Delayed vax schedule and preschool forms?

[Anonymous]

This is stupid.

BILLIONS of vaccines given vs. a couple of loud-mouthed internet quacks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just signed the religious waiver and it was no big deal but we were spacing them out over a few months, not years.

So you signed the religious waiver even though you were getting most vaccines, just not on the schedule?

We got all the vaccines and are now up to date - the only one I significantly delayed was the chicken pox and since we had no exposure and I was not going to a Pox party, we did that one a few years later (before 5). I preferred the natural immunity but that's very hard now with the shot available.


Technically most would view us on schedule. But, we were not because we would limit two shots per visit and spread them out every 6-8 weeks (doctors said that spread/picked what shots - we did not walk in with our own schedule). Last shot round we needed 5 or 6 shots - I forget. We have a October birthday, so we have to do the physical in August and go back in October if anything else is needed, like shots. So, if an auditor comes and we only have 2 out of the 6 missing shots, the school can receive an inspection violation as the inspector does not care why or what the plan is, they just care its done. If we sign the waiver, it keeps the school from failing the inspection because of our shot records. We just keep bringing them updated shot records every time we get shots and when we are caught up, that overrides the waiver. The last two schools (current and previous) had no issue with us doing it given our reasons why. We were at one school prior that I was not happy with and they gave me a hard time about it and I basically had to tell them to mind their own business as it was another teacher doing paperwork (thankfully not my child's) and the director had previously ok'ed it. (my kid was 2, so you aren't talking a huge amount missing).

We only significantly delayed one shot - the Chicken Pox but eventually got that one too.

We had really bad fevering and other issues that required a hospital stay so after that, slowing them down was our only option and that worked for us.

In other words- the dr wouldn't exempt you because the issues weren't "real" so you lied to get your way. Great example, mom!!!!!

[Anonymous]

I am so sick of the "doing what is best for my child" excuse. You have no flipping idea what is best for your child -- you just like the idea of having a child whose needs are unique.

I think vaccination has a branding issue. Trying to convince today's mommies that they're supposed to contribute to "herd immunity" is bound to fail. They want -- demand -- that their snowflake be separate from the herd.

Hence, OP and her very special child's very special vaccination schedule. The rest of you have boring, average sheep for children.

Fortunately, she has experience visiting him in the hospital. Cause I have a feeling she's got a lot of that to look forward to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just signed the religious waiver and it was no big deal but we were spacing them out over a few months, not years.

So you signed a legal document falsifying information.

Awesome. Asshole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just signed the religious waiver and it was no big deal but we were spacing them out over a few months, not years.

...because you are smarter and better than EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am so sick of the "doing what is best for my child" excuse. You have no flipping idea what is best for your child -- you just like the idea of having a child whose needs are unique.

I think vaccination has a branding issue. Trying to convince today's mommies that they're supposed to contribute to "herd immunity" is bound to fail. They want -- demand -- that their snowflake be separate from the herd.

Hence, OP and her very special child's very special vaccination schedule. The rest of you have boring, average sheep for children.

Fortunately, she has experience visiting him in the hospital. Cause I have a feeling she's got a lot of that to look forward to.

I'm thrilled my boring, average vaccinated child is protected. My mother still suffers the side effects from rubella. Anyone who does not get their kid vaccinated is a total moron.

[Anonymous]

When did the pro-vaxers become as irate and irrational as the anti-vaxers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We just signed the religious waiver and it was no big deal but we were spacing them out over a few months, not years.

Do you lie on your taxes too? Do you park in the handicap spot even though you "technically" only have a sprained ankle? What other lies do you tell to fit your needs?

Of all the anti-vaxers, you are really the worst. At least the religious nuts believe their reasons. You are just a liar and a fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did the pro-vaxers become as irate and irrational as the anti-vaxers?

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When the anti-vaxer crazy brought back deadly illnesses that threaten our children. Harm your own kids, but when you threaten the heard immunity with your particular brand of crazy, it's time to fight back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When did the pro-vaxers become as irate and irrational as the anti-vaxers?

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When the anti-vaxer crazy brought back deadly illnesses that threaten our children. Harm your own kids, but when you threaten the heard immunity with your particular brand of crazy, it's time to fight back.

+100000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Have you asked all the parents, grandparents, and caretakers of the other kids at preschool who will volunteering (hello shared bathroom) and sending In snacks what their Hep A and Hep B status is?

And you're worried about Hep B because of all the needle-sharing going on in preschool? The unprotected sex?

Are you thinking Hep C sweetie?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP,

Ignore the ignorant and rabid pro-CDC schedule vaxxers on this list.

