Do atheists have souls?

[Muslima]

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Muslima wrote:

Actually, atheists are less than nothing since they waste resources and produce fecal matter. A rock is much cleaner and harmonious with the universe.

You could say the same for believers. wasting resources and producing fecal matter are characteristics of all animals, irrespective of their religious beliefs. I suppose souls in heaven don't have to worry about these things, but there's nothing in the bible about it, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see

No such a thing in heaven according to the Islamic belief. The prophet SAW said:

‘’..They will not urinate, excrete, blow their noses nor, spit. Their combs will be (made) of Gold and they will sweat musk’’ (Muslim)

The man replied ’Oh Muhammad, Where will they excrete after that (after eating/drinking)?’. The prophet SAW replied ‘They will sweat and their sweat will be musk’. (Ahmad)

Well, that settles it for Muslims, but it doesn't apply to Christians, It's my understanding that souls -- which are what goes to heaven, are entirely different from bodies and don't do need to eat or excrete. However, both Jesus and Mary ascended bodily into heaven, so I don't know that the deal is for them -- maybe the muslim way -- but you never hear anything about it

I see. For us, the belief is that bodies go to heaven but not as we know them now, they are different bodies ( never get sick or tired ect )

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Christ said " what is good? No one is good except the father ."

Christians do not believe they are good. They believe they are forgiven and saved by grace.

My children are good.

I don't need a god to tell me that I'm wrong in thinking that.

My children are good and kind and loving.

BS. Children are self centered . When is the last time they gave their brand new toys to a poor kid?

It is not self centered to provide for your own children and for you and your family to enjoy the fruits of your own labor. Charity is a kindness and it makes us feel good to be kind and to help others in need. I think it's wrong to suggest that the pp's kids are self centered (bad) for not giving away their Christmas presents to other kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well. I'm an atheist and I feel like I have a soul, but I guess I don't know exactly what a soul is. Most of my family are atheists. We all give back to our communities a lot and help people in need either through our careers or voluntarily. Does that mean we have souls and will be saved if we're wrong!!!

No. You have to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior in order to be saved and be granted access to the Kingdom of Heaven. You are a sinner, for we are all sinners. Repent.

that is fucked up, and I'm a Christian.

In what way are you a Christian, swearing like that and swearing like that while you are denying the essential tenets of Christianity?

NP, there is more than one way to be a Christian.

Uh, not really. Do tell, though.

NP but I will bite. There are lots of different interpretations of Christianity. Is that not apparent to you? Views on Christianity are about as wide as you can make them. I would say basic tenet is only that you believe that Jesus Christ was the son of god and that you basically strive to follow the teachings of Christ as best you understand them. What those teachings are is open to interpretation. I personally believe that it is just to try to be a good person, try to forgive, try to be kind. I don't take the central message as one of salvation if I believe because to me trying to be more Christ-like in ones actions is much more important that objectively expressing my beliefs or judging those that don't believe. I am supposed to love those people too.

Yes. This.

If you've broken one commandment you have a debt you can't pay back . Humans situation is so dire, God sent his son to be tortured and killed to absorb the justice required to whitewash us and make us cohabit able with pure and just love in heaven.

That is Christianity .

Your version of it. Enjoy. And PP and I will enjoy ours.

[Anonymous]

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If you've broken one commandment you have a debt you can't pay back . Humans situation is so dire, God sent his son to be tortured and killed to absorb the justice required to whitewash us and make us cohabit able with pure and just love in heaven.

That is Christianity .

Your version of it. Enjoy. And PP and I will enjoy ours.



There are many versions of Christianity. The only thing they seem to share is a worship or idealization of Jesus -- either as son of God or as revered first century teacher of love and social justice. He's been popular one way or the other for over 2,000 years -- sometimes by force, sometimes by choice

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Christ said " what is good? No one is good except the father ."

Christians do not believe they are good. They believe they are forgiven and saved by grace.

My children are good.

I don't need a god to tell me that I'm wrong in thinking that.

My children are good and kind and loving.

BS. Children are self centered . When is the last time they gave their brand new toys to a poor kid?

What in the hell ever happened to Matthew 19:14?

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

My daughter gives away her items to her brother, who's younger, and to the thrift shop in our 'hood. My son always writes me cards in school, telling me how much he loves me.

-One of the atheists signing off

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Christ said " what is good? No one is good except the father ."

Christians do not believe they are good. They believe they are forgiven and saved by grace.

My children are good.

I don't need a god to tell me that I'm wrong in thinking that.

My children are good and kind and loving.

BS. Children are self centered . When is the last time they gave their brand new toys to a poor kid?

What in the hell ever happened to Matthew 19:14?

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

My daughter gives away her items to her brother, who's younger, and to the thrift shop in our 'hood. My son always writes me cards in school, telling me how much he loves me.

-One of the atheists signing off

But she is not giving her Brand New presents away to other kids so she's self centered , at least according to pp.

FWIW, I do think that God wants us to be kind and good to each other and that includes being charitable to others less fortunate. And charity is not just about money there are lots of other ways to give of yourself. Remember - we are all "less fortunate" in one way or another. It's not just about handing over $$$$ and new toys.

[Anonymous]

I don't know if I or anyone has a soul but does any major religion claim non-believers don't have souls?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^ Christ said " what is good? No one is good except the father ."

Christians do not believe they are good. They believe they are forgiven and saved by grace.

yeah, that original sin concept is hard to wrap your head around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know if I or anyone has a soul but does any major religion claim non-believers don't have souls?

I don't think so. It's the final disposition of different types of souls that is always debated. The Baptist who says the Catholic is going to hell, for example.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone has a soul. And I also don't believe atheists, or anyone else, is going to hell.

