Deloitte and Zoom Cut Paid Family Leave

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Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

No, you have the baby, but then give it up for adoption after the leave is over.

NO ONE goes through pregnancy just for the parental leave and then gives the baby up for adoption.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

Corporations don't care. They follow the current administration and will do what they think is best to help themselves. If Project 2025 called for stoning women, they'd be all in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Life keeps getting harder for American working parents.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/11/upshot/family-leave-cuts-deloitte-zoom.htmlWhy Two Big Companies Just Cut Paid Family Leave
Deloitte and Zoom are among the employers reducing support for working parents, signaling a retreat from a “golden age of benefits.”

Not long ago, employers were competing over who could be most generous in providing family-friendly benefits — things like paid parental leave, subsidized fertility treatments and even pet insurance. Paid leave was expanded to people who hadn’t gotten it before, like fathers and hourly workers.

Now, some companies are reconsidering.

The share of U.S. employers offering paid family leave dropped two percentage points in 2025, to 31 percent, according to an annual survey by the Society for Human Resource Management.

At least two large companies, Deloitte and Zoom, recently said they were cutting back the level of family leave they offered. At Deloitte, the cuts apply to people in certain administrative roles, and it is also reducing vacation time and eliminating financial support for adoption, surrogacy and I.V.F. for those employees.

The move could particularly affect female workers, analysts said, because paid family leave has been shown to help them stay employed.

golden age of benefits in quotation marks is certainly apt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

Not the PP who said it, but I worked at a law firm where an associate took paternity leave after his wife had a baby. He used that time to travel around for athletic events, never returned from paternity leave, and wasn't required to pay it back. I don't know if it's fraudulent, but he wasn't using the time to stay home and bond with his baby, which seems like the intent.

Makes no difference to the employer whether he’s spending time with the baby or traveling around. He had a qualifying life event and used the leave. Employer spends the same amount either way.

Some rogue example like this is a horrific reason contrary to public policy to end or limit paternity leave.

+1 Some ignorant posters should learn that the difference between anonymous anecdotes and data driven analysis of outcomes of parental leave policies. The outcome of healthier babies/kids and more productive parents is something that has been well-documented.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

No, you have the baby, but then give it up for adoption after the leave is over.

I adopted an infant for the parental leave, but then returned it when the leave was over. The baby wasn't a good fit for our family anyway, so I was glad to get rid of it. I got a dog instead.

You guys crack me up

+1 Did you return the baby at Whole Foods, the Staples dropoff point or UPS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

Corporations don't care. They follow the current administration and will do what they think is best to help themselves. If Project 2025 called for stoning women, they'd be all in.

This isn’t about politics. It’s about the labor market. The market for job seekers is bad, so employers don’t have to compete with these types of benefits to get employees. It’s why leave needs to be government-mandated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

No, you have the baby, but then give it up for adoption after the leave is over.

I adopted an infant for the parental leave, but then returned it when the leave was over. The baby wasn't a good fit for our family anyway, so I was glad to get rid of it. I got a dog instead.

You guys crack me up

+1 Did you return the baby at Whole Foods, the Staples dropoff point or UPS?

Be sure you order from a place that doesn’t require you to have kept the original packaging for the return.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

Corporations don't care. They follow the current administration and will do what they think is best to help themselves. If Project 2025 called for stoning women, they'd be all in.

This isn’t about politics. It’s about the labor market. The market for job seekers is bad, so employers don’t have to compete with these types of benefits to get employees. It’s why leave needs to be government-mandated.

How the labor market functions is inextricably linked with politics. You can't separate the two. I agree that parental leave should be mandated: a lot of Asia requires paid maternity leave of 14 weeks plus while Europe requires a minimum of 4 months per parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

Corporations don't care. They follow the current administration and will do what they think is best to help themselves. If Project 2025 called for stoning women, they'd be all in.

This isn’t about politics. It’s about the labor market. The market for job seekers is bad, so employers don’t have to compete with these types of benefits to get employees. It’s why leave needs to be government-mandated.

How the labor market functions is inextricably linked with politics. You can't separate the two. I agree that parental leave should be mandated: a lot of Asia requires paid maternity leave of 14 weeks plus while Europe requires a minimum of 4 months per parent.

Sorry, I should have said, “This isn’t a reflection of Project 2025 goals.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

Not the PP who said it, but I worked at a law firm where an associate took paternity leave after his wife had a baby. He used that time to travel around for athletic events, never returned from paternity leave, and wasn't required to pay it back. I don't know if it's fraudulent, but he wasn't using the time to stay home and bond with his baby, which seems like the intent.

Makes no difference to the employer whether he’s spending time with the baby or traveling around. He had a qualifying life event and used the leave. Employer spends the same amount either way.

