What or who exactly is a "cornball brother"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Guess what, OP? Most blacks vote Democratic and marry in their race. So, yes, a black Republican who is to marry a white woman is unusual. Is that really so hard for you to understand?

"marry in their race" ?? ouch , that's a slap from the past.

In Washington most people marry within their SES and professional cirlce. White's marrying Asians, Blacks marrying people from India, Whites marrying people from India, whites marrying blacks . Race does not seem to matter as much in Washington as what law firm you work for , where you went to Grad school and what is your professional trajectory.

"marry in your race" what a limiting prorposition....

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Anonymous wrote:Well cornball negro above you really do have issues. I am nine of Fifteen on your list. LOL, and I have never had a problem in my community of Black friends, families, and colleagues. I also have not had a problem among my white friends and colleagues. You my dear have serious issues within yourself. Stop blaming others for your weaknesses.

Live long and stop self hating.

+1000. I meet 8 of that criteria and I have friends who meet even more. And none of us have issues with having our blackness questioned. The diversity of African Americans in DC is my favorite thing about the city. Just the other day I had a long conversation with an older black woman on metro about our love of star Trek when she noticed an item I was carrying. That would never happen where I grew up. If you live in DC and can't see how evident it is that blacks are NOT a monolithic group, then I'd also say the majority of the problem lies with you.

PP, I'll never forget sharing fries early on in Bush 2 (pre- war on terror; the administration was just setting itself up) with a couple of AA women friends. When I mentioned Condoleeza Rice's ascendency to power they acted as if the she-devil had entered the room. Condoleeza Rice has always struck me as an extremely accomplished woman who has a lot to be proud of. Now way was I going to mention that over fries... Not only the level of hatred but also the qualitative nature of the hatred (not based on her opposing views but she was a sell-out etc.) quelled discussion. As a non AA I would not be 'banished', but it could have meant the end of a friendship I cherished. Is that the diversity you mean?

Your comment might have been interpreted the same as when a white person says to a black person ," you know I really like Bark Obama...he's so well spoken" As in, " I see Condaleeza Rice has been selected as National Security advisor....see a black woman HAS BEEN been appointed "

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^*they're* light skinned blacks...

Is Michelle Obama light skin. She and I are roughly the same complexion.

No.

[Anonymous]

I said I wouldn't be back, but 14:06 I had to respond to your post. I grew up in an area where yes, speaking correct English etc was looked down upon so I don't deny these issues exist. Hell, I grew up with my own identity Issues because of it. But again, I dont know how you can live in DC and say that only negative stereotypes are embraced. This city has one of the most educated black populations in the world. Many of my friends are black women, but we couldnt be any more different, whether it comes to our style, hobbies or our taste in men (or women!). This is one of the few cities I've lived in where it's ok for a black person to have their own distinct personality and to think as an individual. I'm sad for you that you haven't experienced the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Well cornball negro above you really do have issues. I am nine of Fifteen on your list. LOL, and I have never had a problem in my community of Black friends, families, and colleagues. I also have not had a problem among my white friends and colleagues. You my dear have serious issues within yourself. Stop blaming others for your weaknesses.

Live long and stop self hating.

+1000. I meet 8 of that criteria and I have friends who meet even more. And none of us have issues with having our blackness questioned. The diversity of African Americans in DC is my favorite thing about the city. Just the other day I had a long conversation with an older black woman on metro about our love of star Trek when she noticed an item I was carrying. That would never happen where I grew up. If you live in DC and can't see how evident it is that blacks are NOT a monolithic group, then I'd also say the majority of the problem lies with you.

PP, I'll never forget sharing fries early on in Bush 2 (pre- war on terror; the administration was just setting itself up) with a couple of AA women friends. When I mentioned Condoleeza Rice's ascendency to power they acted as if the she-devil had entered the room. Condoleeza Rice has always struck me as an extremely accomplished woman who has a lot to be proud of. Now way was I going to mention that over fries... Not only the level of hatred but also the qualitative nature of the hatred (not based on her opposing views but she was a sell-out etc.) quelled discussion. As a non AA I would not be 'banished', but it could have meant the end of a friendship I cherished. Is that the diversity you mean?

