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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

PP give replied to that saying all kids in FCPS are doing Algebra by 8th and why the PP above is saying her kids are not considered advance. This is the floor in FCPS.

Standards are so damn low in this town is a fact.

Typo another poster gave reply….

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I also think a lot of administrators are on here trying to defend these pathetically low standards at dcps.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

Thank you for this informative response.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

Thank you for this informative response.

This is someone so stupid and ill informed that it makes me equally sad for you and angry.

Dcps doesn’t offer the advanced (and I would argue remedial) offerings that FCPS does. It seems like no dcps offers, for example, algebra 2 to 8th graders. Very few offer geometry to 8th graders. Very few even do tracking for 6th grade math (maybe deal?). The science curriculum in dc is a total joke.

You’re holding back an entire generation of students and your low expectations are pathetic and racist. I was really pro dcps until my kids were in the older grades and I could see the years of poor remedial curriculum holding back real promise. It makes me physically sick.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

A student taking Algebra 1 in 9th will be unable to reach AP cal by 12th. They cannot meet the college pathway which many have said here you should at least have taken AP Cal that is basically the career or technical pathway for math or replace with remedial for those on this board.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

A student taking Algebra 1 in 9th will be unable to reach AP cal by 12th. They cannot meet the college pathway which many have said here you should at least have taken AP Cal that is basically the career or technical pathway for math or replace with remedial for those on this board.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

Thank you for this informative response.

This is someone so stupid and ill informed that it makes me equally sad for you and angry.

Dcps doesn’t offer the advanced (and I would argue remedial) offerings that FCPS does. It seems like no dcps offers, for example, algebra 2 to 8th graders. Very few offer geometry to 8th graders. Very few even do tracking for 6th grade math (maybe deal?). The science curriculum in dc is a total joke.

You’re holding back an entire generation of students and your low expectations are pathetic and racist. I was really pro dcps until my kids were in the older grades and I could see the years of poor remedial curriculum holding back real promise. It makes me physically sick.

Citing the graduation requirements and mathematics course sequencing explicitly described on the FCPS website is ill-informed? Seems like you're just angry it doesn't fit your narrative.

https://www.fcps.edu/graduation-requirements-and-course-planning/first-time-ninth-2018-19

https://youtu.be/eudmoxcWaiY

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

A student taking Algebra 1 in 9th will be unable to reach AP cal by 12th. They cannot meet the college pathway which many have said here you should at least have taken AP Cal that is basically the career or technical pathway for math or replace with remedial for those on this board.

Algebra I > Geometry > Algebra II > AP Precalculus AB or AP Precalculus BC or AP Statistics

https://fcpscentral.my.canva.site/math-pathway-explorer

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

Thank you for this informative response.

This is someone so stupid and ill informed that it makes me equally sad for you and angry.

Dcps doesn’t offer the advanced (and I would argue remedial) offerings that FCPS does. It seems like no dcps offers, for example, algebra 2 to 8th graders. Very few offer geometry to 8th graders. Very few even do tracking for 6th grade math (maybe deal?). The science curriculum in dc is a total joke.

You’re holding back an entire generation of students and your low expectations are pathetic and racist. I was really pro dcps until my kids were in the older grades and I could see the years of poor remedial curriculum holding back real promise. It makes me physically sick.

The only middle schools that gets you to Algebra 2 in 8th grade is Basis and DCI.

Deal does not get there. Their highest is Geometry in 8th. They used to have Algebra 2 in 8th a few years ago, but I think it was like only 8 students. For a school this big in the wealthiest neighborhood in the city, this shows how poor the math teaching is in DCPS. Similar size schools in the burb have way many more kids. Anyway, the class was cut a few years ago.

So yes, it’s sad that DCPS is holding back lots of kids with potential. It’s basically closing the gap by lowering the top and not giving them tools and opportunities to excel. This starts much earlier than middle school of course.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

A student taking Algebra 1 in 9th will be unable to reach AP cal by 12th. They cannot meet the college pathway which many have said here you should at least have taken AP Cal that is basically the career or technical pathway for math or replace with remedial for those on this board.

People do it by taking math over the summer, doubling up, or taking a compressed math course that's basically two classes in a single year. Not ideal but not impossible.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

A student taking Algebra 1 in 9th will be unable to reach AP cal by 12th. They cannot meet the college pathway which many have said here you should at least have taken AP Cal that is basically the career or technical pathway for math or replace with remedial for those on this board.