Some rogue example like this is a horrific reason contrary to public policy to end or limit paternity leave.

NP. If you think that's an outlier case and paternity leave is still overall good policy, that's reasonable, but that guy was absolutely scamming the system, and since providing paternity leave is currently optional, yes the optics of stuff like that matters.

"Employer spends the same amount either way" is the point. Employer was willing to spend it to give the father time with to bond with his baby, not as free extra vacation leave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

Not the PP who said it, but I worked at a law firm where an associate took paternity leave after his wife had a baby. He used that time to travel around for athletic events, never returned from paternity leave, and wasn't required to pay it back. I don't know if it's fraudulent, but he wasn't using the time to stay home and bond with his baby, which seems like the intent.

Makes no difference to the employer whether he’s spending time with the baby or traveling around. He had a qualifying life event and used the leave. Employer spends the same amount either way.

Some rogue example like this is a horrific reason contrary to public policy to end or limit paternity leave.

NP. If you think that's an outlier case and paternity leave is still overall good policy, that's reasonable, but that guy was absolutely scamming the system, and since providing paternity leave is currently optional, yes the optics of stuff like that matters.

"Employer spends the same amount either way" is the point. Employer was willing to spend it to give the father time with to bond with his baby, not as free extra vacation leave.

The employer is welcome to impose conditions on employees receiving parental leave. My position is that’s it not necessary and will reduce morale. But if the employer wants to restrict leave recipients from traveling or taking vacations, they are free to do so.

I would guess less than <5% of people are using leave in that way. And the overall benefit of supporting parents vastly outweighs any small “abuse” of the program (if you even want to call it abuse).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

No, you have the baby, but then give it up for adoption after the leave is over.

I adopted an infant for the parental leave, but then returned it when the leave was over. The baby wasn't a good fit for our family anyway, so I was glad to get rid of it. I got a dog instead.

You guys crack me up

+1 Did you return the baby at Whole Foods, the Staples dropoff point or UPS?

Be sure you order from a place that doesn’t require you to have kept the original packaging for the return.

+1

I forgot to keep the placenta and could only return the baby for store credit. Lesson learned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

Not the PP who said it, but I worked at a law firm where an associate took paternity leave after his wife had a baby. He used that time to travel around for athletic events, never returned from paternity leave, and wasn't required to pay it back. I don't know if it's fraudulent, but he wasn't using the time to stay home and bond with his baby, which seems like the intent.

No. You don’t have to “stay home” during your leave. So ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

I don’t even understand what fraudulent parental leave is. You fake a baby?

Not the PP who said it, but I worked at a law firm where an associate took paternity leave after his wife had a baby. He used that time to travel around for athletic events, never returned from paternity leave, and wasn't required to pay it back. I don't know if it's fraudulent, but he wasn't using the time to stay home and bond with his baby, which seems like the intent.

Makes no difference to the employer whether he’s spending time with the baby or traveling around. He had a qualifying life event and used the leave. Employer spends the same amount either way.

Some rogue example like this is a horrific reason contrary to public policy to end or limit paternity leave.

+1 Some ignorant posters should learn that the difference between anonymous anecdotes and data driven analysis of outcomes of parental leave policies. The outcome of healthier babies/kids and more productive parents is something that has been well-documented.

+2 I've heard people argue against parental leave because they think costs are high, but arguing that people are using parental leave fraudulently is a whole new level of DCUM dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop using term parental leave. It is Maternity leave and in a woke period they gave it to men for no reason .

Which is ripe with fraud. Plus Big 4 has super huge amount of vacation I worked there I had six weeks vacation, plus 10 holidays. Then they added paternity leave which was crazy.

When I left Big 5 I has the max amount of vacation you could accrue. Six weeks was already too much time off to meet charability goals and client needs. Add in Paternity leave I would have lost all my clients in my name. And I had a sales goal.

Stfu grandpa

+1 Feel free to cite the research that shows that parents are using parental leave fraudulently. There's lots of research that shows that paid parental leave provides significant health, economic, and developmental benefits, including reduced infant mortality, increased breastfeeding duration, improved maternal mental health, and higher labor force participation over the long run for women.

someone was just on here talking about scheduling some vacations while out on family leave, while others pick up and cover their absence while recovering and bonding, so yes.

Why do you care if people schedule vacations? There’s no rule you have to sit home to bond with your baby. In fact while they’re little and immobile is the easiest time to travel. If mom, dad, and baby relax at the beach for a couple weeks good for them. I used my paid parental leave to take a trip with family. My parents got to meet the baby and I got to rest since they are helpful grandparents. DH didn’t get paid parental leave so it was just me going off for a couple weeks when our baby was 3 months old.