HGC demographics

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so great for sweeping generalizations!

Everyone thinks that an Indian kid who is a high achiever is not being socialized.

My experience has been that our high performing Indian kids have grown up with tons of socializing , attending and throwing all types of parties and learning the rules of hospitality at home.

They have been born into a community of family and friends and social behavior and conduct is instilled in them from birth. I find it is the Americans who are not socialized properly nor do they have the a sense of hospitality in them.

I have gone to Italian, Greek, Latin, African, Asian, Middle Eastern families and each one of them know how to be welcoming and hospitable. Their children know how to greet and address the guests. They know how to share their toys, they know how to include everyone!

I have yet to see a shining example of "American socialization" that I would want to have my kids emulate.


The irony in this post is astounding. "Everyone" does not think that a high achieving Indian child is not being socialized. You have made a huge generalization from a random, rude comment. Saying that Americans are not socialized properly or do not have a sense of hospitality is also a huge generalization about Americans.

The truth is that someone can disagree with your views on tutoring and the HGC program AND still be a good person.

You are reacting because I have made a generalization about Americans (Whites mainly) in the same way generalizations are made about Asians. I don't see you make a counter argument when a rude comment is made against Asians, but LOVE the way that you are suddenly thin skinned when I make the same comments about Whites.

This is a free country. No Asian parent is telling ANYONE that their kids need to get tutored or apply to magnet schools/HGC or not do whatever they are doing in their lives. In fact, as far as I am concerned it means less competition for my own kid if others do not focus on academics. BUT - every Tom, Dick and Harry has an opinion about what is happening in an Asian kid's life. If Asian kids are not mingling with your kids and are always studying...how do you know if they are happy or unhappy? And if they are unhappy then why is it concerning you? You should be glad that your kids are enjoying life unlike the Asian kids!

The comments that high achieving Asian kids are awkward and not socialized is ironic because according to DCUM there is no social group that socializes without awkwardness with Whites!

In this forum I have read the White posters lament that for some "strange" reason AA self-segregate; White women have asked if high achieving Asian women are the new "trophy wives" for White men; I have seen disparaging comments when any inner-city AA youth gets into Ivies.

Asian achievement is view with extreme prejudice. According to most "White DCUM poster" - our (Asian) children are "dead eyed" kids, who are awkward, and bullied into getting tutored and working hard by their parents, they are one-dimensional and have nothing to offer. If that is the case then all the magnet schools and top universities that pride in picking up well-rounded and high achieving students would not touch Asian students with a barge pole.

Interestingly, the criticism against the low achieving students (mainly Latinos and AA) in MCPS is that they are NOT like the Asians. They are a "dead weight" whose parents are treating MCPS schools as a free "baby sitting" service. They are not interested in studying. They are poor, can't speak English and need to have their meals subsidized in the schools. Oh, and most of them are illegals.

Wow! Can any group come out in the top?

So - yeah...proud to be a Tiger mom and capable of defending my own too! I am proud of all the achievements of the Asian students! So - Bite me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so great for sweeping generalizations!

Everyone thinks that an Indian kid who is a high achiever is not being socialized.

My experience has been that our high performing Indian kids have grown up with tons of socializing , attending and throwing all types of parties and learning the rules of hospitality at home.

They have been born into a community of family and friends and social behavior and conduct is instilled in them from birth. I find it is the Americans who are not socialized properly nor do they have the a sense of hospitality in them.

I have gone to Italian, Greek, Latin, African, Asian, Middle Eastern families and each one of them know how to be welcoming and hospitable. Their children know how to greet and address the guests. They know how to share their toys, they know how to include everyone!

I have yet to see a shining example of "American socialization" that I would want to have my kids emulate.

Well you certainly seem willing enough the accept the generosity of this country when it comes to jobs, schools and a safe living environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so great for sweeping generalizations!

Everyone thinks that an Indian kid who is a high achiever is not being socialized.

My experience has been that our high performing Indian kids have grown up with tons of socializing , attending and throwing all types of parties and learning the rules of hospitality at home.

They have been born into a community of family and friends and social behavior and conduct is instilled in them from birth. I find it is the Americans who are not socialized properly nor do they have the a sense of hospitality in them.

I have gone to Italian, Greek, Latin, African, Asian, Middle Eastern families and each one of them know how to be welcoming and hospitable. Their children know how to greet and address the guests. They know how to share their toys, they know how to include everyone!

I have yet to see a shining example of "American socialization" that I would want to have my kids emulate.

"The rules of hospitality"? Is there only one set of rules?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so great for sweeping generalizations!

Everyone thinks that an Indian kid who is a high achiever is not being socialized.

