Is People Magazine glorifying obesity or celebrating diversity?

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Anonymous wrote:Healthcare person here just to make the PP who is losing her mind feel better. DM II is predominantly (mean majority of the cases) lifestyle related and the uptick of DM II especially in obese children is especially alarming.
Take a breath, you are correct.

And it is also true that two people can eat the same diet and have vastly different results. You are perpetuating the myth that fat people have worse lifestyles than thin people. I do not think that is necessarily true. At all.

More activity plus building of muscle mass plus reduction of calories plus portion control will cause a person to lose weight. Yes two people with two different metabolisms can eat the same diet and have different results. If a fat person exercises and watches their carbohydrate/sugar intake and practices portion control, they will lose weight. Also your argument has a couple of flaws. Many obese people got that way because they have an addiction to food/sugar and it is a vicious cycle of lowering metabolism and less and less activity as they gain. A thin person can definitely have an unhealthy lifestyle, no one has said that, but you are using that as an excuse for obesity.

Some people can drink alcohol and take it or leave it, some have a higher tolerance. Some people can have a sip and will then spiral and go on a bender. Two people drinking alcohol, two outcomes. We wouldn't say an alcoholic is healthy just because someone else is a social drinker.

I have been fighting this fight for a while now. I know all too well about diet/exercise/counting carbs/not eating white foods....blah, blah, blah. Over the years my body is becoming less efficient even with these attempts. If I cut out "enough" food I will end up without enough nutrients....I exercise more regularly than most of the thin people I know. So no guilt. I actually feel pretty good even with the excess weight. I don't care if you don't get it, I know that there are lots of folks out there that do.

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OP here, yes I guess I should have expected this instead of thinking we could debate whether or not this is the same as glorifying "heroine chic" and impressionable young minds.

I am all in favor of heroine chic.

Here are some of my chic heroines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_K._Le_Guin#/media/File:UrsulaLeGuin.01.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Paul#/media/File:Alice_Paul1915.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes_Sosa#/media/File:Mercedes_Sosa,_by_Annemarie_Heinrich.jpg

There is always a smartass in the bunch that just cannot ignore a typo or an autocorrect.

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Anonymous wrote:It's healthy in the sense that Tess accepts herself and is happy. That is a good message to send to girls. Self acceptance is key to moving forward. Respect others even if they look differently than you do.

It's a horrible message to send to anyone.

Obesity can be corrected.

And I am supposed to "accept myself" if I'm a horrible, mean person who does harm to those around me?

Oh for f sake how does an obese person cause harm to anyone around her? You are and asshole looking for excuses to blame people for your unhappiness.

I'm not talking about obese people in general, honey. I'm refuting the ridiculous statement that blind "self-acceptance" is "key to moving forward." Please put down the new-age self help books, clean up your language a little bit and try to move out of mommy and daddy's basement by the time you turn 30.

I think you should eat something. Would make you a lot less bitchy.

I'm going to. I just made the most fabulous rhubarb pie....

NP
Hey I always do a blueberry/strawberry/rhubarb pie for memorial day!

On topic, I think we are going to have to get used to obesity acceptance, there are just too many fat people in America now and they will want their special snowflake feelings to be acknowledged.

Enjoy your diabetes, cancer and infertility - but remember you accepted being obese. Just like a smoker knows what they are getting into.

Ha. I suffer from none of the above. And I can not stand rhubarb pie, so eat up!

You will eventually. Obesity always catches up.

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The discussion point, which has obviously gone over your head, is whether or not People magazine (or any other pub for that matter) should be glorifying obesity. My answer to that is no. And by putting Tess on the cover, and giving her message of "fat acceptance" legs, they are doing that in some small fashion.

Putting a fat person on the cover "glorifies" obesity?

Did putting Philip Seymour Hoffman on the cover glorify dying from a drug overdose?

Yes it would, if the story was championing for "drug overdose" acceptance.

/whisper your analogy is flawed

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think glorifying morbidly obese is any better than glorifying super skinny. Neither is healthy. But I also don't believe in tearing people down because of their weight. Tess seems like a wonderful person and if she is happy, who am I to judge.

Her doctor should be judging her. Just because she "seems like a wonderful person" and "says" she is happy, does not make her a hero.