Your comment might have been interpreted the same as when a white person says to a black person ," you know I really like Bark Obama...he's so well spoken" As in, " I see Condaleeza Rice has been selected as National Security advisor....see a black woman HAS BEEN been appointed "


Sure, that's why I didn't say anything. Nobody wanted to get into the accomplished pianist, civil rights history, Stanford, football afficionado, great taste in boots, or differing political views.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I said I wouldn't be back, but 14:06 I had to respond to your post. I grew up in an area where yes, speaking correct English etc was looked down upon so I don't deny these issues exist. Hell, I grew up with my own identity Issues because of it. But again, I dont know how you can live in DC and say that only negative stereotypes are embraced. This city has one of the most educated black populations in the world. Many of my friends are black women, but we couldnt be any more different, whether it comes to our style, hobbies or our taste in men (or women!). This is one of the few cities I've lived in where it's ok for a black person to have their own distinct personality and to think as an individual. I'm sad for you that you haven't experienced the same.

PP do you have any conservative thinking black friends that you engage in regular back and forth with? Not conservative as in church-going, but conservative as in politics and economics? As in, I went to the polls and voted Romney unapologetically? Do you engage with that? Because my cornball brother husband was told by random people on the street he was "brave" for wearing a Romney sticker on election day.

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You just called your husband a 'corporate thug'? I wonder if part of the issue is that in mainstream America the holdover of WASP culture is still what most people aspire to. While WASPS themselves are fading in their ascendancy (I just finished reading "Cheerful Money" about the last gasp of the real, original WASPS-highly, highly recommend), most don't mind the idea of their lifestyle updated for the 20th c. (racial inclusiveness, gay rights etc.) A college degree, romantic love, civility and manners. When a community emphasizes this it's not going to harm their kids in the long run even if their kids rebel a little. Is this "he is my corporate thug" a form of poetry? The lingo and imagery of thuggery (with its mysogyny, its violence, its nihilism) should not hold the day. Remember early hip-hop"? Remember when it wasn't all about being a thug? Remember when it was poetry, creativity, thoughtful discussion and protest, at times a little bit silly? Maybe the positive hip-hop is cornball. The cornball brothers I know would bristle at being, in any way, associated with the term 'thug'. I guess that's why you're not married to one!

Nah, that's what you wanted to hear. I said my husband could handle his business and take and make his money in the corporate world most comfortably. He earns enough to allow me to SAH if I had the mindset and still put money into a 529. And, if necessary he could handle his business and take care of his family outside of the corporate America. But, you need not be of a Black man comfortable in your oneness to live and exist in varying worlds. I know plenty of white men who are just as comfortable, but of course you would never invupision them in your hip hop videos. You are right, I would not have dated or married a cornball of any race.

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Anonymous wrote:I said I wouldn't be back, but 14:06 I had to respond to your post. I grew up in an area where yes, speaking correct English etc was looked down upon so I don't deny these issues exist. Hell, I grew up with my own identity Issues because of it. But again, I dont know how you can live in DC and say that only negative stereotypes are embraced. This city has one of the most educated black populations in the world. Many of my friends are black women, but we couldnt be any more different, whether it comes to our style, hobbies or our taste in men (or women!). This is one of the few cities I've lived in where it's ok for a black person to have their own distinct personality and to think as an individual. I'm sad for you that you haven't experienced the same.

PP do you have any conservative thinking black friends that you engage in regular back and forth with? Not conservative as in church-going, but conservative as in politics and economics? As in, I went to the polls and voted Romney unapologetically? Do you engage with that? Because my cornball brother husband was told by random people on the street he was "brave" for wearing a Romney sticker on election day.

I am the poster married to the MBA corporate thug. I actually laughed at your post. I would never vote for the likes of Mitt Romney. However, I do admire Ron Paul and it was my white girlfriends who looked at me as though I had horns growing out of my forehead when discussing the politics.

PP I think you spend too much time rationalizing why or why not people just don't like your husband. Race may be the least of the reason, but a convenient excuse.

[Anonymous]

Good for you. Did you express your admiration to your black friends? That's kind of the thrust of this post....

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Anonymous wrote:^^*they're* light skinned blacks...

Is Michelle Obama light skin. She and I are roughly the same complexion.

No.

But she's not remotely dark-skinned either.