My experience has been that our high performing Indian kids have grown up with tons of socializing , attending and throwing all types of parties and learning the rules of hospitality at home.

They have been born into a community of family and friends and social behavior and conduct is instilled in them from birth. I find it is the Americans who are not socialized properly nor do they have the a sense of hospitality in them.

I have gone to Italian, Greek, Latin, African, Asian, Middle Eastern families and each one of them know how to be welcoming and hospitable. Their children know how to greet and address the guests. They know how to share their toys, they know how to include everyone!

I have yet to see a shining example of "American socialization" that I would want to have my kids emulate.

Well you certainly seem willing enough the accept the generosity of this country when it comes to jobs, schools and a safe living environment.

Yeah! I am certainly willing to accept everything this country has to offer because this country does not belong to Whites. I will happily go back to my home country when Native Americans ask everyone to leave and when all possible restitution has been made to all countries who were colonized by Whites and all the races that were enslaved by Whites.

Now, how do you like them apples?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so great for sweeping generalizations!

Everyone thinks that an Indian kid who is a high achiever is not being socialized.

My experience has been that our high performing Indian kids have grown up with tons of socializing , attending and throwing all types of parties and learning the rules of hospitality at home.

They have been born into a community of family and friends and social behavior and conduct is instilled in them from birth. I find it is the Americans who are not socialized properly nor do they have the a sense of hospitality in them.

I have gone to Italian, Greek, Latin, African, Asian, Middle Eastern families and each one of them know how to be welcoming and hospitable. Their children know how to greet and address the guests. They know how to share their toys, they know how to include everyone!

I have yet to see a shining example of "American socialization" that I would want to have my kids emulate.

"The rules of hospitality"? Is there only one set of rules?

Food for thought for you -

Just like White Americans think that there is one rule of socialization in this country (which is a superficial and shallow IMHO), Asians have all rights to think that their rules of hospitality and conduct is the only set of rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is the best reason I have read anywhere on DCUM for a reason to send a kid to academic tutoring (other than for needing extra help). But it seems like there could be better activities to send them to rather than academic tutoring. Add'l sports, music, even volunteering?

Actually, playing some video games (not violent ones) may help a kids' fine motor skills. Not saying we should let kids play electronics all day, but that is one side benefit. I think there was an article some time ago about how they found that surgeons and/or fighter pilots that played more computer games when they were yonger were better at some of the skills that required these types of motor skills.

Totally true. IXL and Khan are cheap/free and don't require parents to drive. So this is the lazy parent method of occupying idle hands/minds. They do sports and music. I wholeheartedly agree that volunteering is a good use of time...just don't always have time to facilitate it (kids cannot drive yet).

Are these online tutoring? OK, I admit, while I don't send my kids to after school tutoring, I do let them play math games and such online. Does that count as after school tutoring?

Yes, this is enrichment. Why do you think your kid needs that? If they were smart and had raw talent they should learn everything they need to "automagically" at school. I pity your child! You are the worst kind of a Tiger mom! I bet they do not have a life outside of doing Math game online. Don't you think they should have unstructured time in their life? Their childhood is pitiful. I bet they have a "dead look" in their eye from all that screen time!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Food for thought for you -

Just like White Americans think that there is one rule of socialization in this country (which is a superficial and shallow IMHO), Asians have all rights to think that their rules of hospitality and conduct is the only set of rules.

Of course! Everybody has an equal right to be wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Food for thought for you -

Just like White Americans think that there is one rule of socialization in this country (which is a superficial and shallow IMHO), Asians have all rights to think that their rules of hospitality and conduct is the only set of rules.

Of course! Everybody has an equal right to be wrong.

Yeah, humans are so terribly flawed!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is the best reason I have read anywhere on DCUM for a reason to send a kid to academic tutoring (other than for needing extra help). But it seems like there could be better activities to send them to rather than academic tutoring. Add'l sports, music, even volunteering?

Actually, playing some video games (not violent ones) may help a kids' fine motor skills. Not saying we should let kids play electronics all day, but that is one side benefit. I think there was an article some time ago about how they found that surgeons and/or fighter pilots that played more computer games when they were yonger were better at some of the skills that required these types of motor skills.

Totally true. IXL and Khan are cheap/free and don't require parents to drive. So this is the lazy parent method of occupying idle hands/minds. They do sports and music. I wholeheartedly agree that volunteering is a good use of time...just don't always have time to facilitate it (kids cannot drive yet).

Are these online tutoring? OK, I admit, while I don't send my kids to after school tutoring, I do let them play math games and such online. Does that count as after school tutoring?

Yes, this is enrichment. Why do you think your kid needs that? If they were smart and had raw talent they should learn everything they need to "automagically" at school. I pity your child! You are the worst kind of a Tiger mom! I bet they do not have a life outside of doing Math game online. Don't you think they should have unstructured time in their life? Their childhood is pitiful. I bet they have a "dead look" in their eye from all that screen time!

