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Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

What's really disturbing about the article is that it seems that gang members and wannabes are playing out their grudge-matches on new territory, family-friendly Connecticut Avenue and Woodley Park. This is the sort of development that needs to be taken very seriously by the neighborhood, the police and city authorities, with an overwhelming response called for to stop this problem before it continues.

Why? It deserves EXTRA attention because it is Woodley Park and not LeDroit Park? LOL. Recently, there was an 8YO girl who was collateral damage in a shooitng in SE. No outrage from the DCUM crowd although it got plenty of pub "in the AA community" (whatever that is). Here, you had a shooting and the victim was targeted. No collateral damange thank God. But it warrants 13 pages of outrage, insults and argument. Folks, we need to be concerned about these issues across the District. A shooting in Woodley Park should not be "more important" than a shooting in Anacostia or Sursum Corda.

I'm not saying that it is "more important" but it should involve very immediate, focused attention. The reason, according to police leaders, is that when you see a spike in violence and criminal behavior in an area considered "safe" you have to get right on it. It's like a spreading cancer -- and the chances of addressing it are greater before it starts to really take hold. This follows an incident last week in Woodley Park in which there were shots, and police believe that some of the same people returned planned to return to the zoo this week. Finally, the zoo is an iconic destination where families bring their kids. Of course, it is important to address violence there and in the immediate area of the zoo.

I can say that almost every shooting in the District deserves this, no matter what neighborhood it happened in. I understand and somewhat agree if you are saying that the Zoo should get the same level of protection as the National Mall and the like (and they had that on Monday). However, your post implies that Woodley Park is entitled to more police presence and crime fighting resources than other neighborhoods because a crime happened in Woodley Park that "normally" happens in other neighborhoods. That implication is a slippery slope.

That's not what I'm saying. But if the cancer is spreading to a heretofore safe neighborhood, you bet that local government and the police had better do something about it pronto. It's called "flooding the zone." Otherwise, if you say that no areas should get extra attention until all areas are safe you will never get there.

I understand your angst because that is your neighborhhod. But I would hardly say that violent crime is an "epidemic" in Woodley Park. You have one instance where someone randomly shot - no indicated target. And the incident this week involved people from outside Woodley Park targeting people from outside Woodley Park. That could have have happened anywhere where these two bumped into each other. I am all for getting on top of things and making sure that the folks in Woodley Park feel relatively safe. What I do not agree with is flooding the zone there to the detriment of the police resources being dedicated to my neighborhood.

Sorry, but when gang-bangers and other hoodlums appropriate a safe, family-oriented neighborhood -- and the National Zoo of all places on "family day: -- to fight their battles, then it's a big problem for which a zero tolerance approach is needed. This is basic policing strategy. I find it surprising that anyone could object to that concept. I disagree with open carry and stand your ground laws, but when people start to feel unsafe in their neighborhoods and that the local police can't -- or won't -- do something about it, you can see how political support for these measures builds.

Your choice of words is telling. What DC neighborhood isn't "family-oriented"? What makes Woodley Park so special? Paying tons of money for your 300 square foot house doesn't entitle you to be any more safe than folks who live in other areas of DC.

Is this what is meant by "One City", that safety in DC neighborhoods should be a lowest common denominator? Or that when a neighborhood that is historically very safe sees a spike in violent crime that they should just shut up because other neighborhoods have more frequent crime? If so, I'd point out that the crooked buffoon who coined the phrase will soon be history.

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Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

What's really disturbing about the article is that it seems that gang members and wannabes are playing out their grudge-matches on new territory, family-friendly Connecticut Avenue and Woodley Park. This is the sort of development that needs to be taken very seriously by the neighborhood, the police and city authorities, with an overwhelming response called for to stop this problem before it continues.

Why? It deserves EXTRA attention because it is Woodley Park and not LeDroit Park? LOL. Recently, there was an 8YO girl who was collateral damage in a shooitng in SE. No outrage from the DCUM crowd although it got plenty of pub "in the AA community" (whatever that is). Here, you had a shooting and the victim was targeted. No collateral damange thank God. But it warrants 13 pages of outrage, insults and argument. Folks, we need to be concerned about these issues across the District. A shooting in Woodley Park should not be "more important" than a shooting in Anacostia or Sursum Corda.

