Why Muslims Don't Believe in Concept of Trinity
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Anonymous
Neither do most Muslims, seeing as Arabic is spoken by the minority of Muslims. |
Anonymous
| PS: And it doesn't take Muslimness to read the Quran in Arabic. Quran-reading is not a special science. It's been read by millions of Arabic-speaking non-Muslims. |
Anonymous
Thank goodness it's not 100% the word of God!!! I'm not stuck with defending God's 100% word in the Quran, about men beating their wives, or invisible pillars holding up the sky. |
Anonymous
What is this? |
Anonymous
YES!!! YES you can. It has been done. Shia Muslims pray differently. They are still Muslim. |
Anonymous
Are you trying to shift and change the subject? We are discussing Trinity. |
Anonymous
Uthman, the third caliph, prominent sahaba, married two of Muhammad's stepdaughters. Muslim explanation http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/other_books.htm "When Uthman got hold of all of the Qurans that were written in different dialects, and in some cases were altered to sound exactly like the other dialects, he ordered for them to get burnt because they did not use the proper Arabic that was revealed unto our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, and in some cases their words were different because of this dialect difference. He then compiled all of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) of the Noble Quran that were already written during the time of Prophet Muhammad in the city of Madina and formed what we call today the one true copy of the "Noble Quran". " Non-Muslim explanation http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/uthman.htm: "These early synoptic Qur’ans were not preserved. The differences between these Qur’ans led to arguments. "The Syrians," we are told, "contended with the `Iraqis, the former following the reading of Ubayy ibn Ka`b, the latter that of `Abd Allah ibn Mas'ud, each accusing the other of unbelief" (Labib as-Said, The Recited Koran: A History of the First Recorded Version, tr. B. Weis, et al., Princeton, New Jersey: The Darwin Press, 1975, p. 23) The third caliph, Uthman solved this political problem by authorising one version of the Qur’an and destroying the others. Narrated Anas bin Malik: Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people (Muslims) of Syria and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azarbaijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Syria and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. ...(Sahih al-Bukhari: vol. 6, bk. 61, no. 510) " You decide! |
Anonymous
Shia Muslims don't pray standing on their heads. The differences are slight. |
Anonymous
Even if you read and speak Arabic, its not enough. The Quran has to be studied. ISIS followers may know how to read Arabic but misinterpret the Quran or are too influenced by other factors. |
Anonymous
That's not what you said. You said - "you're not Muslim and do not know how to read the Quran in Arabic." It is entirely logical for me to point out then, that 1) most Muslims don't read Arabic either, and 2) one doesn't have to be Muslim to read Arabic. And since the world is full of scholars of Islam whoa ren't Muslim, clearly, enough non-Muslims who read Arabic have studied the Quran. Scholarship of the Quran is in no way limited to Muslims. |
Anonymous
You changed the topic. You said the Bible not being 100% God's word is "sad," which is a change if topic. I explained why I don't think it's "sad" in the least, using some examples from a scripture, the Quran, that does claim to be 100% God's word. What's "sad" is how you hate when people argue back at you. |
Anonymous
I get that while discussing the subject of trinity (& divinity), I explained the Bible has been significantly altered and now contains "add ons." Now you wish to try to show the Quran is also unreliable and provide this hadith as proof of its unreliability. But this has already been answered here: http://www.muslimdebate.org/polemics/71-why-did-uthman-burn-all-quranic-manuscripts Muslims believe the Quran is 100% the word of God. To ensure that it was never altered or changed from the language it was revealed in, hundreds of thousands of people have been memorizing it in it's Arabic language. Muslims who can't even speak Arabic have memorized the Quran in it's Arabic form! In fact, I have several cousins who have memorized the entire Quran in Arabic even though they don't speak Arabic! Here's an explanation of that hadith: "What happened was that Muslims were having differences in how they recited the Quran, in this case, it was the people of Sham (Syria), and the people of Iraq. In fact, even today, if one were to listen to the Arabic dialect of a Syrian, and that of an Iraqi, one would notice differences between the two. So one of the companions noticed this and became worried by it, specifically in regards to their differences in recitation concerning the Quran, and how one side would regard their recitation as superior to the other. So he went to Uthman and informed him of what he had seen, and had asked Uthman to do something about the issue, lest Muslims fall into the same disputes the Jews and Christians did with their own book. Uthman came up with a very good idea, to get rid of such differences, he would issue an official standardized Quran to be used and distributed to all Muslims. The official standardized Quran that Uthman gathered, were from the original Quranic manuscripts itself. During the lifetime of Abu Bakr, the first Caliph of Islam, he commissioned for the entire Quran to be collected and made into an official manuscript.." The bold face part is critical. It says the official standardized Quran that Uthman gathered WERE FROM ORIGINAL QURANIC MANUSCRIPTS. So they were not altered, not added to, nothing was removed from it. IT WAS FROM THE ORIGINAL. So you see, the Quran has never been altered. |
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Not hating at all. Please keep arguing. We were talking about trinity. You made reference to men beating wives referred to in the Quran. That belongs in another thread, not here. It's a new and different subject. This thread is about trinity. |
Anonymous
I get that you believe that, and that this is the Muslim position. Some people may interpret the events differently. That's why I posted two positions on the subject. Just as an aside, just because something hasn't been altered (if that's indeed in the case), it doesn't mean it's necessarily true. |