Jeff may have blood in his hands if there is another zoo shooting next year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hahha I like when people make claims of "censorship" in the internet age. Nothing is to stop you from starting your own blog to write about an event, and you can even do it for free.

On top of that, the information isnt' even being covered up. It's on the front page of washingtonpost.com right now.

If you don't like DCUM's moderation, there is nothing to stop you from starting a blog or getting information on an event elsewhere. It's not like the old days where your only news source was printed newspapers, and there was a high barrier to entry to produce your own.

All very valid points. I just wanted to alert fellow DCUMers about an important concern that was being censored in quite surprising ways. And I say surprising because I had not observed something similar in the couple of years I have been around. It is now clear to me that Jeff uses this community to drive his own personal agenda, so indeed it makes no sense for me to stay. Not a tragic loss, I know. I hope no one gets injured at the zoo next year, or ever.

And you don't have a personal agenda??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved."

And why is that? For example, there are crowds at Walt Disney World every day of the year, but never (or rarely) incidents of these crowds being ill-behaved.

So let's discuss.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/10/drunk_florida_man_attacks_thre.php

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hahha I like when people make claims of "censorship" in the internet age. Nothing is to stop you from starting your own blog to write about an event, and you can even do it for free.

On top of that, the information isnt' even being covered up. It's on the front page of washingtonpost.com right now.

If you don't like DCUM's moderation, there is nothing to stop you from starting a blog or getting information on an event elsewhere. It's not like the old days where your only news source was printed newspapers, and there was a high barrier to entry to produce your own.

All very valid points. I just wanted to alert fellow DCUMers about an important concern that was being censored in quite surprising ways. And I say surprising because I had not observed something similar in the couple of years I have been around. It is now clear to me that Jeff uses this community to drive his own personal agenda, so indeed it makes no sense for me to stay. Not a tragic loss, I know. I hope no one gets injured at the zoo next year, or ever.

I don't quite get your point. I think the other thread very clearly states the dangers that go on at this event. Not sure what your posts adds to that. I don't think there is one person reading the other post going "wow this place sounds really safe and it was just one crazy person making shit up". So I'm really not understanding your claims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved."

And why is that? For example, there are crowds at Walt Disney World every day of the year, but never (or rarely) incidents of these crowds being ill-behaved.

So let's discuss.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/10/drunk_florida_man_attacks_thre.php

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fla-underage-sex-sting-arrests-22-men-including-disney-world-employees-man-happy-meal-report-article-1.1612036

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:C'mon, folks--

I, too, am puzzled by the moderator's muzzling of comments about the serious pattern of shootings and other gun violence in connection with the annual zoo event yesterday. Whether done out of an abundance of caution or political correctness, I don't know. However, to cast blame on him for future violence because of heavy-handed censorship is both wrong and frankly inflates the importance of this forum.

And therein lies the issue. Some are making it sound like there are shootings every year, and that doesn't appear to be the case as noted in several posts though any shooting is bad. I think the moderator is trying to eliminate mis-communication which feeds into some posters justification who want to make this into a race=violence issue.

No one is saying the shootings didn't happen but to infer that it happens every year is, indeed, incorrect. Period.

The police certainly act as if they expect shootings or some other violence each time this event is held especially after the 2000 shooting. They're prepared with assault weaponry and also their presence is quite large even at the start. Yet, this is called a family event.

On the other hand, I guess, there was probably a heavy police presence with exposed assault weaponry at the White House egg roll, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved."

And why is that? For example, there are crowds at Walt Disney World every day of the year, but never (or rarely) incidents of these crowds being ill-behaved.

So let's discuss.

Go ahead and start a topic on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved."

And why is that? For example, there are crowds at Walt Disney World every day of the year, but never (or rarely) incidents of these crowds being ill-behaved.

So let's discuss.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2013/10/drunk_florida_man_attacks_thre.php

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fla-underage-sex-sting-arrests-22-men-including-disney-world-employees-man-happy-meal-report-article-1.1612036

I can't believe DCUM is covering up these incidents as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:C'mon, folks--

I, too, am puzzled by the moderator's muzzling of comments about the serious pattern of shootings and other gun violence in connection with the annual zoo event yesterday. Whether done out of an abundance of caution or political correctness, I don't know. However, to cast blame on him for future violence because of heavy-handed censorship is both wrong and frankly inflates the importance of this forum.

