Any MV families considering a move to Bancroft to avoid horrendous commute next year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gonzaga High School is a few blocks away and the new buildings for NPR and Walmart are nearby. Lots and lots of change going on. Honestly, I think you have just as much of a chance, if not more, of experiencing crime outside of the Target or Columbia Heights Metro. I think they made a good choice given the limited amount of real estate made available by the city. Sure, I'd love to be in a less congested area with lots of green space, but we all know that the city isn't offering up those kinds of properties.

I agree with you that MV had few options and their choice isn't a bad one. Plus, Truxton/NoMa are changing for the better.

However your statement in bold is completely false, if you are talking about serious crime. There was a fatal drive-by shooting in Co Heights a few year's back (2010?) and it made the FRONT PAGE of the Post because it was considered so shocking that such a crime could still occur in CoHi. Whereas drive-bys still happen on a monthly basis in Truxton, and it never makes the news unless a dozen people get shot (as happened a year or so ago). Give me a break.

If you are talking about petty crime, purse snatching, yes, this is more likely in absolute numbers in CoHi, because CoHi is the most densely populated neighborhood in the city and has the most foot traffic. But it is much safer on a per capita basis than Truxton.

I wish people would look at data before they started throwing around what they perceive to be the truth. Check out http://crimemap.dc.gov/. If you use MV's current location and look for annual stats for violent crime w/i 1500 feet, you'll see that in 2013, there were 137 incidents of violent crime. If you do the same analysis for MV's future home (30 P St NW), you'll see 47 incidents of violent crime. Nearly 3x as many in the area around its current location.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gonzaga High School is a few blocks away and the new buildings for NPR and Walmart are nearby. Lots and lots of change going on. Honestly, I think you have just as much of a chance, if not more, of experiencing crime outside of the Target or Columbia Heights Metro. I think they made a good choice given the limited amount of real estate made available by the city. Sure, I'd love to be in a less congested area with lots of green space, but we all know that the city isn't offering up those kinds of properties.

I agree with you that MV had few options and their choice isn't a bad one. Plus, Truxton/NoMa are changing for the better.

However your statement in bold is completely false, if you are talking about serious crime. There was a fatal drive-by shooting in Co Heights a few year's back (2010?) and it made the FRONT PAGE of the Post because it was considered so shocking that such a crime could still occur in CoHi. Whereas drive-bys still happen on a monthly basis in Truxton, and it never makes the news unless a dozen people get shot (as happened a year or so ago). Give me a break.

If you are talking about petty crime, purse snatching, yes, this is more likely in absolute numbers in CoHi, because CoHi is the most densely populated neighborhood in the city and has the most foot traffic. But it is much safer on a per capita basis than Truxton.

I wish people would look at data before they started throwing around what they perceive to be the truth. Check out http://crimemap.dc.gov/. If you use MV's current location and look for annual stats for violent crime w/i 1500 feet, you'll see that in 2013, there were 137 incidents of violent crime. If you do the same analysis for MV's future home (30 P St NW), you'll see 47 incidents of violent crime. Nearly 3x as many in the area around its current location.

PP here, I just noticed that the system defaulted to only 1000 feet when I did the second query. The number should be 92 in 2013 for violent crime within 1500 feet of 30 P NW. Higher, to be sure, and I apologize for the error. But still significantly lower than the current location.

[Anonymous]

How about kid-trailer bicycling? Are there bike lanes nearby, or is the N Capitol sidewalk wide enough? I'm thinking from the Petworth area.

[Anonymous]

If I were coming from Petworth I would probably take the 5th street bike lane down Park Pl. to the reservoir, through Howard and then figure it out at Florida. I imagine it is not very bike friendly at that intersection, but if you can get over that hump and to the bike lane at 5th again and on to Q you should be ok. Although I don't think I would actually do it with a trailer unless you can find a good solution at Florida...maybe T to 6th street and then over to 5th? I personally would not take N. Capitol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I were coming from Petworth I would probably take the 5th street bike lane down Park Pl. to the reservoir, through Howard and then figure it out at Florida. I imagine it is not very bike friendly at that intersection, but if you can get over that hump and to the bike lane at 5th again and on to Q you should be ok. Although I don't think I would actually do it with a trailer unless you can find a good solution at Florida...maybe T to 6th street and then over to 5th? I personally would not take N. Capitol.