Both my pediatrician and my GP recommended spreading out of vaccines. I have a background in the biological sciences and a family history of autoimmune disorders. I did extensive research on the various vaccines on the CDC's list, and decided to delay all vaccinations until after age 2 (when myelination is almost complete and there is a more effective blood-brain barrier), with live vaccines delayed until age 4.5. By age 5, our kids were all caught up on vaccines, but we delayed in order to avoid any autoimmune reactions. Kids do sometimes have severe, violent, and life-threatening reactions to vaccines, which is why the federal liability limit for vaccine injury is limited to $100,000.

In any case, OP, I would strongly advise you NOT report on vaccines obtained if you are going to use a religious exemption. Why? Because reporting some vaccinations can be the basis for challenging your religious exemption. We simply submitted the exemption. When you do that, no reporting is required because the assumption is that no vaccination is being done. Once our children were up-to-date on their vaccines, we submitted the full record.

Hope this helps.

OP here. Thanks for your response. I appreciate your thoughts on the exemption. Just curious, did you decide not to do any particular vaccines at all? We are not doing Hep A and are waiting on Hep B until teenage years, pediatrician was fully in agreement on that. That's interesting that you waited until 2 to start any. We started at 2 months but spaced them out.

OP, we skipped rotovirus, HiB, and PCV, after discussion with our ped. The only vaccine we gave at age 2 was DTAP, whose safety record is fairly strong (it's also not a live virus). We then waited until 4.5 to do MMR, Polio, Varicella, Hep A and Hep B, and spaced them as far apart as possible.

As I stated previously, we waited until 2 to make sure that the blood-brain barrier was largely established. Among some doctors who have not bought or brainwashed by the pharma/medical industry, there are concerns about vaccines grown in cell substrate derived from animals or fetal bovine serum. Animal tissue have been identified to carry prions, an infections agent about which we know very little. However, there is consensus that prions cause Creuzfeldt-Jakob disease -- otherwise known as mad cow disease.

While the medical industry claims that it's not possible for prions to replicate in cell cultures, only in mammalian brains, it's possible for prions to be introduced into the bloodstream through inoculation into muscle and skin tissue. What little we know suggests that prions primarily cause illnesses affected the brain and nervous system. The blood-brain barrier created through myelination is very effective in preventing most toxins and foreign substances out of the nervous system, including (it's theorized) prions, which is why we waited until it was largely established.

One theory is that it's possible that vaccines are not fully "purified" of prions and that when introduced to into the bodies of some sensitive children before the blood-brain barrier is established, they can cause neurological and immune reactions whose symptoms may be delayed, making it more difficult to tie them to a specific vaccine. In cows, symptoms of CJD can appear 2-8 years AFTER infection. Many of the viruses used in vaccines are grown on cell substrate, using animal cells (eurkaryotic cells).

My caution around vaccine arises from my knowledge that the medical community is incredibly arrogant and frequently assumes certainty when there is none. It is also punishes any members of its profession that dares to present evidence that's not current orthodoxy. Remember when the first medical scientists suggested that heart disease could be caused or exacerbated by inflammation caused by poor oral hygiene? They were laughed at initially, but it's become increasingly clear that there is a link between low-level inflammation and heart disease.

There are also fewer safeguards given the FDA has lost almost all independent ability to verify food and drug safety, most often relying on data provided by drug manufacturers themselves. That's why so many drugs that are introduced into the market are then recalled because they're shown to have major side effects, like death. The CDC is also struggling for funding and has been greatly weakened in the last 20 years.

Here's an excerpt from an article on prions. The full article can be read here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3342938/

Usefulness of PrPC-Deficient in Production of Biologicals

Biologicals are accounting for an ever increasing fraction of all therapeutics—yet all eukaryotically produced biologicals bear a certain risk of prion contamination, even when generated in cell lines. . The transmission of vCJD through blood and even purified blood products has dramatically highlighted the seriousness of this threat. Therefore, PrPC-deficient farm animals (cattle and goats) are well positioned for the production of prion-free therapeutics and will therefore make an important contribution towards eliminating the risk of prions contamination in biologicals.

[Anonymous]

I do not want my infant around your unvaccinated children. How can I ensure that we don't come into contact with you and yours until my children have received the required vaccines?

I guess I will move to Fairfax County. They do not allow any children lacking the necessary vaccination records to attend their schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not want my infant around your unvaccinated children. How can I ensure that we don't come into contact with you and yours until my children have received the required vaccines?

I guess I will move to Fairfax County. They do not allow any children lacking the necessary vaccination records to attend their schools.

So move. No one will miss you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We just signed the religious waiver and it was no big deal but we were spacing them out over a few months, not years.

So you signed a legal document falsifying information.

Awesome. Asshole.

It is not lying. Everyone has their own beliefs and has to do what is best for their kids. It is easy to say they are safe when your child is not the one hospitalized with a reaction.