Well, first of all, math online is about 10 to 15 min. Secondly, I didn't sign DC up for anything. DC asked to do it. It was this vs. writing math facts on paper. I let DC do it on the computer. So, DC does still have a lot unstructured time. Sometimes, DC chooses to read for an hour, sometimes DC goes out and plays. DCs eyes are far from "dead". They *sparkle*!

I take it you do put your kids in after-school tutoring, hence the sarcastic response(?).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so great for sweeping generalizations!

Everyone thinks that an Indian kid who is a high achiever is not being socialized.

My experience has been that our high performing Indian kids have grown up with tons of socializing , attending and throwing all types of parties and learning the rules of hospitality at home.

They have been born into a community of family and friends and social behavior and conduct is instilled in them from birth. I find it is the Americans who are not socialized properly nor do they have the a sense of hospitality in them.

I have gone to Italian, Greek, Latin, African, Asian, Middle Eastern families and each one of them know how to be welcoming and hospitable. Their children know how to greet and address the guests. They know how to share their toys, they know how to include everyone!

I have yet to see a shining example of "American socialization" that I would want to have my kids emulate.


The irony in this post is astounding. "Everyone" does not think that a high achieving Indian child is not being socialized. You have made a huge generalization from a random, rude comment. Saying that Americans are not socialized properly or do not have a sense of hospitality is also a huge generalization about Americans.

The truth is that someone can disagree with your views on tutoring and the HGC program AND still be a good person.

You are reacting because I have made a generalization about Americans (Whites mainly) in the same way generalizations are made about Asians. I don't see you make a counter argument when a rude comment is made against Asians, but LOVE the way that you are suddenly thin skinned when I make the same comments about Whites.

This is a free country. No Asian parent is telling ANYONE that their kids need to get tutored or apply to magnet schools/HGC or not do whatever they are doing in their lives. In fact, as far as I am concerned it means less competition for my own kid if others do not focus on academics. BUT - every Tom, Dick and Harry has an opinion about what is happening in an Asian kid's life. If Asian kids are not mingling with your kids and are always studying...how do you know if they are happy or unhappy? And if they are unhappy then why is it concerning you? You should be glad that your kids are enjoying life unlike the Asian kids!

The comments that high achieving Asian kids are awkward and not socialized is ironic because according to DCUM there is no social group that socializes without awkwardness with Whites!

In this forum I have read the White posters lament that for some "strange" reason AA self-segregate; White women have asked if high achieving Asian women are the new "trophy wives" for White men; I have seen disparaging comments when any inner-city AA youth gets into Ivies.

Asian achievement is view with extreme prejudice. According to most "White DCUM poster" - our (Asian) children are "dead eyed" kids, who are awkward, and bullied into getting tutored and working hard by their parents, they are one-dimensional and have nothing to offer. If that is the case then all the magnet schools and top universities that pride in picking up well-rounded and high achieving students would not touch Asian students with a barge pole.

Interestingly, the criticism against the low achieving students (mainly Latinos and AA) in MCPS is that they are NOT like the Asians. They are a "dead weight" whose parents are treating MCPS schools as a free "baby sitting" service. They are not interested in studying. They are poor, can't speak English and need to have their meals subsidized in the schools. Oh, and most of them are illegals.

Wow! Can any group come out in the top?

So - yeah...proud to be a Tiger mom and capable of defending my own too! I am proud of all the achievements of the Asian students! So - Bite me!

I love you. +1000 (from non Asian minority)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is the best reason I have read anywhere on DCUM for a reason to send a kid to academic tutoring (other than for needing extra help). But it seems like there could be better activities to send them to rather than academic tutoring. Add'l sports, music, even volunteering?

Actually, playing some video games (not violent ones) may help a kids' fine motor skills. Not saying we should let kids play electronics all day, but that is one side benefit. I think there was an article some time ago about how they found that surgeons and/or fighter pilots that played more computer games when they were yonger were better at some of the skills that required these types of motor skills.

Totally true. IXL and Khan are cheap/free and don't require parents to drive. So this is the lazy parent method of occupying idle hands/minds. They do sports and music. I wholeheartedly agree that volunteering is a good use of time...just don't always have time to facilitate it (kids cannot drive yet).

Are these online tutoring? OK, I admit, while I don't send my kids to after school tutoring, I do let them play math games and such online. Does that count as after school tutoring?

