Deloitte and Zoom Cut Paid Family Leave

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Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

Corporations don't care. They follow the current administration and will do what they think is best to help themselves. If Project 2025 called for stoning women, they'd be all in.

This isn’t about politics. It’s about the labor market. The market for job seekers is bad, so employers don’t have to compete with these types of benefits to get employees. It’s why leave needs to be government-mandated.

THIS. This is the most important takeaway here. Big companies know there’s a recession coming so they won’t need great benefits to attract employees anymore.

Yah, maybe. But bad press is also a thing and this isn't a good look for these two companies. I love how Gen Z will turn down jobs on principle.

I love how Gen Z can afford to do this.

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Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

Not the PP who said it, but I worked at a law firm where an associate took paternity leave after his wife had a baby. He used that time to travel around for athletic events, never returned from paternity leave, and wasn't required to pay it back. I don't know if it's fraudulent, but he wasn't using the time to stay home and bond with his baby, which seems like the intent.

Makes no difference to the employer whether he’s spending time with the baby or traveling around. He had a qualifying life event and used the leave. Employer spends the same amount either way.

Some rogue example like this is a horrific reason contrary to public policy to end or limit paternity leave.

+1 Some ignorant posters should learn that the difference between anonymous anecdotes and data driven analysis of outcomes of parental leave policies. The outcome of healthier babies/kids and more productive parents is something that has been well-documented.

I don't know why anonymous randos on DCUM should know this when it appears that this entire Presidential administration doesn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

Well my last job the VP with a ton of RSUs did it then made up some mumbo jumbo he needed max leave and did FMLA 12 weeks combined with two weeks vacation, He had actually started another full time job the very week he left. He had a bunch of unvested RSUs he wanted vested and hang on for annual bonus. He came back and gave two weeks notice. since we were remote not that it matter.

Next guy took it when he got his GF pregnant. His wife was not happy, neither was his GF as he spent at time we gave two weeks, his time in Vegas with a third girl.

A guy who worked for me took a BabyMoon with his bros, came back and said hey HR said no requirement I stay with kids.

You know what I think is better take it away from men and give women more paid time off.

So basically you have no data to cite, but just anecdotes from an anonymous remote workplace that you don't name that you think should drive policies for millions of Americans. Hope you're not employed in any field that involves analysis of information.

You can always count on J1/J2 to weigh in.

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Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

No, you have the baby, but then give it up for adoption after the leave is over.

I adopted an infant for the parental leave, but then returned it when the leave was over. The baby wasn't a good fit for our family anyway, so I was glad to get rid of it. I got a dog instead.

You guys crack me up

+1 Did you return the baby at Whole Foods, the Staples dropoff point or UPS?

Be sure you order from a place that doesn’t require you to have kept the original packaging for the return.

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I forgot to keep the placenta and could only return the baby for store credit. Lesson learned.

Get the baby from Costco next time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

Corporations don't care. They follow the current administration and will do what they think is best to help themselves. If Project 2025 called for stoning women, they'd be all in.

Turn to page 394.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

Grandpa is correct though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

Grandpa is correct though.

Oh, do tell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

Corporations don't care. They follow the current administration and will do what they think is best to help themselves. If Project 2025 called for stoning women, they'd be all in.

This isn’t about politics. It’s about the labor market. The market for job seekers is bad, so employers don’t have to compete with these types of benefits to get employees. It’s why leave needs to be government-mandated.

THIS. This is the most important takeaway here. Big companies know there’s a recession coming so they won’t need great benefits to attract employees anymore.

Yah, maybe. But bad press is also a thing and this isn't a good look for these two companies. I love how Gen Z will turn down jobs on principle.

I love how Gen Z can afford to do this.

Between Door Dash and Uber gigs they're wishing, hoping and praying for student loan forgiveness that's just about to happen any moment. Then they can really live.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

Not the PP who said it, but I worked at a law firm where an associate took paternity leave after his wife had a baby. He used that time to travel around for athletic events, never returned from paternity leave, and wasn't required to pay it back. I don't know if it's fraudulent, but he wasn't using the time to stay home and bond with his baby, which seems like the intent.