So an empty hell, or no hell at all?

I don't believe in hell at all. Of all religious tenets, the concept of hell as a place is the one that should be outright rejected. There is no physical hell. It's a scare tactic and and it serves to make us fear death.

And you know that how? You've there and came back?

I know because people who were raised without fear of hell do not have this fear. It is taught to children and to adults who are "seeking" something.

No, my friend, you do not know! That is your belief, you have no proof or evidence for this. Your opinion is one in hundredths....

How do you know there's a god?

That's your belief, yes? You have no proof or evidence for this, correct? Your opinion is one in hundredths, right?

Yes, I'm pretty sure thats what she meant. There are many beliefs. She has one of those. And you have a different one. That's what faith is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know if I or anyone has a soul but does any major religion claim non-believers don't have souls?

I don't think so. It's the final disposition of different types of souls that is always debated. The Baptist who says the Catholic is going to hell, for example.

Thank you.

By the way, any fart poster: I doubt very much there is a supreme being but I believe imam external moral order that does not depend on opinion. Much of not all of morality can be based on the question of what leads to human flourishing. I believe my life has significance because of the love I give and receive and because of the people I help. I can argue logically for what I think is moral but I also recognize that I feel certain things are moral or immoral, just as you feel the presence of God. I respect people of faith, I just don't share that particular faith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^ Christ said " what is good? No one is good except the father ."

Christians do not believe they are good. They believe they are forgiven and saved by grace.

My children are good.

I don't need a god to tell me that I'm wrong in thinking that.

My children are good and kind and loving.

BS. Children are self centered . When is the last time they gave their brand new toys to a poor kid?

What in the hell ever happened to Matthew 19:14?

Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."

My daughter gives away her items to her brother, who's younger, and to the thrift shop in our 'hood. My son always writes me cards in school, telling me how much he loves me.

-One of the atheists signing off

But she is not giving her Brand New presents away to other kids so she's self centered , at least according to pp.

FWIW, I do think that God wants us to be kind and good to each other and that includes being charitable to others less fortunate. And charity is not just about money there are lots of other ways to give of yourself. Remember - we are all "less fortunate" in one way or another. It's not just about handing over $$$$ and new toys.

I think it's our better (or our moral) selves who want us to be kind to each other. It's hard to imagine a God who lets such awful things happen to people who also wants them to be good to each other.

[Anonymous]

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Muslima wrote:

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Muslima wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone has a soul. And I also don't believe atheists, or anyone else, is going to hell.

So an empty hell, or no hell at all?

I don't believe in hell at all. Of all religious tenets, the concept of hell as a place is the one that should be outright rejected. There is no physical hell. It's a scare tactic and and it serves to make us fear death.

And you know that how? You've there and came back?

I know because people who were raised without fear of hell do not have this fear. It is taught to children and to adults who are "seeking" something.

No, my friend, you do not know! That is your belief, you have no proof or evidence for this. Your opinion is one in hundredths....

How do you know there's a god?

That's your belief, yes? You have no proof or evidence for this, correct? Your opinion is one in hundredths, right?

Yes, I'm pretty sure thats what she meant. There are many beliefs. She has one of those. And you have a different one. That's what faith is.

It's like a world of make-believe. some people take it straight from their "holy book." Others interpret the book as it suits them, others pick and choose among beliefs that resonate with them, calling it "Christian" when it's mainly common sense and human morality. I"m happy to see people getting away from doctrine, but I doubt churches are. They will go out of business if people devise their own morality that does not involve eternal reward or punishment.

[Anonymous]

Of course atheists have souls. Every single person on this planet was created in love and has sacred worth. Some of the "Christians" posting on this thread need to spend a little more time praying/thinking/meditating on the way Jesus chose to live His life and a lot less time deciding who is and who is not worthy of God's love.

[Anonymous]

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Muslima wrote:

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Muslima wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think everyone has a soul. And I also don't believe atheists, or anyone else, is going to hell.

So an empty hell, or no hell at all?

I don't believe in hell at all. Of all religious tenets, the concept of hell as a place is the one that should be outright rejected. There is no physical hell. It's a scare tactic and and it serves to make us fear death.

And you know that how? You've there and came back?

I know because people who were raised without fear of hell do not have this fear. It is taught to children and to adults who are "seeking" something.

No, my friend, you do not know! That is your belief, you have no proof or evidence for this. Your opinion is one in hundredths....

How do you know there's a god?

That's your belief, yes? You have no proof or evidence for this, correct? Your opinion is one in hundredths, right?

Yes, I'm pretty sure thats what she meant. There are many beliefs. She has one of those. And you have a different one. That's what faith is.

It's like a world of make-believe. some people take it straight from their "holy book." Others interpret the book as it suits them, others pick and choose among beliefs that resonate with them, calling it "Christian" when it's mainly common sense and human morality. I"m happy to see people getting away from doctrine, but I doubt churches are. They will go out of business if people devise their own morality that does not involve eternal reward or punishment.

I think most religious groups are getting away from doctrine. Unfortunately MANY of them are moving toward a really terrifying conservative, highly judgmental brand of religion. Not so many moving toward more liberal practices. (Some do, like Episcopalians, but they are less than 1% of the American population and decline in numbers every year).

Everything religion offers is something humans need. But humans can meet those needs elsewhere. Religious ritual or non-religious ritual. Religious moral code or non-religious moral code. Religious sense of community or non-religious community. Religious prayer or non-religious meditation. And so on. I don't find comfort in religious practices, but many people do. I just wish they could find their comfort without tearing others down (or worse).