And therein lies the issue. Some are making it sound like there are shootings every year, and that doesn't appear to be the case as noted in several posts though any shooting is bad. I think the moderator is trying to eliminate mis-communication which feeds into some posters justification who want to make this into a race=violence issue.

No one is saying the shootings didn't happen but to infer that it happens every year is, indeed, incorrect. Period.

The police certainly act as if they expect shootings or some other violence each time this event is held especially after the 2000 shooting. They're prepared with assault weaponry and also their presence is quite large even at the start. Yet, this is called a family event.

On the other hand, I guess, there was probably a heavy police presence with exposed assault weaponry at the White House egg roll, too.

And the marine corps marathon, and the army ten miler... Just about ANY big event in DC has lots of cops present.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:C'mon, folks--

I, too, am puzzled by the moderator's muzzling of comments about the serious pattern of shootings and other gun violence in connection with the annual zoo event yesterday. Whether done out of an abundance of caution or political correctness, I don't know. However, to cast blame on him for future violence because of heavy-handed censorship is both wrong and frankly inflates the importance of this forum.

And therein lies the issue. Some are making it sound like there are shootings every year, and that doesn't appear to be the case as noted in several posts though any shooting is bad. I think the moderator is trying to eliminate mis-communication which feeds into some posters justification who want to make this into a race=violence issue.

No one is saying the shootings didn't happen but to infer that it happens every year is, indeed, incorrect. Period.

The police certainly act as if they expect shootings or some other violence each time this event is held especially after the 2000 shooting. They're prepared with assault weaponry and also their presence is quite large even at the start. Yet, this is called a family event.

On the other hand, I guess, there was probably a heavy police presence with exposed assault weaponry at the White House egg roll, too.

And the marine corps marathon, and the army ten miler... Just about ANY big event in DC has lots of cops present.

I've attended street festivals (i.e. Annual Adams Morgan Day, etc.) and there's not even close to the police presence as is on Easter Monday at the Zoo. Nor are they standing around with their hands on the handle of their assault rifles at the start of the event.

[Anonymous]

1. my sense is that the moderator of these forums goes out of his way to not offend his very diverse community. I think that understandable.
2. others get frustrated when they get called a racist for ever trying to have a frank discussion on the statistical link between race and crime.

these are delicate topics, certainly. not sure what the answer is other than to agree that it is a private forum and the moderator can moderate as he or she chooses.

[Anonymous]

The problem is the action of a few which is defined by some here as the actions of all who attend the zoo. Would you want Disney shut down because they are having serious problems with sex offenders (on land and sea)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. my sense is that the moderator of these forums goes out of his way to not offend his very diverse community. I think that understandable.
2. others get frustrated when they get called a racist for ever trying to have a frank discussion on the statistical link between race and crime.

these are delicate topics, certainly. not sure what the answer is other than to agree that it is a private forum and the moderator can moderate as he or she chooses.

That's crap. I have seen him take a sledge hammer to every group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. my sense is that the moderator of these forums goes out of his way to not offend his very diverse community. I think that understandable.
2. others get frustrated when they get called a racist for ever trying to have a frank discussion on the statistical link between race and crime.

these are delicate topics, certainly. not sure what the answer is other than to agree that it is a private forum and the moderator can moderate as he or she chooses.

That's crap. I have seen him take a sledge hammer to every group.

So he's equally enforcing a standard of conduct? Great!

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. my sense is that the moderator of these forums goes out of his way to not offend his very diverse community. I think that understandable.
2. others get frustrated when they get called a racist for ever trying to have a frank discussion on the statistical link between race and crime.

these are delicate topics, certainly. not sure what the answer is other than to agree that it is a private forum and the moderator can moderate as he or she chooses.

That's crap. I have seen him take a sledge hammer to every group.

So he's equally enforcing a standard of conduct? Great!

Misconduct, more like it. If you read DCUM and are not offended at some point, I would want to check your pulse. But, everything has to have limits.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. my sense is that the moderator of these forums goes out of his way to not offend his very diverse community. I think that understandable.
2. others get frustrated when they get called a racist for ever trying to have a frank discussion on the statistical link between race and crime.

these are delicate topics, certainly. not sure what the answer is other than to agree that it is a private forum and the moderator can moderate as he or she chooses.

That's crap. I have seen him take a sledge hammer to every group.

So he's equally enforcing a standard of conduct? Great!

Misconduct, more like it. If you read DCUM and are not offended at some point, I would want to check your pulse. But, everything has to have limits.

Can you please sell these as T-Shirts?