I'm not saying that it is "more important" but it should involve very immediate, focused attention. The reason, according to police leaders, is that when you see a spike in violence and criminal behavior in an area considered "safe" you have to get right on it. It's like a spreading cancer -- and the chances of addressing it are greater before it starts to really take hold. This follows an incident last week in Woodley Park in which there were shots, and police believe that some of the same people returned planned to return to the zoo this week. Finally, the zoo is an iconic destination where families bring their kids. Of course, it is important to address violence there and in the immediate area of the zoo.

I can say that almost every shooting in the District deserves this, no matter what neighborhood it happened in. I understand and somewhat agree if you are saying that the Zoo should get the same level of protection as the National Mall and the like (and they had that on Monday). However, your post implies that Woodley Park is entitled to more police presence and crime fighting resources than other neighborhoods because a crime happened in Woodley Park that "normally" happens in other neighborhoods. That implication is a slippery slope.

That's not what I'm saying. But if the cancer is spreading to a heretofore safe neighborhood, you bet that local government and the police had better do something about it pronto. It's called "flooding the zone." Otherwise, if you say that no areas should get extra attention until all areas are safe you will never get there.

I understand your angst because that is your neighborhhod. But I would hardly say that violent crime is an "epidemic" in Woodley Park. You have one instance where someone randomly shot - no indicated target. And the incident this week involved people from outside Woodley Park targeting people from outside Woodley Park. That could have have happened anywhere where these two bumped into each other. I am all for getting on top of things and making sure that the folks in Woodley Park feel relatively safe. What I do not agree with is flooding the zone there to the detriment of the police resources being dedicated to my neighborhood.

Sorry, but when gang-bangers and other hoodlums appropriate a safe, family-oriented neighborhood -- and the National Zoo of all places on "family day: -- to fight their battles, then it's a big problem for which a zero tolerance approach is needed. This is basic policing strategy. I find it surprising that anyone could object to that concept. I disagree with open carry and stand your ground laws, but when people start to feel unsafe in their neighborhoods and that the local police can't -- or won't -- do something about it, you can see how political support for these measures builds.

Now, you are being dramatic. Woodley Park has not been "appropriated" by any bad element. We are talking about a handful of incidents over a 15 year span. I live in a family-oriented neighborhood that is not Woodley Park. Zero tolerance? Great - I am all for it! I can even bring myself to agree with the rest of it. The "concept" that I object to is that you think that Woodley Park is more entitled to benefit from this policing strategy than any other neighborhood. Whatever YOUR neighborhood gets as far as crime fighting resources should not be at the expense of my neighborhood - especially since we all have the SAME vested interest in making sure our neighborhoods are safe.

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Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

What's really disturbing about the article is that it seems that gang members and wannabes are playing out their grudge-matches on new territory, family-friendly Connecticut Avenue and Woodley Park. This is the sort of development that needs to be taken very seriously by the neighborhood, the police and city authorities, with an overwhelming response called for to stop this problem before it continues.

Why? It deserves EXTRA attention because it is Woodley Park and not LeDroit Park? LOL. Recently, there was an 8YO girl who was collateral damage in a shooitng in SE. No outrage from the DCUM crowd although it got plenty of pub "in the AA community" (whatever that is). Here, you had a shooting and the victim was targeted. No collateral damange thank God. But it warrants 13 pages of outrage, insults and argument. Folks, we need to be concerned about these issues across the District. A shooting in Woodley Park should not be "more important" than a shooting in Anacostia or Sursum Corda.

I'm not saying that it is "more important" but it should involve very immediate, focused attention. The reason, according to police leaders, is that when you see a spike in violence and criminal behavior in an area considered "safe" you have to get right on it. It's like a spreading cancer -- and the chances of addressing it are greater before it starts to really take hold. This follows an incident last week in Woodley Park in which there were shots, and police believe that some of the same people returned planned to return to the zoo this week. Finally, the zoo is an iconic destination where families bring their kids. Of course, it is important to address violence there and in the immediate area of the zoo.

