DCUM Vote: Greatest American of All Time

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Muhammed Ali

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Lot's of great ones here, except Teddy Roosevelt and the bot troll from this morning.

I think for the finalists, in addition to Lincoln, FDR, MLK, Mr Rogers, Harriet Tubman, we could add Jane Addams and Eleanor Roosevelt. And maybe not overall but of our time, John Lewis.

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Lincoln

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James Madison, the Father of the Constitution.

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All the Native American warriors who bravely fought a losing battle to save their people and their land from the encroachers.

It didn't work. They were mercilessly exterminated. The remnant people who survived were packed off to the least hospitable land in the country. They gave their lives trying to protect their people and their way of life.

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Anonymous wrote:Lincoln gets way too much credit. He happened to be the President at a time when inevitable change was happening. He arguably caused the war itself, or made it more costly. The emancipation proclamation was a military tactic. Slavery was going to end regardless.

Harriet Tubman is the better answer here.

There's always someone who wants to make this argument but it's hard to justify. If you spend enough time reading Lincoln's speeches, the run up to the Civil War, the aftermath, it's hard to see another person at the time who could have done what Lincoln did. The war was horrendous but it was not started by Lincoln, it was started by Lincoln's staunch no more spread of slavery position that caused the South to abandon all pretenses at principals along with irrational paranoia. The argument that slavery was going to die out anyway is laughable to anyone aware of the mood and beliefs of 1860, which followed several decades of widespread spread of slavery and the slave based cotton economy. Slavery in 1860 would have seemed more permanent than in 1810. The moral values espoused by Lincoln were at the heart of what America was supposed to mean, more than just a political state. His argument won, and the US we have today is because of it.

Lincoln also showed a remarkable growth during the war years in his attitude towards not just slavery but racial issues. His deep conviction in the core promise of the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equally, no exceptions, no carve outs, is what triumphed, and that is why he remains the greatest American.

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I’m shocked at all the posters mentioning Mr. Rogers. He’s a tv character. You can’t remotely compare him to FDR, Harriet Tubman, and Lincoln. He also gave me the creeps. I wouldn’t be surprised if his name comes up in the Epstein files.

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Anonymous wrote:Lincoln gets way too much credit. He happened to be the President at a time when inevitable change was happening. He arguably caused the war itself, or made it more costly. The emancipation proclamation was a military tactic. Slavery was going to end regardless.

Harriet Tubman is the better answer here.

There's always someone who wants to make this argument but it's hard to justify. If you spend enough time reading Lincoln's speeches, the run up to the Civil War, the aftermath, it's hard to see another person at the time who could have done what Lincoln did. The war was horrendous but it was not started by Lincoln, it was started by Lincoln's staunch no more spread of slavery position that caused the South to abandon all pretenses at principals along with irrational paranoia. The argument that slavery was going to die out anyway is laughable to anyone aware of the mood and beliefs of 1860, which followed several decades of widespread spread of slavery and the slave based cotton economy. Slavery in 1860 would have seemed more permanent than in 1810. The moral values espoused by Lincoln were at the heart of what America was supposed to mean, more than just a political state. His argument won, and the US we have today is because of it.

Lincoln also showed a remarkable growth during the war years in his attitude towards not just slavery but racial issues. His deep conviction in the core promise of the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equally, no exceptions, no carve outs, is what triumphed, and that is why he remains the greatest American.

It's a tangent but industrialization would have greatly reduced the number of slaves needed for relatively un- or low-skilled field work. At that point, chattel slavery would likely have evolved into migrant workers or share croppers.

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Lincoln at great personal cost.

Huang, Thiel, Brin, Elon….people living the American dream and opportunity while creating transformative tech also great to see.

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Anonymous wrote:Lincoln gets way too much credit. He happened to be the President at a time when inevitable change was happening. He arguably caused the war itself, or made it more costly. The emancipation proclamation was a military tactic. Slavery was going to end regardless.

Harriet Tubman is the better answer here.

There's always someone who wants to make this argument but it's hard to justify. If you spend enough time reading Lincoln's speeches, the run up to the Civil War, the aftermath, it's hard to see another person at the time who could have done what Lincoln did. The war was horrendous but it was not started by Lincoln, it was started by Lincoln's staunch no more spread of slavery position that caused the South to abandon all pretenses at principals along with irrational paranoia. The argument that slavery was going to die out anyway is laughable to anyone aware of the mood and beliefs of 1860, which followed several decades of widespread spread of slavery and the slave based cotton economy. Slavery in 1860 would have seemed more permanent than in 1810. The moral values espoused by Lincoln were at the heart of what America was supposed to mean, more than just a political state. His argument won, and the US we have today is because of it.

Lincoln also showed a remarkable growth during the war years in his attitude towards not just slavery but racial issues. His deep conviction in the core promise of the Declaration of Independence that all men are created equally, no exceptions, no carve outs, is what triumphed, and that is why he remains the greatest American.

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You mean Jeff? As in, one of the nominees on page 1 of this thread?

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Not FDR. FDR signed the executive order that allowed for the forced relocation and internment of over 100,000 Japanese-Americans, most of whom were US Citizens.