DCUM Vote: Greatest American of All Time

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Anonymous wrote:Lot's of great ones here, except Teddy Roosevelt and the bot troll from this morning.

I think for the finalists, in addition to Lincoln, FDR, MLK, Mr Rogers, Harriet Tubman, we could add Jane Addams and Eleanor Roosevelt. And maybe not overall but of our time, John Lewis.

I think Japanese internment & the continuation of Mexican repatriation which included 40-60 percent American citizens despite its less violent nature plus the choice to develop the nuclear bomb is too great a horrific mark on far's legacy. politicians are all dirty and nasty in oneway or other, his personal character also left a lot to be desired.

my vote: tubman, Frederick douglass, jane Addams, mr rogers.

FDR gets a lot of love for the CCC, government sponsored socialism.

I've been working on talking through stuff like this with my older kid. They talked about President's Day. We talked about how people are complicated and it's okay to talk about the good and bad people did. So Washington was a crucial figure in US History but also owned slaves (I'm not ready to dig into Jefferson with him yet).

My granddad absolutely loved FDR because his policies lifted my grandparents out of poverty post Great Depression. My great uncle was one of the Bonus Army demonstrators. But my best friend's grandmother and her family was interned during WWII for being part Japanese.

With respect to Washington and slaves, you are judging him by a modern set of morals. Yes, Washington did have personal concerns about owning slaves, but did not free them during his lifetime. In some cases, he wasn't legally allowed to free the slaves. However, what if he did? What awaited these slaves as free men in Virginia? They couldn't own land, and likely couldn't work either. Washington didn't have enough cash to send them up north either. Being largely uneducated, employment in the North would have been menial jobs. It was a practical solution to a difficult problem.

This is a b!!ch-a$$ take. Lots of abolitionists had been opposing the slave trade and slave ownership for hundreds of years already, many at great personal cost to life and fortune. You know what Washington could have done? He could have given them freaking land, that's what. He was rich as fck and could have afforded to do so.

Listen, I'm actually a very conservative, right-wing kind of person on many issues. But these ridiculous founding father slaveholding apologies are ridiculous. There is still billions of dollars of family wealth floating around the south in white plantation families as a result of their investing slave labor. Reparations could be made on a forensic accounting basis. We know where the wealth came from, and we know the enslaved ancestors who created it, in many cases.

It's easy to give away orher people's money. I don't think George has any surviving relatives with billions of dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:Lot's of great ones here, except Teddy Roosevelt and the bot troll from this morning.

I think for the finalists, in addition to Lincoln, FDR, MLK, Mr Rogers, Harriet Tubman, we could add Jane Addams and Eleanor Roosevelt. And maybe not overall but of our time, John Lewis.

I think Japanese internment & the continuation of Mexican repatriation which included 40-60 percent American citizens despite its less violent nature plus the choice to develop the nuclear bomb is too great a horrific mark on far's legacy. politicians are all dirty and nasty in oneway or other, his personal character also left a lot to be desired.

my vote: tubman, Frederick douglass, jane Addams, mr rogers.

FDR gets a lot of love for the CCC, government sponsored socialism.

I've been working on talking through stuff like this with my older kid. They talked about President's Day. We talked about how people are complicated and it's okay to talk about the good and bad people did. So Washington was a crucial figure in US History but also owned slaves (I'm not ready to dig into Jefferson with him yet).

My granddad absolutely loved FDR because his policies lifted my grandparents out of poverty post Great Depression. My great uncle was one of the Bonus Army demonstrators. But my best friend's grandmother and her family was interned during WWII for being part Japanese.

With respect to Washington and slaves, you are judging him by a modern set of morals. Yes, Washington did have personal concerns about owning slaves, but did not free them during his lifetime. In some cases, he wasn't legally allowed to free the slaves. However, what if he did? What awaited these slaves as free men in Virginia? They couldn't own land, and likely couldn't work either. Washington didn't have enough cash to send them up north either. Being largely uneducated, employment in the North would have been menial jobs. It was a practical solution to a difficult problem.

This is a b!!ch-a$$ take. Lots of abolitionists had been opposing the slave trade and slave ownership for hundreds of years already, many at great personal cost to life and fortune. You know what Washington could have done? He could have given them freaking land, that's what. He was rich as fck and could have afforded to do so.