I can say that almost every shooting in the District deserves this, no matter what neighborhood it happened in. I understand and somewhat agree if you are saying that the Zoo should get the same level of protection as the National Mall and the like (and they had that on Monday). However, your post implies that Woodley Park is entitled to more police presence and crime fighting resources than other neighborhoods because a crime happened in Woodley Park that "normally" happens in other neighborhoods. That implication is a slippery slope.

That's not what I'm saying. But if the cancer is spreading to a heretofore safe neighborhood, you bet that local government and the police had better do something about it pronto. It's called "flooding the zone." Otherwise, if you say that no areas should get extra attention until all areas are safe you will never get there.

I understand your angst because that is your neighborhhod. But I would hardly say that violent crime is an "epidemic" in Woodley Park. You have one instance where someone randomly shot - no indicated target. And the incident this week involved people from outside Woodley Park targeting people from outside Woodley Park. That could have have happened anywhere where these two bumped into each other. I am all for getting on top of things and making sure that the folks in Woodley Park feel relatively safe. What I do not agree with is flooding the zone there to the detriment of the police resources being dedicated to my neighborhood.

Sorry, but when gang-bangers and other hoodlums appropriate a safe, family-oriented neighborhood -- and the National Zoo of all places on "family day: -- to fight their battles, then it's a big problem for which a zero tolerance approach is needed. This is basic policing strategy. I find it surprising that anyone could object to that concept. I disagree with open carry and stand your ground laws, but when people start to feel unsafe in their neighborhoods and that the local police can't -- or won't -- do something about it, you can see how political support for these measures builds.

Your choice of words is telling. What DC neighborhood isn't "family-oriented"? What makes Woodley Park so special? Paying tons of money for your 300 square foot house doesn't entitle you to be any more safe than folks who live in other areas of DC.

Is this what is meant by "One City", that safety in DC neighborhoods should be a lowest common denominator? Or that when a neighborhood that is historically very safe sees a spike in violent crime that they should just shut up because other neighborhoods have more frequent crime? If so, I'd point out that the crooked buffoon who coined the phrase will soon be history.

The other PP here. I do not know what is meant by One City - I did not vote for the current mayor. 5 incidents over a 15 year period is not a "spike in violent crime." All I am saying is that MPD has limited resources that they have to deploy District wide. If you are saying that we should lock arms and fight for MORE resources so that we can all feel safe, I am 100% with you on that front. But if you are asking that MPD take resources from my neighborhood and deploy them in your neighborhood based on the last couple weeks, I would object to that. My neighborhood is safe but there have been incidents - we live in an urban area with high density. But I do not beleive in taking from Peter to pay Paul. THAT was my point.

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Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

What's really disturbing about the article is that it seems that gang members and wannabes are playing out their grudge-matches on new territory, family-friendly Connecticut Avenue and Woodley Park. This is the sort of development that needs to be taken very seriously by the neighborhood, the police and city authorities, with an overwhelming response called for to stop this problem before it continues.

Why? It deserves EXTRA attention because it is Woodley Park and not LeDroit Park? LOL. Recently, there was an 8YO girl who was collateral damage in a shooitng in SE. No outrage from the DCUM crowd although it got plenty of pub "in the AA community" (whatever that is). Here, you had a shooting and the victim was targeted. No collateral damange thank God. But it warrants 13 pages of outrage, insults and argument. Folks, we need to be concerned about these issues across the District. A shooting in Woodley Park should not be "more important" than a shooting in Anacostia or Sursum Corda.

I'm not saying that it is "more important" but it should involve very immediate, focused attention. The reason, according to police leaders, is that when you see a spike in violence and criminal behavior in an area considered "safe" you have to get right on it. It's like a spreading cancer -- and the chances of addressing it are greater before it starts to really take hold. This follows an incident last week in Woodley Park in which there were shots, and police believe that some of the same people returned planned to return to the zoo this week. Finally, the zoo is an iconic destination where families bring their kids. Of course, it is important to address violence there and in the immediate area of the zoo.