yeah, I would try this, or maybe I would cut east earlier (across the top of the reservoir, michigan, using sidewalks on the reservoir side) and then come down First NW thru Bloomingdale instead of using N Cap. First is not an easy option now due to the DC Water construction but should be back as an option soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gonzaga High School is a few blocks away and the new buildings for NPR and Walmart are nearby. Lots and lots of change going on. Honestly, I think you have just as much of a chance, if not more, of experiencing crime outside of the Target or Columbia Heights Metro. I think they made a good choice given the limited amount of real estate made available by the city. Sure, I'd love to be in a less congested area with lots of green space, but we all know that the city isn't offering up those kinds of properties.

I agree with you that MV had few options and their choice isn't a bad one. Plus, Truxton/NoMa are changing for the better.

However your statement in bold is completely false, if you are talking about serious crime. There was a fatal drive-by shooting in Co Heights a few year's back (2010?) and it made the FRONT PAGE of the Post because it was considered so shocking that such a crime could still occur in CoHi. Whereas drive-bys still happen on a monthly basis in Truxton, and it never makes the news unless a dozen people get shot (as happened a year or so ago). Give me a break.

If you are talking about petty crime, purse snatching, yes, this is more likely in absolute numbers in CoHi, because CoHi is the most densely populated neighborhood in the city and has the most foot traffic. But it is much safer on a per capita basis than Truxton.

I wish people would look at data before they started throwing around what they perceive to be the truth. Check out http://crimemap.dc.gov/. If you use MV's current location and look for annual stats for violent crime w/i 1500 feet, you'll see that in 2013, there were 137 incidents of violent crime. If you do the same analysis for MV's future home (30 P St NW), you'll see 47 incidents of violent crime. Nearly 3x as many in the area around its current location.

PP here, I just noticed that the system defaulted to only 1000 feet when I did the second query. The number should be 92 in 2013 for violent crime within 1500 feet of 30 P NW. Higher, to be sure, and I apologize for the error. But still significantly lower than the current location.

I respect your willingness to do research here, but I think you missed the bold underlined part of what I wrote above. CoHi is a lot more densely populated and you have to take that into account. People make the same mistake trying to argue that Trinidad is less dangerous than CoHi, again using the crime map absolute numbers. Take a look at it on a per capita basis.

Plus, even if we use absolute numbers, do the crime map exercise again using homicides and you will see zero at the old MV location, since they started the data in 2011, versus 8 in the new location, over the same time period.

Note that in the crime map, purse snatching and phone snatching is considered violent crime (as it should be). It is categorized as "robbery, no gun". But it's a lot different when a gun is involved, and even worse when a gun is fired, and that happens a lot more often in Truxton and Trinidad than it does in Co Hi even on an absolute basis, not to mention per capita basis.

In conclusion: absolute numbers of non-gun violent crime is higher in CoHi but both absolute and per capita prevalence of gun crime and homicide are higher in Truxton (and Trinidad, and Park View, and, and...).

[Anonymous]

This has turned into a really tedious thread.

[Anonymous]

oh for the love of god...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gonzaga High School is a few blocks away and the new buildings for NPR and Walmart are nearby. Lots and lots of change going on. Honestly, I think you have just as much of a chance, if not more, of experiencing crime outside of the Target or Columbia Heights Metro. I think they made a good choice given the limited amount of real estate made available by the city. Sure, I'd love to be in a less congested area with lots of green space, but we all know that the city isn't offering up those kinds of properties.

I agree with you that MV had few options and their choice isn't a bad one. Plus, Truxton/NoMa are changing for the better.

However your statement in bold is completely false, if you are talking about serious crime. There was a fatal drive-by shooting in Co Heights a few year's back (2010?) and it made the FRONT PAGE of the Post because it was considered so shocking that such a crime could still occur in CoHi. Whereas drive-bys still happen on a monthly basis in Truxton, and it never makes the news unless a dozen people get shot (as happened a year or so ago). Give me a break.