I read once where she said she thought no one could ever love her because she was fat and she had accepted that until she met her fiance Nick. That is a terrible thing to accept about yourself, especially because she has control over her body and can do something about it. Makes me sad.

What? That someone can love you unconditionally because they see something special about the person you are?

She was feeling unlovable because people like you were screaming that being fat made her worthless. But I guess Nick never got your message and now Tess has chosen to ignore you and live her life.

There was a time when I thought like you. And you know what happened to me? I gained weight. And you know what? I'm still me. The people who love ME are still by my side. The people who liked me for what my body looked like have long since scattered.

Wow are you stupid or overly sensitive or bad at reading or what? I said it made me feel sad that she thought no one could love her and that she just had to accept that. My heart went out to her. I didn't want someone else just to accept their fate because they were fat, because except in the most extenuating circumstances you have control over doing something about it.

And you talk out of both sides of your mouth. In your double speak - she her unworthiness is controllable - she can lose weight! Eh, you have no idea how screwed up your message is.

No you are projecting. I said it made me feel sad that she felt that way. I had compassion for her. Stop trying to twist it.

You said; :That is a terrible thing to accept about yourself because you have control over your body.

I say: that is not as true as you would like it to be. All of our bodies do craptastic things to us. Your body will too one day. Maybe you won't get fat, maybe your body will have something worse.

Okay, I hope she stays fat and it causes her health to decline and maybe even causes her to have fertility issues if she wants children. Maybe she and Nick will break up and she will never find anyone again, but cool beans because she accepts it.

There, better than my saying "Wow I feel so sad for this young woman that she would feel she had to accept being alone"?

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Anonymous wrote:It's healthy in the sense that Tess accepts herself and is happy. That is a good message to send to girls. Self acceptance is key to moving forward. Respect others even if they look differently than you do.

It's a horrible message to send to anyone.

Obesity can be corrected.

And I am supposed to "accept myself" if I'm a horrible, mean person who does harm to those around me?

Oh for f sake how does an obese person cause harm to anyone around her? You are and asshole looking for excuses to blame people for your unhappiness.

I'm not talking about obese people in general, honey. I'm refuting the ridiculous statement that blind "self-acceptance" is "key to moving forward." Please put down the new-age self help books, clean up your language a little bit and try to move out of mommy and daddy's basement by the time you turn 30.

I think you should eat something. Would make you a lot less bitchy.

I'm going to. I just made the most fabulous rhubarb pie....

NP
Hey I always do a blueberry/strawberry/rhubarb pie for memorial day!

On topic, I think we are going to have to get used to obesity acceptance, there are just too many fat people in America now and they will want their special snowflake feelings to be acknowledged.

Enjoy your diabetes, cancer and infertility - but remember you accepted being obese. Just like a smoker knows what they are getting into.

Ha. I suffer from none of the above. And I can not stand rhubarb pie, so eat up!

You will eventually. Obesity always catches up.

No shit Sherlock. Unfortunately on me Obesity is a symptom of an underlying disease process. It isn't instantly fatal by any stretch, but I will most likely not die thin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Healthcare person here just to make the PP who is losing her mind feel better. DM II is predominantly (mean majority of the cases) lifestyle related and the uptick of DM II especially in obese children is especially alarming.
Take a breath, you are correct.

And it is also true that two people can eat the same diet and have vastly different results. You are perpetuating the myth that fat people have worse lifestyles than thin people. I do not think that is necessarily true. At all.

More activity plus building of muscle mass plus reduction of calories plus portion control will cause a person to lose weight. Yes two people with two different metabolisms can eat the same diet and have different results. If a fat person exercises and watches their carbohydrate/sugar intake and practices portion control, they will lose weight. Also your argument has a couple of flaws. Many obese people got that way because they have an addiction to food/sugar and it is a vicious cycle of lowering metabolism and less and less activity as they gain. A thin person can definitely have an unhealthy lifestyle, no one has said that, but you are using that as an excuse for obesity.

Some people can drink alcohol and take it or leave it, some have a higher tolerance. Some people can have a sip and will then spiral and go on a bender. Two people drinking alcohol, two outcomes. We wouldn't say an alcoholic is healthy just because someone else is a social drinker.

