because some other child with a different diagnosis will not have the same options in life.

New poster: question for you. In what other arenas do you hold out you child as having a neurological disability? To his pediatrician? His summer camp? His college? His grandparents? Or is this simply a label that you can utilize when it works to get something you need for him?
Because I can tell you I have a child with a neuro disability and it's not subtle. Don't throw that term around.

I have a kid with this profile, and it is closely linked to ADHD, which my DS has. So who do we tell that he is 2e/ has SNs? People who need to know. His school (he's under a 504), close family members, definitely sleep away camp (he takes medication). Even his after school babysitter, so she understands how to deal with homework and behavioral issues as they arise. It's on any extracurricular forms that ask about medical issues and/or medication. Maybe not my next door neighbor, but DS comes off as very bright, but also a bit "off" socially, so I'm sure they wouldn't be surprised if we told them. And it's not "holding out" anything. Extensive neuropsych testing tells us that he DOES have this IQ profile and DOES have serious ADHD.

I think you sidestepped the question very conveniently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, you are pretty tone deaf not to realize how this comes off. You have an academically successful child going to a good college who will be self supporting and have normal chances of a social life. I get that he may not have lived up to your expectations (and also that he may have struggled) but can't you see how very very different your story is than many on here who wonder if their children will ever be independent, able to function in the work force, and be accepted socially?

NP here. PP, It sounds as if you have a child with a disability of some kind -- but not the disability that is the topic of this thread, is that correct? Specifically, you do not have a child who is not what is colloquially called "2e." Your child has a completely different disability.

Can you please then explain why you clicked on THIS thread, you are participating in THIS thread, and you are attempting to police the discussion about an actual neurological disability that does not affect your life?

Where do you get off announcing that there now is a ranking of neurological disabilities? And that you have been appointed the master of deciding which SN parents get air time to discuss their concerns and which SN parents do not

You don't get to decide which kids do not make the cut, based on your omniscient knowledge of "who has it the worst." And it is emphatically not "tone deaf" to discuss the neurological deficiencies and struggles of a child simply because some other child with a different diagnosis will not have the same options in life.

New poster: question for you. In what other arenas do you hold out you child as having a neurological disability? To his pediatrician? His summer camp? His college? His grandparents? Or is this simply a label that you can utilize when it works to get something you need for him?
Because I can tell you I have a child with a neuro disability and it's not subtle. Don't throw that term around.

I have a kid with this profile, and it is closely linked to ADHD, which my DS has. So who do we tell that he is 2e/ has SNs? People who need to know. His school (he's under a 504), close family members, definitely sleep away camp (he takes medication). Even his after school babysitter, so she understands how to deal with homework and behavioral issues as they arise. It's on any extracurricular forms that ask about medical issues and/or medication. Maybe not my next door neighbor, but DS comes off as very bright, but also a bit "off" socially, so I'm sure they wouldn't be surprised if we told them. And it's not "holding out" anything. Extensive neuropsych testing tells us that he DOES have this IQ profile and DOES have serious ADHD.

I think you sidestepped the question very conveniently.

How so, exactly?? PP asked who we told about DSs special needs, and I gave a pretty comprehensive list (as in yes, we tell summer camp, grandparents, the school etc. I guess I didn't answer the pediatrician question, but that is also a yes since he is ON MEDS. And also affirmed, that for my DC at least, it is pretty obvious that he has some type of psych or neuro issues. And I think it's terrible to come on to a SN forum, and tell on group of parents that their kids are not SN "enough," so their questions or concerns aren't welcome. The first semester of MS, before we has a good diagnosis and some type of treatment plan, I would sit in our bedroom and sob after DS finally went to bed. Who are you to pass ju

[Anonymous]

Pass judgment and say me feeling weren't legitimate or that things weren't bad "rough" in our house. You have no idea. Just like you have no idea how terrified I am by the transitions to HS or college, because I don't know if DS can handle them. This isn't some sort of "who has it worst" contest.

[Anonymous]

^^"bad enough"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Look, you are pretty tone deaf not to realize how this comes off. You have an academically successful child going to a good college who will be self supporting and have normal chances of a social life. I get that he may not have lived up to your expectations (and also that he may have struggled) but can't you see how very very different your story is than many on here who wonder if their children will ever be independent, able to function in the work force, and be accepted socially?

NP here. PP, It sounds as if you have a child with a disability of some kind -- but not the disability that is the topic of this thread, is that correct? Specifically, you do not have a child who is not what is colloquially called "2e." Your child has a completely different disability.