Algebra I > Geometry > Algebra II > AP Precalculus AB or AP Precalculus BC or AP Statistics

https://fcpscentral.my.canva.site/math-pathway-explorer

Thanks for confirming that no, they won’t get to AP Cal. AP precal is just BS.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

A student taking Algebra 1 in 9th will be unable to reach AP cal by 12th. They cannot meet the college pathway which many have said here you should at least have taken AP Cal that is basically the career or technical pathway for math or replace with remedial for those on this board.

People do it by taking math over the summer, doubling up, or taking a compressed math course that's basically two classes in a single year. Not ideal but not impossible.

More poor planning. More bad decisions at the expense of kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

A student taking Algebra 1 in 9th will be unable to reach AP cal by 12th. They cannot meet the college pathway which many have said here you should at least have taken AP Cal that is basically the career or technical pathway for math or replace with remedial for those on this board.

Algebra I > Geometry > Algebra II > AP Precalculus AB or AP Precalculus BC or AP Statistics

https://fcpscentral.my.canva.site/math-pathway-explorer

Thanks for confirming that no, they won’t get to AP Cal. AP precal is just BS.

The FCPS College Pathway goal is to complete one AP course by graduation. It does not specify calculus.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand who decides what is grade level vs advanced vs remedial. People make these assertions about it but is there any sort.of policy document, statute, regulation, etc., that determines it? Or are people just stating their opinions and saying "actually" to make it sound authoritative?

Maybe remedial is another way of saying "lowest track."

It's helpful to see what the suburban districts are doing. Here is MCPS:

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/schools/high-schools/k-q/poolesvillehs/uploadedfiles/departments/math/mathpathways.pdf

you can see algebra in 9th is the lowest level offered.

FCPS also has all kids doing Algebra by 8th. so when a PP said this:

"But in DCPS that track is actually the high level track which gets you to Algebra 1 by 8th. The “regular” track in DCPS which gets you to precal in 12th is actual remedial."

It's because algebra in 9th grade is remedial by the standards of most public school jurisdictions.

But "remedial" doesn't mean lowest track. It means there's something that needs to be *remedied*. Like below grade, needs to catch up. That's different from being the lowest track, because being the lowest track at a particular school doesn't tell you whether it's below grade level.

And I am very skeptical that those jurisdictions have everyone actually doing Algebra that is truly high school level in 8th, even if they say that's their curriculum.

My sisters kids are in fcps and are truly doing high school level algebra in 7th and geometry in 8th. This is not even considered advanced by the way. However dc standards are such a joke of course you should be skeptical.

That's not the point. Nobody disputes that *some* of the kids in FCPS are doing very well in math. The point is what's the minimum level in FCPS-- the actual minimum, not what they *say* is the minimum.

To earn a standard diploma in FCPS you need 3 math credits. To earn an advanced studies diploma you need 4 math credits.

FCPS outlines three different pathways for math courses:
- Career Pathway: goal to complete Algebra II and one additional upper-level course
- College Pathway: goal to complete one AP course by graduation
- STEM College Pathway: goal to complete Calc BC AP by graduation

A student taking Algebra I freshman year is not remedial, as they could easily meet standard diploma course requirements on the Career or College pathway. Likewise, a student taking Algebra I in 8th grade could still be on the STEM College Pathway.

FCPS also says this: "Math pathways are about meaningful and relevant experiences, not a race to complete courses."

DC standards are not so different.

A student taking Algebra 1 in 9th will be unable to reach AP cal by 12th. They cannot meet the college pathway which many have said here you should at least have taken AP Cal that is basically the career or technical pathway for math or replace with remedial for those on this board.

Algebra I > Geometry > Algebra II > AP Precalculus AB or AP Precalculus BC or AP Statistics

https://fcpscentral.my.canva.site/math-pathway-explorer

Thanks for confirming that no, they won’t get to AP Cal. AP precal is just BS.

The FCPS College Pathway goal is to complete one AP course by graduation. It does not specify calculus.

No but that’s to make the low performers feel good.

It’s widely accepted that if you are college bound then you get to at least AP Cal by 12th. This is the minimum.

BTW there is no real AP precal because precal is not a college course. It’s just another recent money make for the AP board peoole and to make the remedial kids feel good that they are taking an “AP” course.