If you are talking about petty crime, purse snatching, yes, this is more likely in absolute numbers in CoHi, because CoHi is the most densely populated neighborhood in the city and has the most foot traffic. But it is much safer on a per capita basis than Truxton.

I wish people would look at data before they started throwing around what they perceive to be the truth. Check out http://crimemap.dc.gov/. If you use MV's current location and look for annual stats for violent crime w/i 1500 feet, you'll see that in 2013, there were 137 incidents of violent crime. If you do the same analysis for MV's future home (30 P St NW), you'll see 47 incidents of violent crime. Nearly 3x as many in the area around its current location.

PP here, I just noticed that the system defaulted to only 1000 feet when I did the second query. The number should be 92 in 2013 for violent crime within 1500 feet of 30 P NW. Higher, to be sure, and I apologize for the error. But still significantly lower than the current location.

I respect your willingness to do research here, but I think you missed the bold underlined part of what I wrote above. CoHi is a lot more densely populated and you have to take that into account. People make the same mistake trying to argue that Trinidad is less dangerous than CoHi, again using the crime map absolute numbers. Take a look at it on a per capita basis.

Plus, even if we use absolute numbers, do the crime map exercise again using homicides and you will see zero at the old MV location, since they started the data in 2011, versus 8 in the new location, over the same time period.

Note that in the crime map, purse snatching and phone snatching is considered violent crime (as it should be). It is categorized as "robbery, no gun". But it's a lot different when a gun is involved, and even worse when a gun is fired, and that happens a lot more often in Truxton and Trinidad than it does in Co Hi even on an absolute basis, not to mention per capita basis.

In conclusion: absolute numbers of non-gun violent crime is higher in CoHi but both absolute and per capita prevalence of gun crime and homicide are higher in Truxton (and Trinidad, and Park View, and, and...).

If you are that concerned about crime DO NOT APPLY.

Even if you apply, your chances of getting in are very low so don't worry about how much you hate the new location.

Ye gads!!!

[Anonymous]

There's also the issue that not every neighborhood reports crime to the police in the same way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's also the issue that not every neighborhood reports crime to the police in the same way.

+1. I used to live in a terrible neighborhood in Philly, but you'd never know that by looking at a crime map. No one was going to call the cops re: crime -- the cops either wouldn't bother coming anyway, or were in on it themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone keeping MV off their list because of the neighborhood?

Yes, the area is full of shootings, drug dealers, social service agencies, homeless people, etc. You don't want to bring your precious snowflake into the ghetto that's gasp, near poor people who live in housing projects! Don't apply for your kids' safety!

I'm hoping the location keeps a lot of people from applying, so that my kid has a great chance at getting in! Yay me!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone keeping MV off their list because of the neighborhood?

Yes, the area is full of shootings, drug dealers, social service agencies, homeless people, etc. You don't want to bring your precious snowflake into the ghetto that's gasp, near poor people who live in housing projects! Don't apply for your kids' safety!

I'm hoping the location keeps a lot of people from applying, so that my kid has a great chance at getting in! Yay me!!!

Good luck in the lottery!

For the rest especially crime mom, above: The neighborhood is terrible . Really. We live around there and there are drive-bys ALL THE TIME. If they don't get you the homeless will. Stay away!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone keeping MV off their list because of the neighborhood?

Yes, the area is full of shootings, drug dealers, social service agencies, homeless people, etc. You don't want to bring your precious snowflake into the ghetto that's gasp, near poor people who live in housing projects! Don't apply for your kids' safety!

I'm hoping the location keeps a lot of people from applying, so that my kid has a great chance at getting in! Yay me!!!

Good luck in the lottery!

For the rest especially crime mom, above: The neighborhood is terrible . Really. We live around there and there are drive-bys ALL THE TIME. If they don't get you the homeless will. Stay away!

There are also zombies, Bigfoot AND the Yeti, and rabid animals running loose. Luckily, because my kid was born EoTP, he has a natural immunity to all of these things. I'd fear for our families lives otherwise.

[Anonymous]

well, good luck.