Can you please then explain why you clicked on THIS thread, you are participating in THIS thread, and you are attempting to police the discussion about an actual neurological disability that does not affect your life?

Where do you get off announcing that there now is a ranking of neurological disabilities? And that you have been appointed the master of deciding which SN parents get air time to discuss their concerns and which SN parents do not

You don't get to decide which kids do not make the cut, based on your omniscient knowledge of "who has it the worst." And it is emphatically not "tone deaf" to discuss the neurological deficiencies and struggles of a child simply because some other child with a different diagnosis will not have the same options in life.

New poster: question for you. In what other arenas do you hold out you child as having a neurological disability? To his pediatrician? His summer camp? His college? His grandparents? Or is this simply a label that you can utilize when it works to get something you need for him?
Because I can tell you I have a child with a neuro disability and it's not subtle. Don't throw that term around.

An answer for you: I share this information with adults who need to know, on a real-time basis. So yes, to his pediatrician and now it's in his chart for his new PCP. I had a private meeting with his dentist before his first-ever visit to that dentist. Basic summer camp where they run around in a creek? No. Grandparents? Yes of course. We are close and talk about the boy all the time.

Because, I can tell YOU that I, too, have a child with a neuro disability and it's apparent in circumstances where processing speed comes into play. Some of these circumstances are high stakes, such as driving a 3,000 lb hunk of steel down the Beltway at 60 m.p.h. Some situations don't matter in the scheme of things (fast-moving sports, for example.).

I'm a psych nurse. Please do not try to school me on the range of brain differences, and please do not claim that you are qualified to rank and sort them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pass judgment and say me feeling weren't legitimate or that things weren't bad "rough" in our house. You have no idea. Just like you have no idea how terrified I am by the transitions to HS or college, because I don't know if DS can handle them. This isn't some sort of "who has it worst" contest.

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[Anonymous]

I only posted on the 1st page, so mostly new...

My son, who fits this profile, has a bunch of diagnoses so I guess he's "SN enough" for this board. The hardest part isn't his LD, though, is knowing it's kids like him who are at high risk for drug use, criminal behavior, and worse if they don't get the proper supports in their early education. A big part of that is how he's bright enough to know what he SHOULD be able to do and how he internalizes his failure when he can't.

[Anonymous]

NP here:

I too am offended by this poster who seems to think this disability is all about getting some kind of academic advantage. I appreciate where you are coming from. I have a nephew with severe PDD/on the spectrum who will never be able to live on his own. But you just don't seem willing to understand a different disability. And this forum is not just for folks with kids such as your child. My son is 2e, plus ADHD and APD. What would you know of his struggle and grief, his profound anger and anxiety?

My child last year made a (fortunately unsuccessful) suicide attempt. How would you feel about getting 90s on tests yet being failed by teachers - with 5 Fs because you could not keep up the amount of work expected? To have the sped coordinator at school tell a 14 yo that he's lazy and needs to work harder? To watch a smart kid take an hour to write 7 or 8 sentences because organizing written language is excruciating? What would you know about trying to fit a child like this into a regular school system and the crappy things said to him and to you as the parent? DS will find a way to be successful someday, but do you realize how trapped this kid feels because so many jobs require quick problem solving and he can't do that?

If you think there needs to be a board that only supports parents with kids who are "disabled enough" in your opinion, go start one. Otherwise, if you comment on this thread again with your uninformed and insulting opinions about the very real issues that others grapple with, I will report you.

For others struggling with this, I hope this helps: https://www.sde.idaho.gov/site/gifted_talented/twice-exceptional/docs/2E%20Manual.pdf

[Anonymous]

Average processing speed by itself is not a disability.

This thread reminds me of another thread on DC Public Schools and Charters about a parent with a "gifted" child who wanted an IEP... But at least they did not post on SNs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Average processing speed by itself is not a disability.

This thread reminds me of another thread on DC Public Schools and Charters about a parent with a "gifted" child who wanted an IEP... But at least they did not post on SNs.

A few states actually do allow IEPs for gifted children without LDs - Florida is one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Average processing speed by itself is not a disability.

This thread reminds me of another thread on DC Public Schools and Charters about a parent with a "gifted" child who wanted an IEP... But at least they did not post on SNs.

A few states actually do allow IEPs for gifted children without LDs - Florida is one.