I can say that almost every shooting in the District deserves this, no matter what neighborhood it happened in. I understand and somewhat agree if you are saying that the Zoo should get the same level of protection as the National Mall and the like (and they had that on Monday). However, your post implies that Woodley Park is entitled to more police presence and crime fighting resources than other neighborhoods because a crime happened in Woodley Park that "normally" happens in other neighborhoods. That implication is a slippery slope.

That's not what I'm saying. But if the cancer is spreading to a heretofore safe neighborhood, you bet that local government and the police had better do something about it pronto. It's called "flooding the zone." Otherwise, if you say that no areas should get extra attention until all areas are safe you will never get there.

I understand your angst because that is your neighborhhod. But I would hardly say that violent crime is an "epidemic" in Woodley Park. You have one instance where someone randomly shot - no indicated target. And the incident this week involved people from outside Woodley Park targeting people from outside Woodley Park. That could have have happened anywhere where these two bumped into each other. I am all for getting on top of things and making sure that the folks in Woodley Park feel relatively safe. What I do not agree with is flooding the zone there to the detriment of the police resources being dedicated to my neighborhood.

Sorry, but when gang-bangers and other hoodlums appropriate a safe, family-oriented neighborhood -- and the National Zoo of all places on "family day: -- to fight their battles, then it's a big problem for which a zero tolerance approach is needed. This is basic policing strategy. I find it surprising that anyone could object to that concept. I disagree with open carry and stand your ground laws, but when people start to feel unsafe in their neighborhoods and that the local police can't -- or won't -- do something about it, you can see how political support for these measures builds.

Your choice of words is telling. What DC neighborhood isn't "family-oriented"? What makes Woodley Park so special? Paying tons of money for your 300 square foot house doesn't entitle you to be any more safe than folks who live in other areas of DC.

Is this what is meant by "One City", that safety in DC neighborhoods should be a lowest common denominator? Or that when a neighborhood that is historically very safe sees a spike in violent crime that they should just shut up because other neighborhoods have more frequent crime? If so, I'd point out that the crooked buffoon who coined the phrase will soon be history.

The other PP here. I do not know what is meant by One City - I did not vote for the current mayor. 5 incidents over a 15 year period is not a "spike in violent crime." All I am saying is that MPD has limited resources that they have to deploy District wide. If you are saying that we should lock arms and fight for MORE resources so that we can all feel safe, I am 100% with you on that front. But if you are asking that MPD take resources from my neighborhood and deploy them in your neighborhood based on the last couple weeks, I would object to that. My neighborhood is safe but there have been incidents - we live in an urban area with high density. But I do not beleive in taking from Peter to pay Paul. THAT was my point.

Of course, one sensible way for MPD to avoid deploying the massive resources that they had to on Monday is to cancel the zoo event for a while and then to restructure it as a ticketed event or one limited to small children, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

What's really disturbing about the article is that it seems that gang members and wannabes are playing out their grudge-matches on new territory, family-friendly Connecticut Avenue and Woodley Park. This is the sort of development that needs to be taken very seriously by the neighborhood, the police and city authorities, with an overwhelming response called for to stop this problem before it continues.

Why? It deserves EXTRA attention because it is Woodley Park and not LeDroit Park? LOL. Recently, there was an 8YO girl who was collateral damage in a shooitng in SE. No outrage from the DCUM crowd although it got plenty of pub "in the AA community" (whatever that is). Here, you had a shooting and the victim was targeted. No collateral damange thank God. But it warrants 13 pages of outrage, insults and argument. Folks, we need to be concerned about these issues across the District. A shooting in Woodley Park should not be "more important" than a shooting in Anacostia or Sursum Corda.

I'm not saying that it is "more important" but it should involve very immediate, focused attention. The reason, according to police leaders, is that when you see a spike in violence and criminal behavior in an area considered "safe" you have to get right on it. It's like a spreading cancer -- and the chances of addressing it are greater before it starts to really take hold. This follows an incident last week in Woodley Park in which there were shots, and police believe that some of the same people returned planned to return to the zoo this week. Finally, the zoo is an iconic destination where families bring their kids. Of course, it is important to address violence there and in the immediate area of the zoo.