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Anonymous wrote:[quote=Anonymous

You just called your husband a 'corporate thug'? I wonder if part of the issue is that in mainstream America the holdover of WASP culture is still what most people aspire to. While WASPS themselves are fading in their ascendancy (I just finished reading "Cheerful Money" about the last gasp of the real, original WASPS-highly, highly recommend), most don't mind the idea of their lifestyle updated for the 20th c. (racial inclusiveness, gay rights etc.) A college degree, romantic love, civility and manners. When a community emphasizes this it's not going to harm their kids in the long run even if their kids rebel a little. Is this "he is my corporate thug" a form of poetry? The lingo and imagery of thuggery (with its mysogyny, its violence, its nihilism) should not hold the day. Remember early hip-hop"? Remember when it wasn't all about being a thug? Remember when it was poetry, creativity, thoughtful discussion and protest, at times a little bit silly? Maybe the positive hip-hop is cornball. The cornball brothers I know would bristle at being, in any way, associated with the term 'thug'. I guess that's why you're not married to one!

Nah, that's what you wanted to hear. I said my husband could handle his business and take and make his money in the corporate world most comfortably. He earns enough to allow me to SAH if I had the mindset and still put money into a 529. And, if necessary he could handle his business and take care of his family outside of the corporate America. But, you need not be of a Black man comfortable in your oneness to live and exist in varying worlds. I know plenty of white men who are just as comfortable, but of course you would never invupision them in your hip hop videos. You are right, I would not have dated or married a cornball of any race.

If only anyone could decipher what PP has written.

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Anonymous wrote:[quote=Anonymous

You just called your husband a 'corporate thug'? I wonder if part of the issue is that in mainstream America the holdover of WASP culture is still what most people aspire to. While WASPS themselves are fading in their ascendancy (I just finished reading "Cheerful Money" about the last gasp of the real, original WASPS-highly, highly recommend), most don't mind the idea of their lifestyle updated for the 20th c. (racial inclusiveness, gay rights etc.) A college degree, romantic love, civility and manners. When a community emphasizes this it's not going to harm their kids in the long run even if their kids rebel a little. Is this "he is my corporate thug" a form of poetry? The lingo and imagery of thuggery (with its mysogyny, its violence, its nihilism) should not hold the day. Remember early hip-hop"? Remember when it wasn't all about being a thug? Remember when it was poetry, creativity, thoughtful discussion and protest, at times a little bit silly? Maybe the positive hip-hop is cornball. The cornball brothers I know would bristle at being, in any way, associated with the term 'thug'. I guess that's why you're not married to one!

Nah, that's what you wanted to hear. I said my husband could handle his business and take and make his money in the corporate world most comfortably. He earns enough to allow me to SAH if I had the mindset and still put money into a 529. And, if necessary he could handle his business and take care of his family outside of the corporate America. But, you need not be of a Black man comfortable in your oneness to live and exist in varying worlds. I know plenty of white men who are just as comfortable, but of course you would never invupision them in your hip hop videos. You are right, I would not have dated or married a cornball of any race.

If only anyone could decipher what PP has written.

Are you not comfortable in your oneness?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Watch Soledad's, "Black in America" tonight on CNN. The documentary will touch on this issue of "blackness".

Look I'm a multicultural activists. So, I deal with racial issues on a daily basis. The list that the poster came up with is a reality and the big elephant in the room that the black community doesn't want to discuss. Those who are on the receiving in of intra-racism do suffer. I can understand why some black people isolate themselves from other blacks. Who wants to be around people who will not accept you for who you are? However, this form of isolation creates the division that is within our communities. Read, "Come On People" by Dr. Bill Cosby. He spoke on the issue about how blacks have allowed ghettoization to respresent our culture and we make fun of those who don't perpetuate the ghetto persona. We are the only group of people who demonize each other for behaving classy. As if only whites are classy and we must maintain this ghetto thuggish or buffoonery lifestyle. Why do you think you see so many blacks in the DC area embracing negative stereotypes? It is because we accept it as "black culture". A black man like Griffin possesses class and grace, but we pitch a fit and cry, "His a cornball". It is this type of thought process which makes me say, "Damn, what the heck is wrong with my people?"