PA too but not DC, VA or MD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Look, you are pretty tone deaf not to realize how this comes off. You have an academically successful child going to a good college who will be self supporting and have normal chances of a social life. I get that he may not have lived up to your expectations (and also that he may have struggled) but can't you see how very very different your story is than many on here who wonder if their children will ever be independent, able to function in the work force, and be accepted socially?

NP here. PP, It sounds as if you have a child with a disability of some kind -- but not the disability that is the topic of this thread, is that correct? Specifically, you do not have a child who is not what is colloquially called "2e." Your child has a completely different disability.

Can you please then explain why you clicked on THIS thread, you are participating in THIS thread, and you are attempting to police the discussion about an actual neurological disability that does not affect your life?

Where do you get off announcing that there now is a ranking of neurological disabilities? And that you have been appointed the master of deciding which SN parents get air time to discuss their concerns and which SN parents do not

You don't get to decide which kids do not make the cut, based on your omniscient knowledge of "who has it the worst." And it is emphatically not "tone deaf" to discuss the neurological deficiencies and struggles of a child simply because some other child with a different diagnosis will not have the same options in life.

If you don't get that there actually is a ranking of neurological disabilities then there is nothing much to say. We are facing something that could mean a lot, lot more than some homework frustration for an otherwise normal child. Also I think that 2e means an actual diagnosed disability, whereas this parent has acknowledged that there isn't even an ADHD diagnosis here. So so so different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here:

I too am offended by this poster who seems to think this disability is all about getting some kind of academic advantage. I appreciate where you are coming from. I have a nephew with severe PDD/on the spectrum who will never be able to live on his own. But you just don't seem willing to understand a different disability. And this forum is not just for folks with kids such as your child. My son is 2e, plus ADHD and APD. What would you know of his struggle and grief, his profound anger and anxiety?

My child last year made a (fortunately unsuccessful) suicide attempt. How would you feel about getting 90s on tests yet being failed by teachers - with 5 Fs because you could not keep up the amount of work expected? To have the sped coordinator at school tell a 14 yo that he's lazy and needs to work harder? To watch a smart kid take an hour to write 7 or 8 sentences because organizing written language is excruciating? What would you know about trying to fit a child like this into a regular school system and the crappy things said to him and to you as the parent? DS will find a way to be successful someday, but do you realize how trapped this kid feels because so many jobs require quick problem solving and he can't do that?

If you think there needs to be a board that only supports parents with kids who are "disabled enough" in your opinion, go start one. Otherwise, if you comment on this thread again with your uninformed and insulting opinions about the very real issues that others grapple with, I will report you.

For others struggling with this, I hope this helps: https://www.sde.idaho.gov/site/gifted_talented/twice-exceptional/docs/2E%20Manual.pdf

I am sorry about your suicidal child. But "average processing speed" is not a special need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NP here:

I too am offended by this poster who seems to think this disability is all about getting some kind of academic advantage. I appreciate where you are coming from. I have a nephew with severe PDD/on the spectrum who will never be able to live on his own. But you just don't seem willing to understand a different disability. And this forum is not just for folks with kids such as your child. My son is 2e, plus ADHD and APD. What would you know of his struggle and grief, his profound anger and anxiety?

My child last year made a (fortunately unsuccessful) suicide attempt. How would you feel about getting 90s on tests yet being failed by teachers - with 5 Fs because you could not keep up the amount of work expected? To have the sped coordinator at school tell a 14 yo that he's lazy and needs to work harder? To watch a smart kid take an hour to write 7 or 8 sentences because organizing written language is excruciating? What would you know about trying to fit a child like this into a regular school system and the crappy things said to him and to you as the parent? DS will find a way to be successful someday, but do you realize how trapped this kid feels because so many jobs require quick problem solving and he can't do that?

If you think there needs to be a board that only supports parents with kids who are "disabled enough" in your opinion, go start one. Otherwise, if you comment on this thread again with your uninformed and insulting opinions about the very real issues that others grapple with, I will report you.

For others struggling with this, I hope this helps: https://www.sde.idaho.gov/site/gifted_talented/twice-exceptional/docs/2E%20Manual.pdf

I am sorry about your suicidal child. But "average processing speed" is not a special need.

No one is talking about average processing speed by itself.

Average processing speed in combination with very high verbal and analytical scores often if not most of the time constitutes a dx'd learning disability and therefore is a special need. My son fits this profile and has a dx'd LD for which he has a 504 plan at his MCPS high school. His working memory is below average and his executive function is terrible. He is seeing a psychiatrist for anxiety and depression. He is on Focalin. His grades are so-so.

He is by definition special needs.

You are by definition an ass.