I can say that almost every shooting in the District deserves this, no matter what neighborhood it happened in. I understand and somewhat agree if you are saying that the Zoo should get the same level of protection as the National Mall and the like (and they had that on Monday). However, your post implies that Woodley Park is entitled to more police presence and crime fighting resources than other neighborhoods because a crime happened in Woodley Park that "normally" happens in other neighborhoods. That implication is a slippery slope.

That's not what I'm saying. But if the cancer is spreading to a heretofore safe neighborhood, you bet that local government and the police had better do something about it pronto. It's called "flooding the zone." Otherwise, if you say that no areas should get extra attention until all areas are safe you will never get there.

I understand your angst because that is your neighborhhod. But I would hardly say that violent crime is an "epidemic" in Woodley Park. You have one instance where someone randomly shot - no indicated target. And the incident this week involved people from outside Woodley Park targeting people from outside Woodley Park. That could have have happened anywhere where these two bumped into each other. I am all for getting on top of things and making sure that the folks in Woodley Park feel relatively safe. What I do not agree with is flooding the zone there to the detriment of the police resources being dedicated to my neighborhood.

Sorry, but when gang-bangers and other hoodlums appropriate a safe, family-oriented neighborhood -- and the National Zoo of all places on "family day: -- to fight their battles, then it's a big problem for which a zero tolerance approach is needed. This is basic policing strategy. I find it surprising that anyone could object to that concept. I disagree with open carry and stand your ground laws, but when people start to feel unsafe in their neighborhoods and that the local police can't -- or won't -- do something about it, you can see how political support for these measures builds.

Your choice of words is telling. What DC neighborhood isn't "family-oriented"? What makes Woodley Park so special? Paying tons of money for your 300 square foot house doesn't entitle you to be any more safe than folks who live in other areas of DC.

Is this what is meant by "One City", that safety in DC neighborhoods should be a lowest common denominator? Or that when a neighborhood that is historically very safe sees a spike in violent crime that they should just shut up because other neighborhoods have more frequent crime? If so, I'd point out that the crooked buffoon who coined the phrase will soon be history.

The other PP here. I do not know what is meant by One City - I did not vote for the current mayor. 5 incidents over a 15 year period is not a "spike in violent crime." All I am saying is that MPD has limited resources that they have to deploy District wide. If you are saying that we should lock arms and fight for MORE resources so that we can all feel safe, I am 100% with you on that front. But if you are asking that MPD take resources from my neighborhood and deploy them in your neighborhood based on the last couple weeks, I would object to that. My neighborhood is safe but there have been incidents - we live in an urban area with high density. But I do not beleive in taking from Peter to pay Paul. THAT was my point.

"Flooding the zone" does not mean a prolonged re-deployment of police resources or a permanent garrison. It does mean a surge of police boots and other resources for a limited time to ensure that the spike/unusual criminal activity is neutralized. Then the surge can be put somewhere else that needs extra attention for a while. This is basic stuff, and why modern police departments crunch data like other organizations, so that they can constantly redeploy resources when things flare up -- "peanut-buttering" crime areas won't work.

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Anonymous wrote:everybody should know never go to the zoo the day after easter. sad but true

I'm being naive, I do realize, but what am I missing? Why is that such a hot-button day?

It is African American family day and, somehow, that leads to violence every year, either mobs or stabbings or, this year, shootings. It would be quite useful to investigate why, instead of ignoring these facts.

Except those aren't facts. Shootings and stabbings don't happen every year. In fact, it appears that in 2000 there was a shooting, in 2011 a stabbing, and the latest event which has still not been connected to the zoo.

Bullshit. Read the post by the Starbucks employee in the other thread. Attend the police community meeting tomorrow to discuss last week's harassment and shots. It is essentially every year, in one shape or another.