If us blacks are not willing to admit that we do mistreat other blacks who don't fall in line with the black community, then you are either being in denial or you're one of the bullies who bully other blacks that you consider not "black enough" (whatever the Hell that means). Intra-racism does exist within the black community. It's actually worst than white supremacy in my book. Yes, we all know that blacks are not a monolithic group. However, it doesn't appear that the black community is accepting of the diversity because they want to beat other blacks with the "you're a cornball or you're not black enough" whip. The Guardians of All Things Black & Lovely will always make sure that every black person will ascribe to their close-minded views on what and who is black. Don't sit here and ignore the fact that blacks who don't appeal to their point of views are very much ostracized and demonized within the black community. I remembered when President Obama first came upon the political scene blacks put his behind through the "black enough" test. Even Jesse Jackson wanted to grab him by his balls. The hatred was accepted because Jesse Jackson was considered a "real black man" he had to put Obama in check. This is just one example. You have to walk on egg shells when you're around some black folks because we know that we will loose friends and become demonized. Some of us have to live in the closet. I'm not talking about homosexuality. I'm talking about the racial closet of being black, but not ascribing to the beliefs system of the black community. Yes, some of us wear masks in order to fit in. We have to Waltz between mainstream America and still maintain our "street cred" so that the Guardians of All Things Black & Lovely don't turn against us.

This is such bullshit I can't believe it. First of all, I consider myself unapologetically black. I am proud of being black. No one I know thinks that Jesse Jackson speaks for us. He is such a has been. What black people do you know who "demonize" each other for having class. What the hell are you talking about? Almost every black person I know is upper class, but I don't see them as feeling like they are different than the broader community. Do I pass judgement on some black people, yes. Do I think that there is absolutely a ghettoization of our culture, yes, I do.

Did anyone I know question Obama's blackness, ah NO! Do I question Clarence Thomas' blackness - no. Do I think he's an idiot? Yes. Do I believe in God - no. I'm agnostic. I've never felt like black people have turned their back on me because of it. I always tell people that AAs are way too religious.

What the litmus test is that one should have an appreciation for what it's like to be black in America. That might lead you to different conclusions, but don't act like racism no longer exists or that affirmative action helped you, but shouldn't help anyone else (in the case of Clarence Thomas).

Why would you use this forum to express your displeasure? Ok, they called him a cornball. So what. He's a cornball, that doesn't take anything away from him being black. What's the big deal. I grew up in Howard County next to a horse club. I sound like a white girl. So what. That doesn't take anything away from me being black. I don't care what you call me. I'm black and proud.

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Sure, that's why I didn't say anything. Nobody wanted to get into the accomplished pianist, civil rights history, Stanford, football afficionado, great taste in boots, or differing political views.

What does this even mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Watch Soledad's, "Black in America" tonight on CNN. The documentary will touch on this issue of "blackness".

Look I'm a multicultural activistst. So, I deal with racial issues on a daily basis. The list that the poster came up with is a reality and the big elephant in the room that the black community doesn't want to discuss. Yes, some of us wear masks in order to fit in. We have to Waltz between mainstream America and still maintain our "street cred" so that the Guardians of All Things Black & Lovely don't turn against us.

This is such bullshit I can't believe it. First of all, I consider myself unapologetically black. I am proud of being black. No one I know thinks that Jesse Jackson speaks for us. He is such a has been. What black people do you know who "demonize" each other for having class. What the hell are you talking about? Almost every black person I know is upper class, but I don't see them as feeling like they are different than the broader community. Do I pass judgement on some black people, yes. Do I think that there is absolutely a ghettoization of our culture, yes, I do.

Did anyone I know question Obama's blackness, ah NO! Do I question Clarence Thomas' blackness - no. Do I think he's an idiot? Yes. Do I believe in God - no. I'm agnostic. I've never felt like black people have turned their back on me because of it. I always tell people that AAs are way too religious.

What the litmus test is that one should have an appreciation for what it's like to be black in America. That might lead you to different conclusions, but don't act like racism no longer exists or that affirmative action helped you, but shouldn't help anyone else (in the case of Clarence Thomas).

Why would you use this forum to express your displeasure? Ok, they called him a cornball. So what. He's a cornball, that doesn't take anything away from him being black. What's the big deal. I grew up in Howard County next to a horse club. I sound like a white girl. So what. That doesn't take anything away from me being black. I don't care what you call me. I'm black and proud.

I'm not the first PP-- You grew up next to a "horse club"? I'm trying to follow you but honestly you sound completely inarticulate (sorry, but it's apt here.) I think that you really aren't in the affected class. You probably are light-skinned and have been suitably worshipped by all for your cafe au lait-ness, and consequently have no awareness of the hurt of your darker brethren. And you are committing the unpardonable sin, imo, of not validating a fellow black person's legitimate feeling of rejection and hurt. I sense there's very little chance of getting this point across to you, unfortunately, you completely lack self-awareness. Several people here are refuting your claim that none of this exists.