I have been fighting this fight for a while now. I know all too well about diet/exercise/counting carbs/not eating white foods....blah, blah, blah. Over the years my body is becoming less efficient even with these attempts. If I cut out "enough" food I will end up without enough nutrients....I exercise more regularly than most of the thin people I know. So no guilt. I actually feel pretty good even with the excess weight. I don't care if you don't get it, I know that there are lots of folks out there that do.

Are you "overweight" or obese? Because we are talking about obesity. If you are obese and you have not lost weight you should see a doctor and nutritionist. Otherwise, I call bullshit for the sake of arguemenyt.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think glorifying morbidly obese is any better than glorifying super skinny. Neither is healthy. But I also don't believe in tearing people down because of their weight. Tess seems like a wonderful person and if she is happy, who am I to judge.

Her doctor should be judging her. Just because she "seems like a wonderful person" and "says" she is happy, does not make her a hero.

I read once where she said she thought no one could ever love her because she was fat and she had accepted that until she met her fiance Nick. That is a terrible thing to accept about yourself, especially because she has control over her body and can do something about it. Makes me sad.

What? That someone can love you unconditionally because they see something special about the person you are?

She was feeling unlovable because people like you were screaming that being fat made her worthless. But I guess Nick never got your message and now Tess has chosen to ignore you and live her life.

There was a time when I thought like you. And you know what happened to me? I gained weight. And you know what? I'm still me. The people who love ME are still by my side. The people who liked me for what my body looked like have long since scattered.

Wow are you stupid or overly sensitive or bad at reading or what? I said it made me feel sad that she thought no one could love her and that she just had to accept that. My heart went out to her. I didn't want someone else just to accept their fate because they were fat, because except in the most extenuating circumstances you have control over doing something about it.

And you talk out of both sides of your mouth. In your double speak - she her unworthiness is controllable - she can lose weight! Eh, you have no idea how screwed up your message is.

No you are projecting. I said it made me feel sad that she felt that way. I had compassion for her. Stop trying to twist it.

You said; :That is a terrible thing to accept about yourself because you have control over your body.

I say: that is not as true as you would like it to be. All of our bodies do craptastic things to us. Your body will too one day. Maybe you won't get fat, maybe your body will have something worse.

Okay, I hope she stays fat and it causes her health to decline and maybe even causes her to have fertility issues if she wants children. Maybe she and Nick will break up and she will never find anyone again, but cool beans because she accepts it.

There, better than my saying "Wow I feel so sad for this young woman that she would feel she had to accept being alone"?

And in your little version of the world skinny people never face infertility and they never have health problems. You got some learning to do girl. We ALL have shit happen to us. ALL of us.

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Anonymous wrote:It's healthy in the sense that Tess accepts herself and is happy. That is a good message to send to girls. Self acceptance is key to moving forward. Respect others even if they look differently than you do.

It's a horrible message to send to anyone.

Obesity can be corrected.

And I am supposed to "accept myself" if I'm a horrible, mean person who does harm to those around me?

Oh for f sake how does an obese person cause harm to anyone around her? You are and asshole looking for excuses to blame people for your unhappiness.

I'm not talking about obese people in general, honey. I'm refuting the ridiculous statement that blind "self-acceptance" is "key to moving forward." Please put down the new-age self help books, clean up your language a little bit and try to move out of mommy and daddy's basement by the time you turn 30.

I think you should eat something. Would make you a lot less bitchy.

I'm going to. I just made the most fabulous rhubarb pie....

NP
Hey I always do a blueberry/strawberry/rhubarb pie for memorial day!

On topic, I think we are going to have to get used to obesity acceptance, there are just too many fat people in America now and they will want their special snowflake feelings to be acknowledged.

Enjoy your diabetes, cancer and infertility - but remember you accepted being obese. Just like a smoker knows what they are getting into.

Ha. I suffer from none of the above. And I can not stand rhubarb pie, so eat up!

You will eventually. Obesity always catches up.

No shit Sherlock. Unfortunately on me Obesity is a symptom of an underlying disease process. It isn't instantly fatal by any stretch, but I will most likely not die thin.

Yes being obese is always caused by some medical issue out of your control. - Dr. McDonalds

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Okay, I hope she stays fat and it causes her health to decline and maybe even causes her to have fertility issues if she wants children. Maybe she and Nick will break up and she will never find anyone again, but cool beans because she accepts it.

There, better than my saying "Wow I feel so sad for this young woman that she would feel she had to accept being alone"?