I read that post. It didn't say anything about shootings and stabbings every year. What purpose do you have to spread misinformation?

Jeff - this happens every year. The only time it makes the post is when someone is actually shot or stabbed severely enough to make local news. Those of us who live (or lived) anywhere near Woodley or Cleveland Park know to stay away from CT Ave the say after Easter.

Let's just be clear on what "this" is. "This" is not shootings or stabbings. Yes, there are big crowds. Yes, sometimes those crowds are not well-behaved. I wouldn't choose to go to the zoo that day because of the crowds. Shootings and stabbings, thankfully, are rare.

I call BS. If those of us who think there is a pattern of violence or unruly behavior are wrong, you should put your money where your mouth is and go to the zoo next year on Easter Monday with your children in the afternoon/early evening. Spend a little time around the entrance and take some pictures by the zoo sign. Then you can tell us all about how we were wrong! Wouldn't that be the best argument against all those people who take "glee" in these events? (Not buying the crowd thing. I'm sure your children have been in crowds before if you judge it's worthwhile.)

Exactly. BS time is over. Let's see who among the "its just another day at the zoo" crowd takes their family and kids to the zoo next AA family day. Words are cheap, deeds are not.

Life as a blowhard must be fun. Just say whatever you want and never have to worry about facts. It seems like half of you can't even read. What I said is that there haven't been shootings or stabbings every year. If you are claiming there are -- as some posters have -- you are either misinformed or lying. I only go to the zoo a couple of times a year. Why would I pick one of the busiest days of the year? Plus, I have the luxury of being able to go during the week. Why would I go on any weekend?

It is amazing that simply expecting people to be accurate about an event is enough to provoke a 10 page plus thread and this kind of anger. You guys seriously need to take a valium.

Yes, Valium would have been a great defense against these "four spent 9mm casings"
http://m.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-search-for-suspects-motive-in-shooting-outside-national-zoo/2014/04/22/725a0e2a-ca23-11e3-93eb-6c0037dde2ad_story.html

Jeff, what can I say, you are a disgrace.

Another idiot that can't read and doesn't care about facts. Those cartridges were not from this shooting. Are you a habitual liar or is that something new you just started?

What's really disturbing about the article is that it seems that gang members and wannabes are playing out their grudge-matches on new territory, family-friendly Connecticut Avenue and Woodley Park. This is the sort of development that needs to be taken very seriously by the neighborhood, the police and city authorities, with an overwhelming response called for to stop this problem before it continues.

Why? It deserves EXTRA attention because it is Woodley Park and not LeDroit Park? LOL. Recently, there was an 8YO girl who was collateral damage in a shooitng in SE. No outrage from the DCUM crowd although it got plenty of pub "in the AA community" (whatever that is). Here, you had a shooting and the victim was targeted. No collateral damange thank God. But it warrants 13 pages of outrage, insults and argument. Folks, we need to be concerned about these issues across the District. A shooting in Woodley Park should not be "more important" than a shooting in Anacostia or Sursum Corda.

I'm not saying that it is "more important" but it should involve very immediate, focused attention. The reason, according to police leaders, is that when you see a spike in violence and criminal behavior in an area considered "safe" you have to get right on it. It's like a spreading cancer -- and the chances of addressing it are greater before it starts to really take hold. This follows an incident last week in Woodley Park in which there were shots, and police believe that some of the same people returned planned to return to the zoo this week. Finally, the zoo is an iconic destination where families bring their kids. Of course, it is important to address violence there and in the immediate area of the zoo.

I can say that almost every shooting in the District deserves this, no matter what neighborhood it happened in. I understand and somewhat agree if you are saying that the Zoo should get the same level of protection as the National Mall and the like (and they had that on Monday). However, your post implies that Woodley Park is entitled to more police presence and crime fighting resources than other neighborhoods because a crime happened in Woodley Park that "normally" happens in other neighborhoods. That implication is a slippery slope.

That's not what I'm saying. But if the cancer is spreading to a heretofore safe neighborhood, you bet that local government and the police had better do something about it pronto. It's called "flooding the zone." Otherwise, if you say that no areas should get extra attention until all areas are safe you will never get there.

