WotP elementary schools-- Attrition in older grades?

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Of course, you will still have the random idiot parent who will argue that Hardy has no baseball court and is thus an inferior school for her/his baseball champion kid.

Deal doesn't have a baseball court either.

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Of course, you will still have the random idiot parent who will argue that Hardy has no baseball court and is thus an inferior school for her/his baseball champion kid.

Deal doesn't have a baseball court either.

One can conclude that baseball isn't very important (or known) at Hardy!

Do any of the Hardy boosters know if Hardy has a plan to get back access to Jelleff field when the exclusive with Maret expires in a couple of years?

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Anonymous wrote:As a general rule, I find that parents who graduated from Ivy League schools, as my spouse and I did, aren't half as hung up on dispatching their little kids to them as those who didn't, and not just because they're secure in the knowledge that legacy preferences await. As an Ivy alum, you see college friends contending with the same sort of problems adults face everywhere - being unlucky in love, going bankrupt, getting fired or passed over for promotions, struggling to afford college, getting cancer etc. Somewhere along the way, you stop thinking in terms of an Ivy degree innoculating your children against life's hardships. Moreover, you think of brilliant and highly motivated grad school classmates who went to little colleges you'd never heard of. I'd be thrilled for my DCPS kids to get a great education anywhere there's one to be had.

Another ivy parent who seconds this.^

One important influence my ivy undergrad had on me was to really appreciate the importance of solid preparation. I went to a weak HS with little HW and had a rough time. Most of my peers whether from private or publics like New Trier or Wellesley high breezed through the first year. It was a mistake i am working to avoid with my kids and factored into our decision to pull the out from our wotp school at grade 4 because Hardy was the ms. We want them somewhere challenging enough to push them to develop good study habits.

If you read the Hardy thread, its boosters would tell you it is comparable to Deal.

We visited both schools and that is clearly not the case.

Maybe in a decade.

The two schools will never be the same. Hardy is a small school in the hearth of Georgetown. Deal is a huge school built in what was 30 years ago a suburb. No surprise the difference in volume and field space between the two schools. So the whole debate about the difference in the sports facilities is one of the most stupid ones I have ever read in DCUM. Of course Hardy's sport facilities are smaller than Deal, given that its school population is 1/3 of Deal's and given its location, which is in the hearth of one of the few historic districts of this country..

However when it comes to academic, the recent past of a paternalistic Principal (Pope) who had made of Hardy his personal reign , reflecting his personal views and aspirations, and attracting the students he liked (through a less than transparent application system) are over, as the more recent bad managerial moves by DCPS (two headed principal shared with Hyde...).

Hardy is now a solid school, with a solid managerial team and strong teacher body. Honor classes have been established and will be enhanced from 2014-2015. IB numbers are growing. Differential with Deal is mainly in demographics, as the number of IB is growing but is still lower than Deal's (it will take no more than a couple of years though at the present rate). This means that any same kid has the same chance of doing well or doing bad at Deal or Hardy. It really depends on who that kid is. On average , at the aggregate level, kids do better at Deal than at Hardy (as measured by DC CAS) because of the Deal families average higher SES status. As soon as the IB numbers will be aligned, the DC CAS outcomes will be too.

Of course, you will still have the random idiot parent who will argue that Hardy has no baseball court and is thus an inferior school for her/his baseball champion kid.

With the low in-bounds Hardy enrollment from the Mann and Key school districts, it is fanciful in the extreme to predict that the rates of IB enrollment at Deal and Hardy will converge within two years.

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Anonymous wrote:As a general rule, I find that parents who graduated from Ivy League schools, as my spouse and I did, aren't half as hung up on dispatching their little kids to them as those who didn't, and not just because they're secure in the knowledge that legacy preferences await. As an Ivy alum, you see college friends contending with the same sort of problems adults face everywhere - being unlucky in love, going bankrupt, getting fired or passed over for promotions, struggling to afford college, getting cancer etc. Somewhere along the way, you stop thinking in terms of an Ivy degree innoculating your children against life's hardships. Moreover, you think of brilliant and highly motivated grad school classmates who went to little colleges you'd never heard of. I'd be thrilled for my DCPS kids to get a great education anywhere there's one to be had.

Another ivy parent who seconds this.^

One important influence my ivy undergrad had on me was to really appreciate the importance of solid preparation. I went to a weak HS with little HW and had a rough time. Most of my peers whether from private or publics like New Trier or Wellesley high breezed through the first year. It was a mistake i am working to avoid with my kids and factored into our decision to pull the out from our wotp school at grade 4 because Hardy was the ms. We want them somewhere challenging enough to push them to develop good study habits.