And in your little version of the world skinny people never face infertility and they never have health problems. You got some learning to do girl. We ALL have shit happen to us. ALL of us.

I could hear the wooshing sound from here as that went over your head.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Healthcare person here just to make the PP who is losing her mind feel better. DM II is predominantly (mean majority of the cases) lifestyle related and the uptick of DM II especially in obese children is especially alarming.
Take a breath, you are correct.

And it is also true that two people can eat the same diet and have vastly different results. You are perpetuating the myth that fat people have worse lifestyles than thin people. I do not think that is necessarily true. At all.

More activity plus building of muscle mass plus reduction of calories plus portion control will cause a person to lose weight. Yes two people with two different metabolisms can eat the same diet and have different results. If a fat person exercises and watches their carbohydrate/sugar intake and practices portion control, they will lose weight. Also your argument has a couple of flaws. Many obese people got that way because they have an addiction to food/sugar and it is a vicious cycle of lowering metabolism and less and less activity as they gain. A thin person can definitely have an unhealthy lifestyle, no one has said that, but you are using that as an excuse for obesity.

Some people can drink alcohol and take it or leave it, some have a higher tolerance. Some people can have a sip and will then spiral and go on a bender. Two people drinking alcohol, two outcomes. We wouldn't say an alcoholic is healthy just because someone else is a social drinker.

I have been fighting this fight for a while now. I know all too well about diet/exercise/counting carbs/not eating white foods....blah, blah, blah. Over the years my body is becoming less efficient even with these attempts. If I cut out "enough" food I will end up without enough nutrients....I exercise more regularly than most of the thin people I know. So no guilt. I actually feel pretty good even with the excess weight. I don't care if you don't get it, I know that there are lots of folks out there that do.

Are you "overweight" or obese? Because we are talking about obesity. If you are obese and you have not lost weight you should see a doctor and nutritionist. Otherwise, I call bullshit for the sake of arguemenyt.

Yes. I cross back and forth between overweight and obese A LOT. When I am a dietary/exercise saint I am overweight. When I slip up and eat like everyone else I wind up obese.

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Okay, I hope she stays fat and it causes her health to decline and maybe even causes her to have fertility issues if she wants children. Maybe she and Nick will break up and she will never find anyone again, but cool beans because she accepts it.

There, better than my saying "Wow I feel so sad for this young woman that she would feel she had to accept being alone"?

And in your little version of the world skinny people never face infertility and they never have health problems. You got some learning to do girl. We ALL have shit happen to us. ALL of us.

I could hear the wooshing sound from here as that went over your head.

No wooshing girlfriend. The assumption is that Tess can 100% control her weight and I call Bullsheet on that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's healthy in the sense that Tess accepts herself and is happy. That is a good message to send to girls. Self acceptance is key to moving forward. Respect others even if they look differently than you do.

It's a horrible message to send to anyone.

Obesity can be corrected.

And I am supposed to "accept myself" if I'm a horrible, mean person who does harm to those around me?

Oh for f sake how does an obese person cause harm to anyone around her? You are and asshole looking for excuses to blame people for your unhappiness.

I'm not talking about obese people in general, honey. I'm refuting the ridiculous statement that blind "self-acceptance" is "key to moving forward." Please put down the new-age self help books, clean up your language a little bit and try to move out of mommy and daddy's basement by the time you turn 30.

I think you should eat something. Would make you a lot less bitchy.

I'm going to. I just made the most fabulous rhubarb pie....

NP
Hey I always do a blueberry/strawberry/rhubarb pie for memorial day!

On topic, I think we are going to have to get used to obesity acceptance, there are just too many fat people in America now and they will want their special snowflake feelings to be acknowledged.

Enjoy your diabetes, cancer and infertility - but remember you accepted being obese. Just like a smoker knows what they are getting into.

Ha. I suffer from none of the above. And I can not stand rhubarb pie, so eat up!

You will eventually. Obesity always catches up.

No shit Sherlock. Unfortunately on me Obesity is a symptom of an underlying disease process. It isn't instantly fatal by any stretch, but I will most likely not die thin.

Yes being obese is always caused by some medical issue out of your control. - Dr. McDonalds

In many cases that is the case.

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Why is it so important to you normal weight people to prove to us fat ones that we are so wrong? I mean what's your end game? Because I seriously doubt it's anything other than proving how much better you are.