Yes, this is enrichment. Why do you think your kid needs that? If they were smart and had raw talent they should learn everything they need to "automagically" at school. I pity your child! You are the worst kind of a Tiger mom! I bet they do not have a life outside of doing Math game online. Don't you think they should have unstructured time in their life? Their childhood is pitiful. I bet they have a "dead look" in their eye from all that screen time!

Well, first of all, math online is about 10 to 15 min. Secondly, I didn't sign DC up for anything. DC asked to do it. It was this vs. writing math facts on paper. I let DC do it on the computer. So, DC does still have a lot unstructured time. Sometimes, DC chooses to read for an hour, sometimes DC goes out and plays. DCs eyes are far from "dead". They *sparkle*!

I take it you do put your kids in after-school tutoring, hence the sarcastic response(?).

Umm, actually my kids do not get after school tutoring but have had enough enrichment at home that they enjoy. From DCUM perspective they must be working hard because they are in magnets, and they participate in several ECs they enjoy, compete in county level and state level championships and win. But these accomplishments come easy to them. In addition - they also have a huge circle of friends, travel overseas every year, are healthy and thriving mentally and physically, have a great home environment and live in an intact family, have great relationship with relatives and friends!

No, not making sarcastic remarks but rather mimicking the words of many parents who pass value judgments on the parenting style of those who have tutors for their kids. To be sarcastic to you, I would have to envy you somehow - and I cannot find a reason to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is so great for sweeping generalizations!

Everyone thinks that an Indian kid who is a high achiever is not being socialized.

My experience has been that our high performing Indian kids have grown up with tons of socializing , attending and throwing all types of parties and learning the rules of hospitality at home.

They have been born into a community of family and friends and social behavior and conduct is instilled in them from birth. I find it is the Americans who are not socialized properly nor do they have the a sense of hospitality in them.

I have gone to Italian, Greek, Latin, African, Asian, Middle Eastern families and each one of them know how to be welcoming and hospitable. Their children know how to greet and address the guests. They know how to share their toys, they know how to include everyone!

I have yet to see a shining example of "American socialization" that I would want to have my kids emulate.

Well you certainly seem willing enough the accept the generosity of this country when it comes to jobs, schools and a safe living environment.

Yeah! I am certainly willing to accept everything this country has to offer because this country does not belong to Whites. I will happily go back to my home country when Native Americans ask everyone to leave and when all possible restitution has been made to all countries who were colonized by Whites and all the races that were enslaved by Whites.

Now, how do you like them apples?

You have issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was curious about this, so thanks for posting. I think AA and Latino are under-represented at our HGC and Asian/Indian are over-represented. I was surprised to find out that there was test prep going on to the tune of $600 or more, so this may be influencing the demographic.

Personally, I think if a kid needs to have $600+ tutor to get into HGC, then kid doesn't belong there. Not saying all kids that have tutors are like this, but if a kid on his own can't get in, then it's questionable whether the kid belongs there.

Another reason HGCs should be abolished. They favor wealthy kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was curious about this, so thanks for posting. I think AA and Latino are under-represented at our HGC and Asian/Indian are over-represented. I was surprised to find out that there was test prep going on to the tune of $600 or more, so this may be influencing the demographic.

Personally, I think if a kid needs to have $600+ tutor to get into HGC, then kid doesn't belong there. Not saying all kids that have tutors are like this, but if a kid on his own can't get in, then it's questionable whether the kid belongs there.

Another reason HGCs should be abolished. They favor wealthy kids

I think school boundaries should be abolished as well. I want my kid to attend Cold Spring ES!

Also, how about instituting some kind of fees for the wealthy kids and use that to pay for tutoring the poor kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well you certainly seem willing enough the accept the generosity of this country when it comes to jobs, schools and a safe living environment.

Yeah! I am certainly willing to accept everything this country has to offer because this country does not belong to Whites. I will happily go back to my home country when Native Americans ask everyone to leave and when all possible restitution has been made to all countries who were colonized by Whites and all the races that were enslaved by Whites.

Now, how do you like them apples?

You have issues.

Absolutely. I have issues with racist stereotyping. I think I also have issues with some scumbag telling me that as a "foreign born" naturalized American (and mother of American citizens)that I have to tow some White person's idea of what freedom of speech is.

I also have issues with White Americans trying to claim "reverse racism" when they are given a dose of their own medicine. Watch this to understand why this does not work -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw_mRaIHb-M


I have issues with people having issues with the fact that I focus on my kid's education. I have issues with the fact that I am now feeling compelled to defend my community and parenting style - not because I am a neglectful mom, who is snorting cocaine and letting my kids do whatever they want to BUT because I am actually an involved parent who is doing my best to raise a child who will be a contributing member of the society.

I however do not have any issues with unsheathing my claws and taking some swipes now and then. Tiger moms are on the top of the food chain in the jungle - FYI!