Makes no difference to the employer whether he’s spending time with the baby or traveling around. He had a qualifying life event and used the leave. Employer spends the same amount either way.

Some rogue example like this is a horrific reason contrary to public policy to end or limit paternity leave.

+1 Some ignorant posters should learn that the difference between anonymous anecdotes and data driven analysis of outcomes of parental leave policies. The outcome of healthier babies/kids and more productive parents is something that has been well-documented.

I don't know why anonymous randos on DCUM should know this when it appears that this entire Presidential administration doesn't.

The sum total of what this Presidential admin should know but doesn’t know could reach from Earth to Jupiter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

Corporations don't care. They follow the current administration and will do what they think is best to help themselves. If Project 2025 called for stoning women, they'd be all in.

This isn’t about politics. It’s about the labor market. The market for job seekers is bad, so employers don’t have to compete with these types of benefits to get employees. It’s why leave needs to be government-mandated.

THIS. This is the most important takeaway here. Big companies know there’s a recession coming so they won’t need great benefits to attract employees anymore.

Yah, maybe. But bad press is also a thing and this isn't a good look for these two companies. I love how Gen Z will turn down jobs on principle.

I love how Gen Z can afford to do this.

Between Door Dash and Uber gigs they're wishing, hoping and praying for student loan forgiveness that's just about to happen any moment. Then they can really live.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why they wouldn’t just shorten it rather than eliminate it

They did not eliminate it—if you read the article Zoom shortened paid leave from 22 to 18 weeks and Deloitte if I recall, shifted it from 16 to 8 (or 12 to 6) and you can have the remainder of the original amount via disability. I believe disability pays at 65%?

I do feel for affected employees but would guess that the modified policies are still better than the vast majority of corporations.

Better than mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

someone was just on here talking about scheduling some vacations while out on family leave, while others pick up and cover their absence while recovering and bonding, so yes.

Well, during my leave I went out to the restaurants, outdoor festivals, spent some time with my relatives in PA - do you think it was fraudulent because I wasn’t staying home barefoot?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

No, you have the baby, but then give it up for adoption after the leave is over.

I adopted an infant for the parental leave, but then returned it when the leave was over. The baby wasn't a good fit for our family anyway, so I was glad to get rid of it. I got a dog instead.

You guys crack me up

+1 Did you return the baby at Whole Foods, the Staples dropoff point or UPS?

I dropped mine at the UPS store because I didn't have the box it came in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

No, you have the baby, but then give it up for adoption after the leave is over.

I adopted an infant for the parental leave, but then returned it when the leave was over. The baby wasn't a good fit for our family anyway, so I was glad to get rid of it. I got a dog instead.

You guys crack me up

+1 Did you return the baby at Whole Foods, the Staples dropoff point or UPS?

One of those lazy Susan thingies at the firehouse, where anyone can deposit a baby, no questions asked.

Oh, the take-a-baby leave-a-baby tray!

We put our baby in the Little Free Library/Orphanage on the corner when we were done with paternity leave. Sometimes I check to see if there is a baby in there I am interested in, but so far, no.

This actually made me laugh out loud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a woman, I think paternity leave is fantastic. It should be equal in length to maternity leave, and men should be strongly encouraged or even required to take the full amount.

I wish we had the set up other countries had where you get a few weeks of concurrent leave and then parents have to take their leave separately. So both parents are home when the baby is born, then usually dad goes to work while mom stays home for a bit (makes sense since women are still recovering from birth plus if they breastfeed that's a critical time), then mom goes to work while Dad stays home alone with the baby, then baby goes into childcare.

Having parents take concurrent leave sometimes doesn't actually help with men stepping up because people revert to traditional roles and the mom still does most things and dad "helps". If men have to take parental leave alone with the baby, they figure out how to do it and become more confident, competent parents. That is what makes the difference in countries where men participate in parenting more equally -- they aren't just around, they are taking on an independent role.

This also helps women with returning to work since she's leaving the baby with Dad instead of a stranger. It's harder fur women due to hormones, so bridging the gap with a family caregiver can make a big difference in women returning to the workforce and also adjusting to leaving their babies in someone else's care.