Listen, I'm actually a very conservative, right-wing kind of person on many issues. But these ridiculous founding father slaveholding apologies are ridiculous. There is still billions of dollars of family wealth floating around the south in white plantation families as a result of their investing slave labor. Reparations could be made on a forensic accounting basis. We know where the wealth came from, and we know the enslaved ancestors who created it, in many cases.

It's easy to give away orher people's money. I don't think George has any surviving relatives with billions of dollars.

Apparently not. Slaveholding families still have it. Spend some time in a city like Mobile some time. If you rub shoulders with the upper middle class there you are often playing with slave money.

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Barack Obama

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Alexander Hamilton. Guy was a flat out baller.

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Bad Bunny

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Martin Luther King.

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Anonymous wrote:The.guy who's sometimes credited with saving around a billion lives is a guy named Norman Borlaugh. He was an American agricultural scientist who focused in breeding disease resistant higher yield wheat, then focused in bringing those strains to India and Pakistan. He won the Nobel Peace prize. He's credited with ending famines and preventing mass starvation.

The unsung heroes are the scientists.

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Madame Secretary Frances Perkins

Frances Perkins (1880–1965) was first woman to hold a cabinet position in US (served as US Secretary of Labor from 1933 to 1945. She trained as an economist and worked as sociologist and observed extremely harsh working conditions for the poor (such as children losing limbs while working heavy machinery). This spurred her on to be a fierce advocate for workers rights.

As a key architect of the New Deal, she championed Social Security, federal minimum wage, overtime pay, unemployment insurance, and the abolition of child labor.

Frances was a devout Episcopalian and is now honored as an Episcopal saint.

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Anonymous wrote:Lot's of great ones here, except Teddy Roosevelt and the bot troll from this morning.

I think for the finalists, in addition to Lincoln, FDR, MLK, Mr Rogers, Harriet Tubman, we could add Jane Addams and Eleanor Roosevelt. And maybe not overall but of our time, John Lewis.

I think Japanese internment & the continuation of Mexican repatriation which included 40-60 percent American citizens despite its less violent nature plus the choice to develop the nuclear bomb is too great a horrific mark on far's legacy. politicians are all dirty and nasty in oneway or other, his personal character also left a lot to be desired.

my vote: tubman, Frederick douglass, jane Addams, mr rogers.

FDR gets a lot of love for the CCC, government sponsored socialism.

I've been working on talking through stuff like this with my older kid. They talked about President's Day. We talked about how people are complicated and it's okay to talk about the good and bad people did. So Washington was a crucial figure in US History but also owned slaves (I'm not ready to dig into Jefferson with him yet).

My granddad absolutely loved FDR because his policies lifted my grandparents out of poverty post Great Depression. My great uncle was one of the Bonus Army demonstrators. But my best friend's grandmother and her family was interned during WWII for being part Japanese.

With respect to Washington and slaves, you are judging him by a modern set of morals. Yes, Washington did have personal concerns about owning slaves, but did not free them during his lifetime. In some cases, he wasn't legally allowed to free the slaves. However, what if he did? What awaited these slaves as free men in Virginia? They couldn't own land, and likely couldn't work either. Washington didn't have enough cash to send them up north either. Being largely uneducated, employment in the North would have been menial jobs. It was a practical solution to a difficult problem.

This is a b!!ch-a$$ take. Lots of abolitionists had been opposing the slave trade and slave ownership for hundreds of years already, many at great personal cost to life and fortune. You know what Washington could have done? He could have given them freaking land, that's what. He was rich as fck and could have afforded to do so.

Listen, I'm actually a very conservative, right-wing kind of person on many issues. But these ridiculous founding father slaveholding apologies are ridiculous. There is still billions of dollars of family wealth floating around the south in white plantation families as a result of their investing slave labor. Reparations could be made on a forensic accounting basis. We know where the wealth came from, and we know the enslaved ancestors who created it, in many cases.

It's easy to give away orher people's money. I don't think George has any surviving relatives with billions of dollars.

Apparently not. Slaveholding families still have it. Spend some time in a city like Mobile some time. If you rub shoulders with the upper middle class there you are often playing with slave money.

If your networth is in the billions, you are not upper middle class.

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Anonymous wrote:Lot's of great ones here, except Teddy Roosevelt and the bot troll from this morning.

I think for the finalists, in addition to Lincoln, FDR, MLK, Mr Rogers, Harriet Tubman, we could add Jane Addams and Eleanor Roosevelt. And maybe not overall but of our time, John Lewis.