I understand your angst because that is your neighborhhod. But I would hardly say that violent crime is an "epidemic" in Woodley Park. You have one instance where someone randomly shot - no indicated target. And the incident this week involved people from outside Woodley Park targeting people from outside Woodley Park. That could have have happened anywhere where these two bumped into each other. I am all for getting on top of things and making sure that the folks in Woodley Park feel relatively safe. What I do not agree with is flooding the zone there to the detriment of the police resources being dedicated to my neighborhood.

Sorry, but when gang-bangers and other hoodlums appropriate a safe, family-oriented neighborhood -- and the National Zoo of all places on "family day: -- to fight their battles, then it's a big problem for which a zero tolerance approach is needed. This is basic policing strategy. I find it surprising that anyone could object to that concept. I disagree with open carry and stand your ground laws, but when people start to feel unsafe in their neighborhoods and that the local police can't -- or won't -- do something about it, you can see how political support for these measures builds.

Your choice of words is telling. What DC neighborhood isn't "family-oriented"? What makes Woodley Park so special? Paying tons of money for your 300 square foot house doesn't entitle you to be any more safe than folks who live in other areas of DC.

Is this what is meant by "One City", that safety in DC neighborhoods should be a lowest common denominator? Or that when a neighborhood that is historically very safe sees a spike in violent crime that they should just shut up because other neighborhoods have more frequent crime? If so, I'd point out that the crooked buffoon who coined the phrase will soon be history.

The other PP here. I do not know what is meant by One City - I did not vote for the current mayor. 5 incidents over a 15 year period is not a "spike in violent crime." All I am saying is that MPD has limited resources that they have to deploy District wide. If you are saying that we should lock arms and fight for MORE resources so that we can all feel safe, I am 100% with you on that front. But if you are asking that MPD take resources from my neighborhood and deploy them in your neighborhood based on the last couple weeks, I would object to that. My neighborhood is safe but there have been incidents - we live in an urban area with high density. But I do not beleive in taking from Peter to pay Paul. THAT was my point.

"Flooding the zone" does not mean a prolonged re-deployment of police resources or a permanent garrison. It does mean a surge of police boots and other resources for a limited time to ensure that the spike/unusual criminal activity is neutralized. Then the surge can be put somewhere else that needs extra attention for a while. This is basic stuff, and why modern police departments crunch data like other organizations, so that they can constantly redeploy resources when things flare up -- "peanut-buttering" crime areas won't work.

My father was a cop - I am aware of the concept. I am just not sure that the data would lead you to conclude that you need to flood the zone b/c of the last two weeks. If there was an uptick in muggings and the like, you could justify boots on the ground. Maybe there have been surges in street crime - you probably would know. But incidents like the past two weeks are isolated at best - Monday=20,000 additonal people. I live in Crestwood and I drive up Connecticut everyday. I always see a moderate police presence near the zoo and up through Cleveland Park on normal days.

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Could you guys maybe trim your quotes a bit?

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Is this what is meant by "One City", that safety in DC neighborhoods should be a lowest common denominator? Or that when a neighborhood that is historically very safe sees a spike in violent crime that they should just shut up because other neighborhoods have more frequent crime? If so, I'd point out that the crooked buffoon who coined the phrase will soon be history.

When you don't utter a word about the violence happening EVERY DAY in other wards of DC, but suddenly want something done because of violence that occurs every 6 years in your neighborhood, yes, I say STFU.

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"Flooding the zone" does not mean a prolonged re-deployment of police resources or a permanent garrison. It does mean a surge of police boots and other resources for a limited time to ensure that the spike/unusual criminal activity is neutralized. Then the surge can be put somewhere else that needs extra attention for a while. This is basic stuff, and why modern police departments crunch data like other organizations, so that they can constantly redeploy resources when things flare up -- "peanut-buttering" crime areas won't work.

Fear not, little one. Spring break is over so the darkies are back in school.