If you read the Hardy thread, its boosters would tell you it is comparable to Deal.

We visited both schools and that is clearly not the case.

Maybe in a decade.

The two schools will never be the same. Hardy is a small school in the hearth of Georgetown. Deal is a huge school built in what was 30 years ago a suburb. No surprise the difference in volume and field space between the two schools. So the whole debate about the difference in the sports facilities is one of the most stupid ones I have ever read in DCUM. Of course Hardy's sport facilities are smaller than Deal, given that its school population is 1/3 of Deal's and given its location, which is in the hearth of one of the few historic districts of this country..

However when it comes to academic, the recent past of a paternalistic Principal (Pope) who had made of Hardy his personal reign , reflecting his personal views and aspirations, and attracting the students he liked (through a less than transparent application system) are over, as the more recent bad managerial moves by DCPS (two headed principal shared with Hyde...).

Hardy is now a solid school, with a solid managerial team and strong teacher body. Honor classes have been established and will be enhanced from 2014-2015. IB numbers are growing. Differential with Deal is mainly in demographics, as the number of IB is growing but is still lower than Deal's (it will take no more than a couple of years though at the present rate). This means that any same kid has the same chance of doing well or doing bad at Deal or Hardy. It really depends on who that kid is. On average , at the aggregate level, kids do better at Deal than at Hardy (as measured by DC CAS) because of the Deal families average higher SES status. As soon as the IB numbers will be aligned, the DC CAS outcomes will be too.

Of course, you will still have the random idiot parent who will argue that Hardy has no baseball court and is thus an inferior school for her/his baseball champion kid.

With the low in-bounds Hardy enrollment from the Mann and Key school districts, it is fanciful in the extreme to predict that the rates of IB enrollment at Deal and Hardy will converge within two years.

Are you a Deal parent trying to reassure yourself that your kid is in the better middle school?

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I understand that years ago the Fillmore Arts Center was part of Hardy. Does anyone know when and why it was sold to the Corcoran School? With the Corcoran closing, any ideas on what will become of the old Filmore school?

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Anonymous wrote:@13:20: Seriously? If you want to raise the likelihood of sending your kids to an Ivy, and look forward to paying (by then) $75,000+ per year, then you should not be messing with a public school education, at all. You've gotta get them on that hamster wheel starting at day one. Harvard? Hey, go look at some other stats: pick out the best public grade schools, anywhere you choose (not magnet public schools, mind you) and see what percentage of the graduates go to an ivy. I assure you, it ain't a lot.

But, if you want to make sure your kids get a quality education in college, and your kids are decent students to begin with, then Wilson or Hardy should be just fine.

13:20 here. I didn't raise the Harvard issue. An earlier posted did. That said, how many Wilson graduates attend Harvard? How many of those came from Hardy? Seriously, if Wilson is "just fine" then it should be sending its top students to Ivies.

Top Wilson students go to top colleges. There is an old topic about it. Consider that college enrolling data for Wilson has two biases: 1) it refers to older cohorts. Lots has changed since when recently graduated kids entered the school; 2) a significant share of these kids are unable to afford the fee of top private colleges. So they apply conditional on financial support/scholarships. If they do not get it, they just opt for State colleges.

What I would find frustrating, if I was a parent, are the negligible numbers of kids going to the ivy colleges from schools such as St Patrick and the British School (numbers are significant only for Sidwell and maybe WIS). I mean you invest $500,000 for your kid education and you end up at Vermont State. What the F***?

I have always hear that it is easier to get into elite schools from Wilson. The real question is are these kids prepared for rigorous work. Also, often parents of children who are struggling go to private so they don't fall even farther behind.

What a bizarre assertion. The many, many students at my Ivy who came from private schools hadn't gone private because they were falling behind. They were frequently the best-prepared, best-educated, and most successful students.

Best educated yes. Of course, on average kids from private schools come from wealthy families and higher SES , i.e. come from more educated families and have access to more enrichment exposure during their school years (trips abroad, private music lessons, expensive cultural activities such as classic music concerts, private tutors..).

Best prepared? No! Most successful ? Not at all!!

All those attending a Ivy college nowadays will tell you that academic success is not correlated with private vs. public education. They will also tell you that, non matter which HS kids come from, the gap in math with students from some Asian countries (China, Korea and for some sub-subjects India) is insurmountable.

But most of the applicants from China cheat.