I think Japanese internment & the continuation of Mexican repatriation which included 40-60 percent American citizens despite its less violent nature plus the choice to develop the nuclear bomb is too great a horrific mark on far's legacy. politicians are all dirty and nasty in oneway or other, his personal character also left a lot to be desired.

my vote: tubman, Frederick douglass, jane Addams, mr rogers.

FDR gets a lot of love for the CCC, government sponsored socialism.

I've been working on talking through stuff like this with my older kid. They talked about President's Day. We talked about how people are complicated and it's okay to talk about the good and bad people did. So Washington was a crucial figure in US History but also owned slaves (I'm not ready to dig into Jefferson with him yet).

My granddad absolutely loved FDR because his policies lifted my grandparents out of poverty post Great Depression. My great uncle was one of the Bonus Army demonstrators. But my best friend's grandmother and her family was interned during WWII for being part Japanese.

With respect to Washington and slaves, you are judging him by a modern set of morals. Yes, Washington did have personal concerns about owning slaves, but did not free them during his lifetime. In some cases, he wasn't legally allowed to free the slaves. However, what if he did? What awaited these slaves as free men in Virginia? They couldn't own land, and likely couldn't work either. Washington didn't have enough cash to send them up north either. Being largely uneducated, employment in the North would have been menial jobs. It was a practical solution to a difficult problem.

This is a b!!ch-a$$ take. Lots of abolitionists had been opposing the slave trade and slave ownership for hundreds of years already, many at great personal cost to life and fortune. You know what Washington could have done? He could have given them freaking land, that's what. He was rich as fck and could have afforded to do so.

Listen, I'm actually a very conservative, right-wing kind of person on many issues. But these ridiculous founding father slaveholding apologies are ridiculous. There is still billions of dollars of family wealth floating around the south in white plantation families as a result of their investing slave labor. Reparations could be made on a forensic accounting basis. We know where the wealth came from, and we know the enslaved ancestors who created it, in many cases.

It's easy to give away orher people's money. I don't think George has any surviving relatives with billions of dollars.

Washjngton specifically moved his slaves around every six months to avoid the gradual abolition act in Pennsylvania.

He also repeatedly personally tried to get back his escaped slave Ona Judge.

He spoke about knowing it was wrong but still enforced it personally and took steps to get around abolition laws. He wasn't as bad as Jefferson but he was also a hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m shocked at all the posters mentioning Mr. Rogers. He’s a tv character. You can’t remotely compare him to FDR, Harriet Tubman, and Lincoln. He also gave me the creeps. I wouldn’t be surprised if his name comes up in the Epstein files.

You should be ashamed of yourself. You don’t just cavalierly mention that someone could be in the Epstein files with no proof of that and hopefully you’re never in a position where someone spreads a rumor online about you, like you just did about someone else.

Regardless of whether he shows up in the files or not, he’s a creep. Sorry!

There's absolutely nothing to justify calling Mr. Rogers a creep. It's weird you'd make such baseless claims.

The accusation proves that we need to have an investigation. There wouldn't be accusations unless there was something there.

Believe all women.

not all women. Ask the duke lacrosse team.

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American scientists who helped end the AIDS epidemic:

“Dr. Anthony Fauci is primarily credited with leading the U.S. scientific response to the AIDS crisis. As director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), he drove development of antiretroviral therapies and led the creation of PEPFAR, which has saved millions of lives.

Key contributors and developments in ending the AIDS crisis include:

Dr. Anthony Fauci: Led research into HIV immunology, developed treatment strategies, and advocated for faster drug approval.

Dr. Robert Gallo: Co-discovered HIV as the cause of AIDS in 1984.

Dr. Luc Montagnier: Identified the virus in 1983.

Antiretroviral Therapy (ART): The 1996 discovery of effective multi-drug therapies changed HIV from a death sentence to a manageable condition.
Dr. C. Everett Koop: As U.S. Surgeon General, he issued the 1986 report urging sex education and condom use. “

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Anonymous wrote:The.guy who's sometimes credited with saving around a billion lives is a guy named Norman Borlaugh. He was an American agricultural scientist who focused in breeding disease resistant higher yield wheat, then focused in bringing those strains to India and Pakistan. He won the Nobel Peace prize. He's credited with ending famines and preventing mass starvation.

I was at Texas A&M while Borlaug was there and I always wanted to meet him. Alas, we never crossed paths. But yeah, he did great, important work.

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My Dog.

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Who knows. History is pretty much fake.