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"Flooding the zone" does not mean a prolonged re-deployment of police resources or a permanent garrison. It does mean a surge of police boots and other resources for a limited time to ensure that the spike/unusual criminal activity is neutralized. Then the surge can be put somewhere else that needs extra attention for a while. This is basic stuff, and why modern police departments crunch data like other organizations, so that they can constantly redeploy resources when things flare up -- "peanut-buttering" crime areas won't work.

Fear not, little one. Spring break is over so the darkies are back in school.

You are trivializing and mischaracterizing a serious discussion in which bad folks shot into a crowd of people, at or adjacent to an event where many children were present. An "aw, shucks, this is a city attitude" is why DC continues to suffer with the bigotry of low expecations (and why the rest of America continues to regard us as Dysfunctional City").

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Is this what is meant by "One City", that safety in DC neighborhoods should be a lowest common denominator? Or that when a neighborhood that is historically very safe sees a spike in violent crime that they should just shut up because other neighborhoods have more frequent crime? If so, I'd point out that the crooked buffoon who coined the phrase will soon be history.

When you don't utter a word about the violence happening EVERY DAY in other wards of DC, but suddenly want something done because of violence that occurs every 6 years in your neighborhood, yes, I say STFU.

At least people in Woodley Park are organizing for action. What are you doing about the violence happening EVERY DAY, pal? I would say the reason why violent crime is rampant in parts of DC is too many people jus' STFU. And for the record, it was two shootings in one week. Fortunately in the first, which occurred near a school and put it on lockdown, no one was hit.

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jsteele wrote:Could you guys maybe trim your quotes a bit?

How DARE you suggest they trim their quotes?! You are infringing on their free speech.
Also, I'm kind of curious now to see just how tiny it can get. Jeff, have quotes ever gotten smaller than a pixel and just winked out of existence?

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Is this what is meant by "One City", that safety in DC neighborhoods should be a lowest common denominator? Or that when a neighborhood that is historically very safe sees a spike in violent crime that they should just shut up because other neighborhoods have more frequent crime? If so, I'd point out that the crooked buffoon who coined the phrase will soon be history.

When you don't utter a word about the violence happening EVERY DAY in other wards of DC, but suddenly want something done because of violence that occurs every 6 years in your neighborhood, yes, I say STFU.

At least people in Woodley Park are organizing for action. What are you doing about the violence happening EVERY DAY, pal? I would say the reason why violent crime is rampant in parts of DC is too many people jus' STFU. And for the record, it was two shootings in one week. Fortunately in the first, which occurred near a school and put it on lockdown, no one was hit.

Not the PP - but there are quite a few grassroots efforts going on throughout the District about crime and such. I have personally seen Lanier face the community at meetings East of 16th street 2-3 times in the past year. Do not assume that just because you do not pay attention to it (because it is only just now impacting WP), stuff is not happening. People are fed up and it is just not in WP.

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"Flooding the zone" does not mean a prolonged re-deployment of police resources or a permanent garrison. It does mean a surge of police boots and other resources for a limited time to ensure that the spike/unusual criminal activity is neutralized. Then the surge can be put somewhere else that needs extra attention for a while. This is basic stuff, and why modern police departments crunch data like other organizations, so that they can constantly redeploy resources when things flare up -- "peanut-buttering" crime areas won't work.

Fear not, little one. Spring break is over so the darkies are back in school.

You are trivializing and mischaracterizing a serious discussion in which bad folks shot into a crowd of people, at or adjacent to an event where many children were present. An "aw, shucks, this is a city attitude" is why DC continues to suffer with the bigotry of low expecations (and why the rest of America continues to regard us as Dysfunctional City").

The rest of the world considers America dysfunctional with its passion for artillery, violence, and greed that stifles and chokes. 'Aw, shucks' is the whole country's attitude, not just DC.

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Several years ago, some of the businesses in Cleveland Park wanted to add to the neighborhood's eponymous Metro stop the word "Zoo." The idea was that the CP station was almost as close to the zoo as Woodley stop is and merchants were losing out on visitors. With the chaos around the Easter Monday event, that idea has probably deflated like a balloon in the neighborhood....